Really dude? If I devoted my life to charity, kindness, forgiveness, and selflessness (I am planning on starting a lot more community service this fall) I'm still gonna be chilling with hitler because I'm agnostic?Thebobmaster said:I can't quote the exact verse, but I do believe that certain parts of the Bible state you have to both live well and accept Jesus. Neither one nor the other is enough.
GTA is officially the non-gamers response to almost anything. Games with guns, games with driving, games in big cities, games with swearing, they're all Grand Theft AutoDoc Theta Sigma said:I love how the news anchor immediately jumped to Grand Theft Auto when the officer mentioned he'd been grounded from a video game.
"We understand his father had recently grounded him from one of his video games which involves operating vehicles"
"Oh like Grand Theft Auto?"
You know, there is no call to be so self-righteous. I was just trying to explain that just as being good but not believing in Jesus won't get you into heaven, neither will believing in Jesus, but still being an immoral jackass. Maybe you are happy being an atheist. I'm happy being a Christian. Do you really need to say something like 'you are wrong, you will not exist after you die' because our beliefs differ?Lullabye said:did you not just write that being good doesnt count for jack shit? i hate christianity because besides being a huge load, it is often hypocritical.thebobmaster said:I can't quote the exact verse, but I do believe that certain parts of the Bible state you have to both live well and accept Jesus. Neither one nor the other is enough.Nmil-ek said:So all it requires is for one to accept jesus before your final hours you say? Well what if I have lived my life as an absolute asshole a deterent to everyone and everything is it just that I would be pardoned over say a man who has worked for charity all his life, donated blood, bone marrow, worked in third world countires to aid the poor etc, but never accepted Jesus would he be spared? Does not seem like a very good moal standpoint to me.lacktheknack said:Correction: People who believe Jesus is the Saviour go to heaven. Good deeds don't cut it. If anything, The real way is easier.MasterSqueak said:Pretty good answer.lacktheknack said:Well, that would probably require a whole book worth of ideas I've picked over my entire life, but lets shorten it to say that if Christianity is true (which I fully believe), then you should definitely immerse yourself with messages from someone whose spent his life learning about the Bible to get yourself ready for eternity.MasterSqueak said:Please explain your reasoning.lacktheknack said:I view them as equally important. If school is more important, it's only slightly.MasterSqueak said:School is more important than church.lacktheknack said:Really depressing seeing all the church slamming, even more depressing then the knee-jerk GTA reference. Replace "chrch" with "school" to get a reference to how this should probably be viewed.
Anyhow, it's still amazing how well that kid can drive. He beats me any day.
No one said being a Christian is easy.
My turn:
I'm not well versed in religious matters, but what I understand is that Christians believe that good people go to heaven.
What I understand is that heaven is a nice place where you get to relax and stuff as a reward for being good.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on that by the way.
If I'm right: why would you need to get ready for that? Wouldn't it make more sense to learn about this world in order to live longer in it and make it better?
And if you don't immerse yourself in these teachings, and are regularly pounded by popular culture saying "religion is evil/sadistic/stupid/despicable" (at root, it is none of these things), then you are going to stop believing that Jesus is the saviour. Hence, you don't go to heaven.
It confuses me why there aren't more Christians, if not other religious people, when one's ticket to heaven is really quite easy to get.
EDIT: I just realized how much I've derailed this thread.
this is what happens when you die.
you cease to exist.
you cannont exist as the same conscious being in a metaphysical state. not possible before you ask, yes i do know, no i cant prove it...now...but if you study life, consciousness and physics, then you start to see what crap religion is. there is no happy afterlife. there is only nothing, and not even that. deal with it.( just because being christian is hard doesnt make it right, fyi...)
yeah its doing that to me too on internet explorer, so i switched to google chrome.MasterSqueak said:http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14827435&ch=4226713&src=news
It it should be noted that on one of those little info popups it said that he learned to drive from videogames.
I...I'm not sure what to think about this. Although one thing disturbed me.
He hated church enough to hijack his dads car, yet they would bring him anyway?
PS: I'm having a glitch where if I try to read a topic I get a popup that says "failed to open page, aborting".
i dont care what makes you happy. killing makes people happy. should i respect that to? and you are spouting religulous crap that no one but other christians want to hear. also, do you remember what you were like before conception? no? thats because you didnt exist. death is the same. you are wrong. its not a belief, its a fact. but im trying to explain this to a religious person so why am i even bothering. damn agnostics....thebobmaster said:You know, there is no call to be so self-righteous. I was just trying to explain that just as being good but not believing in Jesus won't get you into heaven, neither will believing in Jesus, but still being an immoral jackass. Maybe you are happy being an atheist. I'm happy being a Christian. Do you really need to say something like 'you are wrong, you will not exist after you die' because our beliefs differ?Lullabye said:did you not just write that being good doesnt count for jack shit? i hate christianity because besides being a huge load, it is often hypocritical.thebobmaster said:I can't quote the exact verse, but I do believe that certain parts of the Bible state you have to both live well and accept Jesus. Neither one nor the other is enough.Nmil-ek said:So all it requires is for one to accept jesus before your final hours you say? Well what if I have lived my life as an absolute asshole a deterent to everyone and everything is it just that I would be pardoned over say a man who has worked for charity all his life, donated blood, bone marrow, worked in third world countires to aid the poor etc, but never accepted Jesus would he be spared? Does not seem like a very good moal standpoint to me.lacktheknack said:Correction: People who believe Jesus is the Saviour go to heaven. Good deeds don't cut it. If anything, The real way is easier.MasterSqueak said:Pretty good answer.lacktheknack said:Well, that would probably require a whole book worth of ideas I've picked over my entire life, but lets shorten it to say that if Christianity is true (which I fully believe), then you should definitely immerse yourself with messages from someone whose spent his life learning about the Bible to get yourself ready for eternity.MasterSqueak said:Please explain your reasoning.lacktheknack said:I view them as equally important. If school is more important, it's only slightly.MasterSqueak said:School is more important than church.lacktheknack said:Really depressing seeing all the church slamming, even more depressing then the knee-jerk GTA reference. Replace "chrch" with "school" to get a reference to how this should probably be viewed.
Anyhow, it's still amazing how well that kid can drive. He beats me any day.
No one said being a Christian is easy.
My turn:
I'm not well versed in religious matters, but what I understand is that Christians believe that good people go to heaven.
What I understand is that heaven is a nice place where you get to relax and stuff as a reward for being good.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on that by the way.
If I'm right: why would you need to get ready for that? Wouldn't it make more sense to learn about this world in order to live longer in it and make it better?
And if you don't immerse yourself in these teachings, and are regularly pounded by popular culture saying "religion is evil/sadistic/stupid/despicable" (at root, it is none of these things), then you are going to stop believing that Jesus is the saviour. Hence, you don't go to heaven.
It confuses me why there aren't more Christians, if not other religious people, when one's ticket to heaven is really quite easy to get.
EDIT: I just realized how much I've derailed this thread.
this is what happens when you die.
you cease to exist.
you cannont exist as the same conscious being in a metaphysical state. not possible before you ask, yes i do know, no i cant prove it...now...but if you study life, consciousness and physics, then you start to see what crap religion is. there is no happy afterlife. there is only nothing, and not even that. deal with it.( just because being christian is hard doesnt make it right, fyi...)
thebobmaster said:You know, there is no call to be so self-righteous. I was just trying to explain that just as being good but not believing in Jesus won't get you into heaven, neither will believing in Jesus, but still being an immoral jackass. Maybe you are happy being an atheist. I'm happy being a Christian. Do you really need to say something like 'you are wrong, you will not exist after you die' because our beliefs differ?Lullabye said:did you not just write that being good doesnt count for jack shit? i hate christianity because besides being a huge load, it is often hypocritical.thebobmaster said:I can't quote the exact verse, but I do believe that certain parts of the Bible state you have to both live well and accept Jesus. Neither one nor the other is enough.Nmil-ek said:So all it requires is for one to accept jesus before your final hours you say? Well what if I have lived my life as an absolute asshole a deterent to everyone and everything is it just that I would be pardoned over say a man who has worked for charity all his life, donated blood, bone marrow, worked in third world countires to aid the poor etc, but never accepted Jesus would he be spared? Does not seem like a very good moal standpoint to me.lacktheknack said:Correction: People who believe Jesus is the Saviour go to heaven. Good deeds don't cut it. If anything, The real way is easier.MasterSqueak said:Pretty good answer.lacktheknack said:Well, that would probably require a whole book worth of ideas I've picked over my entire life, but lets shorten it to say that if Christianity is true (which I fully believe), then you should definitely immerse yourself with messages from someone whose spent his life learning about the Bible to get yourself ready for eternity.MasterSqueak said:Please explain your reasoning.lacktheknack said:I view them as equally important. If school is more important, it's only slightly.MasterSqueak said:School is more important than church.lacktheknack said:Really depressing seeing all the church slamming, even more depressing then the knee-jerk GTA reference. Replace "chrch" with "school" to get a reference to how this should probably be viewed.
Anyhow, it's still amazing how well that kid can drive. He beats me any day.
No one said being a Christian is easy.
My turn:
I'm not well versed in religious matters, but what I understand is that Christians believe that good people go to heaven.
What I understand is that heaven is a nice place where you get to relax and stuff as a reward for being good.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on that by the way.
If I'm right: why would you need to get ready for that? Wouldn't it make more sense to learn about this world in order to live longer in it and make it better?
And if you don't immerse yourself in these teachings, and are regularly pounded by popular culture saying "religion is evil/sadistic/stupid/despicable" (at root, it is none of these things), then you are going to stop believing that Jesus is the saviour. Hence, you don't go to heaven.
It confuses me why there aren't more Christians, if not other religious people, when one's ticket to heaven is really quite easy to get.
EDIT: I just realized how much I've derailed this thread.
this is what happens when you die.
you cease to exist.
you cannont exist as the same conscious being in a metaphysical state. not possible before you ask, yes i do know, no i cant prove it...now...but if you study life, consciousness and physics, then you start to see what crap religion is. there is no happy afterlife. there is only nothing, and not even that. deal with it.( just because being christian is hard doesnt make it right, fyi...)
Damn straight I quit going to church once I realized what was being said. I refuse to believe that all the shit we are put through in life is just some big exam to be accepted into some shitty higher place. I graduated damn it, the only test I take now is a sobriety one.asinann said:Church=brainwashing. That's why parents force their impressionable children to go. Get them early. Once it has become habit they generally just keep going whether they believe or not.MasterSqueak said:http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14827435&ch=4226713&src=news
It it should be noted that on one of those little info popups it said that he learned to drive from videogames.
I...I'm not sure what to think about this. Although one thing disturbed me.
He hated church enough to hijack his dads car, yet they would bring him anyway?
PS: I'm having a glitch where if I try to read a topic I get a popup that says "failed to open page, aborting".
I've got a friend that's like this, doesn't believe but attends mass each and every Sunday out of habit.
Again, its Mormon church there aren't any priests. Just terrible, brainwashing, fail.Khada said:maybe he got tired of the priests using him as a sausage wallet.
AUTO is in the title..he stole the car. Hmm. Not hard to put the game and the act together....Kiutu said:She says GTA. I want to slap her. I honestly screamed out obscenities when she said that.
A common news media tactic, I like the Onion's parody of such sensationalism, they use the case of a missing girl to repeatedly speculate (with no evidence or real information) that some grisly fate has befallen her.Blitzkrieg64 said:Weird, on the news they talked about this but where I am they didn't say anything about video games. But seriously they didn't have to drag games into it to be interesting.