8 Year Old boy Kills Small Dog... With a BBQ Fork...

[dududf]

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There's a difference between a pet and foodstock. If a family kept a pig as a pet (there are people who do), and a kid killed it, I'd be just as pissed.

Please explain the difference to me then, because I sure have a hard time understanding (no sarcams intended).

One is loved, and held highly by.

I don't exactly care all that much about a cow, but if I got to know it things would change. It's the fact that a pet is filled with love from the owners, at that point it's not food, it's family. Killing that dog would have been similar to killing their child.

We're a kinda funny race of creatures.

*Edit

To go with your edit, I'd be distraught a bit if I found out that people eat dogs, as I'd think of people eating my dog. However that's only because I have a dog that I love as much as family and I fret about possible dangers to the dog. The food and family would change person to person of course.

 

[Enkidu88]

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There's a difference between a pet and foodstock. If a family kept a pig as a pet (there are people who do), and a kid killed it, I'd be just as pissed.

Please explain the difference to me then, because I sure have a hard time understanding (no sarcams intended).

It's all about the emotional commitment a person has in the animal. If you don't like animals than it would be sort of hard to understand but there is a big difference between killing animals for food (like beef cows) and then beating small dogs to death for kicks.

OT: Being 8 is no excuse for killing the dog. If it had been an accident, like he squeezed too hard or accidentally dropped something on it, sure shit happens. Actually sneaking out in the dark and killing the animal slowly speaks of deep psychological issues. The fact that he snuck out at night speaks to premeditation also, not just some impulse. Like many others have said, serial killers seem to display this sort of behavior more often than others. Doesn't mean he necessarily will become one, but he should definitely get some therapy.

 

[Breadzombie]

He should have mandatory therapy. Contrary to popular belief, eight year olds know what they're doing before they do it. They don't wander through life in a vegetative state. This kid knew that he was murdering something painfully, and enjoyed doing it. He will most likely kill people later if he isn't helped.

The human brain developes till the age of 21.The last part that is fully formed is the one for understanding the cause and consequence link ( I dunno how to say it in English, sorry).

Also , I get the feeling that a lot of people just read the first and the last post and ignore the rest :/

 

[Biffy Cakeo]

Put a leash on him. Make him live like the dog for about a year.

 

[Asturiel]

I'll say this, that child needs to go see a therapist to figure out whats wrong with the guy, seriously this kid sounds downright psychotic.

If I knew this kid he probably wouldn't be able to count to 8 by the time I was done with him. I don't think I'm really joking right now...

 

[JanatUrlich]

I think that it's a dog so I don't really care.

So, are you going to reply to any of the people that have quoted you, or have you realised how moronic your post was and are now in hiding? If you meant what you typed then your moral compass is so fucked up, I'm amazed you could even find your keyboard!


On topic, the kid needs a serious talking to. And violence towards him will do nothing, so just take away all his toys for a bit, and when you eventually give them back to him, make sure there's a BBQ fork well and truly stabbed through each and every item.

Also, take him door to door, to every house in the neighbourhood and make him admit his crime to everyone and then apologise for it.

...but it's a dog! I killed shit when I was 8 too! Sure it's cruel, but it's a fucking dog man. I don't give a shit about dogs. Not that I'd purposefully go out and stab one, but I'm not gonna get all upset over a fucking dog when there's a load of shit happening to humans in the world.

I'm on of those assholes who gets pissed off at animal charities. We need to get our fucking priorities straight and I'm soooo sorry if you think that's moronic.

Morals are subjective so get off your high horse please.

 

[Maverick Siragusa]

i think the dog must have revenge on the little asshole even know hes dead

 

[Marsell]

This kid need to be locked up.
If he is doing stuff like this at 8, I do not want to be around when he's 30 and working in a slaughterhouse.

 

[Virus0015]

if you are so against the killing of animals, why still eat meat?
It's funny how there seems to be a thin line between cows on your plate and saying: "Yeah, that is why they are bred for." And an domestic animal that is too cute to harm.
Don't get me wrong here, I am against any form of animal cruelty but I just want to know what you guys think of it.

As has been mentioned before there is a difference, it's about if the suffering inflicted was necessary. Take for example the farming of caged chickens, this is unnecessary cruelty because the alternative of free range exists, it's just that most people choose to regard economy over animal welfare, or are ignorant morons which is unnervingly often the case. The same goes for intensive farming of cattle and so on.

As for the bred for food versus pets argument, as omnivorous animals we eat meat, it's just a fact of life. An animal bred for meet is killed for a purpose, and ideally without suffering. Killing a pet and not using it for a productive means is wrong, as is causing unnecessary suffering in the process (i.e. beating it with a fork).

Hope this clears things up. As for my views: I am a meat eater, will only eat meat that is free range etc. that has had the best possible life practical. I am against animal testing, for the simple reason that there are alternative methods, the number of animals used is unacceptable. The torture inflicted is not at all dissimilar to Japanese experiments on POWs during WW2, yet many do not accept the reality that test subjects face.

 

[antipunt]

Eh...OK. Right...

This may seem cold, but I'm a believer of genetic/determinism. This guy's got 'killer' genes in 'em

 

[Jagers1994]

Lets just stab the little fucker with a bbq fork in return

 

[Billion Backs]

Snip

*Smacks with cooking spoon*

Ow.

Newfoundland should be carpet bombed from the air as a result of this tragedy.

I know, right! Finally a reasonable person in this entire thread.

C'mon guys. You're no better (in fact, I'd argue much, much worse) than that dude who said, "It's just a dog".

I was being sarcastic. So was the guy I quoted... I hope.

 

[Denamic]

I wish he had tried that on my dog.
He'd get what he deserves.

 

[Jack_Uzi]

I think that it's a dog so I don't really care.

So, are you going to reply to any of the people that have quoted you, or have you realised how moronic your post was and are now in hiding? If you meant what you typed then your moral compass is so fucked up, I'm amazed you could even find your keyboard!


On topic, the kid needs a serious talking to. And violence towards him will do nothing, so just take away all his toys for a bit, and when you eventually give them back to him, make sure there's a BBQ fork well and truly stabbed through each and every item.

Also, take him door to door, to every house in the neighbourhood and make him admit his crime to everyone and then apologise for it.

...but it's a dog! I killed shit when I was 8 too! Sure it's cruel, but it's a fucking dog man. I don't give a shit about dogs. Not that I'd purposefully go out and stab one, but I'm not gonna get all upset over a fucking dog when there's a load of shit happening to humans in the world.

I'm on of those assholes who gets pissed off at animal charities. We need to get our fucking priorities straight and I'm soooo sorry if you think that's moronic.


That's all that Gandhi had to say for things like this (Probably expected this in a forum sooner or later )

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

can be judged by the ways its animals are treated

~ Mahatma Gandhi'

*Edit... sorry for the f*ck up peeps.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

He should have mandatory therapy. Contrary to popular belief, eight year olds know what they're doing before they do it. They don't wander through life in a vegetative state. This kid knew that he was murdering something painfully, and enjoyed doing it. He will most likely kill people later if he isn't helped.

The human brain developes till the age of 21.The last part that is fully formed is the one for understanding the cause and consequence link ( I dunno how to say it in English, sorry).

Also , I get the feeling that a lot of people just read the first and the last post and ignore the rest :/

I try to read as much of a thread as I can, but I do admit that I usually get a bit impatient and post after reading through the first page of any given thread.

It is true that young children don't have the same sense of consequence that adults do, but I have a nephew who turned nine a few months ago, and he has a very developed sense of consequence (and therefore a developed sense of dishonesty). Even my niece who isn't three yet understands some idea of consequence.

 

[JanatUrlich]

That's all that Gandhi had to say for things like this (Probably expected this in a forum sooner or later )

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

can be judged by the ways its animals are treated

~ Mahatma Gandhi'

LOL that's the most retarded thing I've ever read! Fuck moral progress!

 

[TheKnotAlchemist]

I really don't see what the big deal is all about.

It happens all the time.We'll not exactly like that, but children tend to kill small animals A LOT.After all they are children what the fuck do they know about the value of a life.

Just like we shouldn't really care if anyone is kidnapped or murdered. I mean, it happens all the time, right? So, if someone you cared about was murdered, we really shouldn't care...because...it happens all the time. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Really, though. What kind of message does that send out? Should we really be that desensitized?

 

[Breadzombie]

I think that it's a dog so I don't really care.

So, are you going to reply to any of the people that have quoted you, or have you realised how moronic your post was and are now in hiding? If you meant what you typed then your moral compass is so fucked up, I'm amazed you could even find your keyboard!


On topic, the kid needs a serious talking to. And violence towards him will do nothing, so just take away all his toys for a bit, and when you eventually give them back to him, make sure there's a BBQ fork well and truly stabbed through each and every item.

Also, take him door to door, to every house in the neighbourhood and make him admit his crime to everyone and then apologise for it.

...but it's a dog! I killed shit when I was 8 too! Sure it's cruel, but it's a fucking dog man. I don't give a shit about dogs. Not that I'd purposefully go out and stab one, but I'm not gonna get all upset over a fucking dog when there's a load of shit happening to humans in the world.

I'm on of those assholes who gets pissed off at animal charities. We need to get our fucking priorities straight and I'm soooo sorry if you think that's moronic.

Morals are subjective so get off your high horse please.

I'm actually really surprised that most people think that ruining the future of the kid or even killing/torturing him is something that SHOULD be done, but find your lack of care shocking. Ironicly the most level headed person here is the one that tortured animals as a child.

Edit:

That's all that Gandhi had to say for things like this (Probably expected this in a forum sooner or later )

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

can be judged by the ways its animals are treated

~ Mahatma Gandhi'

LOL that's the most retarded thing I've ever read! Fuck moral progress!

There goes the level headed part

 

[Serioli]

Reminds me a bit of a biology class I was in. Some kid braged about blowing up frogs and my teacher just went berserk about what those kinds of kids could do in later years. Although the question I am now wondering about: Is it good just to kill a frog because you need it to pass an exam and not kill it by blowing it up? Don't want to be preachy here, but if you are so against the killing of animals, why still eat meat?
It's funny how there seems to be a thin line between cows on your plate and saying: "Yeah, that is why they are bred for." And an domestic animal that is too cute to harm.
Don't get me wrong here, I am against any form of animal cruelty but I just want to know what you guys think of it.

Ninja'd for start of veggie flame war.

Difference between meat animals and pet animals is what Prof Gary Francione calls our 'moral schizophrenia'. Wish I could see the explanation to the kid...
'You see little Johnny killing a,b & c is okay but killing x,y & z is not okay'
Kid: 'Um....?'

 

[Jack_Uzi]

That's all that Gandhi had to say for things like this (Probably expected this in a forum sooner or later )

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

can be judged by the ways its animals are treated

~ Mahatma Gandhi'

LOL that's the most retarded thing I've ever read! Fuck moral progress!

Then you probably need to read your own post, see above if you don't get my drift, better.