A question for you PC exclusive gamers.

[Assassin Xaero]

Edit. Just thought I would list a few exclusives just as a small reminder, God of war 3, MGS4, Modnation racers and heavy rain

They way I see it:
God of War 3 would be weird with a keyboard/mouse.
MGS4 would probably be better.
Modnation, racing game, awkward with keyboard/mouse.
Heavy Rain, I doubt the controls would be better, but mods could probably fix it.

I'm not really a PC exclusive gamer (about 66% of my games are on PC, and I do already own a PS3), but it isn't just the keyboard and mouse. Online play has more options (mods, better servers), the graphics are better, and I don't have to switch the disc out for every game.

Considering Keyboard/Mouse has been available on the Xbox 360 (and the PS3, I think?).

Actually, I have a PS2 game that you can use keyboard/mouse on without having to buy some addon thing. Just plug them in and play.

 

[Ralen-Sharr]

If I was on the border, that would certainly get me into it, assuming you could use the M+K for all games.

But if I was going to get a console, the one offering M+K would be the one I chose.

 

[HK_01]

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

I hear you say mouse and keyboard is the bestest thing ever for FPS (or even any game) so would being able to play in your preferred control system on PS3 exclusives persuade you to buy one?

(I don't know how you hide the url into a word or sentence. Sorry if this has been brought up before)

Edit. Just thought I would list a few exclusives just as a small reminder, God of war 3, MGS4, Modnation racers and heavy rain

No, it wouldn't. Keyboard and mouse are not the only things that make me prefer the PC over other platforms. There are mods, better graphics, strategy games, etc.

 

[omega 616]

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

I hear you say mouse and keyboard is the bestest thing ever for FPS (or even any game) so would being able to play in your preferred control system on PS3 exclusives persuade you to buy one?

(I don't know how you hide the url into a word or sentence. Sorry if this has been brought up before)

Edit. Just thought I would list a few exclusives just as a small reminder, God of war 3, MGS4, Modnation racers and heavy rain

PS3 doesn't have a lot of the games I would like. The only reason I would get a PS3 is if they made a new Crash Bandicoot, Twisted Metal Game, or Spyro game that were made by the old developers. Old School Spyro and Crash have no equals.

I am not sure if you have your nostalgia glasses on but I think Spyro and Crash were a bit pants from the start, besides having the deceiving ability to look like a kids game but be quite hard there was nothing special. Although it does seem I am alone on this one.

 

[Treblaine]

snip

As you so polity put it *facepalm*

Did you read the op at all? I never claimed to understand PC gaming, this thread isn't really about PC gaming, it's about "would this product help convince you to buy a PS3?".

I am not saying the PS3 is better or that the only upside to the PC is the mouse and keyboard, all it is about is if you were considering splashing the cash on a PS3 but there was just something that wouldn't let you, would this be the deciding factor?

It seems the answer is no, launching off into a long post is a little bit of an over reaction.

At least read my post, I said YES(!) that PC gamers should consider getting a PS3, but NOT because of this device.

You admit you don't know about PC gaming, so why are you getting huffy that I am now telling you about it. You can't say NOW this isn't a thread about PC gaming, you called this thread : "A Question for PC gamers" and directly compared this peripheral with PC gaming.

The only mouse support I am interested for PS3 is TRUE mouse support, as in directly plug the mouse and keyboard into the USB ports and have the game designers code for that input. This costs more for an already quite expensive console with limited value compared to PC gaming.

PS3 is worth getting because it is a neat media centre for blu-ray and a scheduled TV recorder and has a few worth while games. I mean if a PC gamer were to get any console: it would be the PS3 as it is closest to PC standard and offers the most that PC can't do or would struggle with.

PS3 just really struggles to compete with the PC lineup for this year alone (my wish list):

Metro 2033
Bioshock 2
Mass Effect 2
Supreme Commander 2
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Assassin's Creed 2
Just Cause 2
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Blur
Split Second: velocity
Darksiders
APB
Starcraft II
Kane & Lynch 2
Dead Rising 2
New Medal Of Honor
Brink
Fallout: New Vegas
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Fable 3
(maybe Red Dead Redemption?)

Yes, some of those are on PS3 but you'd be a fool to choose them on PS3 over PC.
I am in a bit of a dilemma myself as I have no idea where I will find enough TIME to play all these games. I always find it hard to buy console games as so often they end up costing 50% more to twice as much as the PC release and I know they will be lower quality than on PC. The only PS3 games I get are the truly rave worthy and 100% exclusives and they have to REALLY deliver on the graphics and gameplay front. Like God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 and maybe Modnation Racers.

 

[Dys]

Don't be silly, a PS3, even not, is hugely expensive. The few exclusives that aren't available on a PC hardly justify the huge price range, or the added price of games. Not to mention the cost of an adequate screen to game on.

PC gaming, over the life of the PC (usually about 2 console generations if it's well built) is substantially cheaper. Unless I come into money sometime soon, control schemes aren't going to impact my decision.

most ps3 exclusives are not on pc, alot of xbox exclusives are.

The relatively meager sum of PS3 games that aren't available on PC are not enough to justify buying an entire console. There aren't very many, fuck, even if every game released on the PS3 was unavailable on the PC, the high price and low lifespan of the console isn't worth it to many PC gamers. Think about it, at $60-$110+ (I'm Australian, the prices are high but the scaling is pretty much the same regardless of where you are) a pop for PS3 title (of which, let's be outrageous and call it 100, titles) compared to the unlimited mod library and insanely cheap, near unlimited library of PC games.

A few weeks ago, I bought for less than half the price of a new PS3 game the entire red faction series, dawn of war+expansions, company of heroes+ expansions, Supcom+expansion, titan question + expansion and full spectrum warrior+ expansion and S.T.A.L.K.E.R the shadow of Chernobyl as well as a few others. It was 13 games/expansions in total, at least 4 of which current are current gen (some are older). Hell, 5 minutes on steam (and overpriced, bloated pile of shit) reveals oblivion and it's expansions are $8.50US (which I can't be bothered converting to AU exactly, but is somewhere around the $10au mark). I actually saw obvlivion (not GOTY edition) selling used for $30 in a gamestore the other week. I can't stress enough just how expensive consoles are, most gamers can't afford it, end of.

The value of PC gaming is without contest, it is the one rig to rule them all but I think if a PC gamer were going to own only one console it would be PS3. And in previous generations I'd have said the the Gamecube.

PS3 is useful for things like recording Telly with it's PlayTV peripheral being able to wait in standby, I don't want to have to keep my PC on 24-7 nor have HD recording cut into my framerate because QI or Argumental just came on. Blu-ray and DVD-upscaler are handy.

Also, like the Gamecube, it has what I call the "Zelda Factor" that really great first party game that the studios obstinately just won't officially release on PC. I just got to play those games.

Oh thank god, somebody with some sense has decided converse with me. Unfortunately, there's little to converse, I entirely agree with you.

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

Short term: No

Long term: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It's surprising that, thats jokes been done 3 times now, well twice but it has "this'd" once.

Way to add to the discussion amount of no's people.

Don't be silly, a PS3, even not, is hugely expensive.

There about the same as a 360 these days and since if you have a HD tv you could have a 74" tv/monitor to game on, I think thats more than adequate.

Holy shit, a second person who's talking sense? At least my point, though independent of yours, differs a bit and there's some discussion to be had here

But I'm perfectly capable of hooking my PC up to the tv :S Look, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with a PS3, or that it's in any way bad (I actually did splash out and buy one, second hand of course). I certainly don't think their bad or worthless, I prefer PS3 to xbox 360, the topic is whether a gaming mouse would change the mind of the average gamer, I can't see how it would. Gamers that both want/can afford a PS3 already have one, trying to port PC controls the consoles is and always has been flawed, the standard PS3 controller is far more adequate (and works far better with the auto-aim and self correction programmed into PS3 games) than any attempt at PC controls could be. I'm constantly saying this, but a gamer on a budget (with any sense) is a PC gamer, as the whole "PCs are more expensive" line is 100% myth. PCs last longer than consoles, have cheaper games and, right now, a PC with comparable power to a console can be assembled cheaper than an xbox 360 elite/PS3 250gb[footnote]based on Australian prices, last time I had this discussion it was with an American fellow who could buy consoles for literally half the price I could, and only got PC parts about 20% cheaper[/footnote]

Don't be silly, a PS3, even not, is hugely expensive. The few exclusives that aren't available on a PC hardly justify the huge price range, or the added price of games. Not to mention the cost of an adequate screen to game on.

PC gaming, over the life of the PC (usually about 2 console generations if it's well built) is substantially cheaper. Unless I come into money sometime soon, control schemes aren't going to impact my decision.

most ps3 exclusives are not on pc, alot of xbox exclusives are.

The relatively meager sum of PS3 games that aren't available on PC are not enough to justify buying an entire console. There aren't very many, fuck, even if every game released on the PS3 was unavailable on the PC, the high price and low lifespan of the console isn't worth it to many PC gamers. Think about it, at $60-$110+ (I'm Australian, the prices are high but the scaling is pretty much the same regardless of where you are) a pop for PS3 title (of which, let's be outrageous and call it 100, titles) compared to the unlimited mod library and insanely cheap, near unlimited library of PC games.

A few weeks ago, I bought for less than half the price of a new PS3 game the entire red faction series, dawn of war+expansions, company of heroes+ expansions, Supcom+expansion, titan question + expansion and full spectrum warrior+ expansion and S.T.A.L.K.E.R the shadow of Chernobyl as well as a few others. It was 13 games/expansions in total, at least 4 of which current are current gen (some are older). Hell, 5 minutes on steam (and overpriced, bloated pile of shit) reveals oblivion and it's expansions are $8.50US (which I can't be bothered converting to AU exactly, but is somewhere around the $10au mark). I actually saw obvlivion (not GOTY edition) selling used for $30 in a gamestore the other week. I can't stress enough just how expensive consoles are, most gamers can't afford it, end of.

if most gamers couldnt afford it, most gamers wouldnt be console gamers which is the majority.

Erm, you think most gamers are console[footnote]as in TV console, not mobile phone[/footnote] gamers?


....I'm not going to argue with you, I can't counter that level of ignorance :\

yeah im ignorant for saying the truth, it goes by number of players Console>PC>Handeld(?).

also if im ignorant you are fighting ignorance with ignorance, becuase you are a PC elists from what I read and I am not.

I...bu...REALLY.

Have you heard of the iphone? Farmville perhaps? Are you aware that many gamers play on computers that far outdate that 10 year old desktop you mentioned before...Most people don't game on dedicated gaming platforms, to try and claim such redefines stupidity.....I really don't have the motivation to argue with trolls, I'm sure you can find someone else who looks to have common sense on this thread to quote if you're looking to troll.

 

[joshthor]

i was already enticed to buy one. but i probably wont. they are too expensive for me right now.

 

[AlanShore]

No, because unless the game specifically supports M&K, the mouse won't behave exactly the same as it would on a PC. There will still be things like auto-aim and mouse acceleration because the console will still "think" that it's the PS3 controller that's plugged in, like that FragFX thing that keeps getting mentioned.

Also, as already mentioned, PC gaming offers much more than M&K such as higher resolutions, better textures, mods, greater variety of genres etc etc. Until the consoles can offer all of those, I'll be sticking with my PC thanks.

 

[Front Row]

Well , a mouse and keyboard on a PS3... Thats nice for all "consoleros"

But take a look in the history of gaming .

Where did it start ?
Where did it evolve ?

I started with the good old Atari.
Moved on to a Schneider CPC 646
Then it was "Commodore" time with the C64.

The next step was THE gaming machine - AMIGA
I owned an Amiga 2000 - with a 50MB HD <---that was fucking awesome that time - xD

Suddenly the PCs got stronger - 186 , 286 , 386 (Doom on an 386)and the software companys moved from the dieing Amiga to this new machines. (so did i)

Then time opened another space for consoles.
The Nintendo stuff - NES - SNES - N64
Playstation stuff - PS 1,2 and now 3
And of Microsoft with the XBoxes

And hey , first consoles where pretty crappy - but they evolved.
And so did the PC.

And if you look at games of today , well the consoles got the "exclusive" games , but sometimes they are exclusive for like 3 month , then proted to other consoles and pc - cause its all about the money

In the end there is and will be no better machine to game on then a PC.

The Hardware is getting better every minute.
A PC is upgradeable - Consoles are not.
And you can do whatever you want with a PC - Consoles are really limited

I use my PC as a full entertainment center.
Movies ? PC linked to TV
Music ? You name it , i got it - in seconds - lots of it
Friends ? Thousands of possibilities to get in touch with ya mates.
etc , etc

So when it comes to get the most out of a game - a PC is the only answer.

Want a Supreme Commander match with ya mate ? with 9.000 Units per Player ?
Try that on a PS3 or XBOX360 ^^

And i dont say anything about the graphics - consoles are nice - PCs are better.

For casual gamers , a console is a nice thing - But if you are a freak ... well arent we all freaks ?

As last words ; Atm lots of games or their companys want to force us to do things we dont like. Like Anti-Copy tools who act like a b**ch , Patches who break more then they repair and so on... On a PC ... there is ALWAYS a way around that. Youre chanche to do that on a PS3 or Xbox are very limited. [and i talk about legal shit here ]

Thx 4 reading
Cheers

 

[Korten12]

Don't be silly, a PS3, even not, is hugely expensive. The few exclusives that aren't available on a PC hardly justify the huge price range, or the added price of games. Not to mention the cost of an adequate screen to game on.

PC gaming, over the life of the PC (usually about 2 console generations if it's well built) is substantially cheaper. Unless I come into money sometime soon, control schemes aren't going to impact my decision.

most ps3 exclusives are not on pc, alot of xbox exclusives are.

The relatively meager sum of PS3 games that aren't available on PC are not enough to justify buying an entire console. There aren't very many, fuck, even if every game released on the PS3 was unavailable on the PC, the high price and low lifespan of the console isn't worth it to many PC gamers. Think about it, at $60-$110+ (I'm Australian, the prices are high but the scaling is pretty much the same regardless of where you are) a pop for PS3 title (of which, let's be outrageous and call it 100, titles) compared to the unlimited mod library and insanely cheap, near unlimited library of PC games.

A few weeks ago, I bought for less than half the price of a new PS3 game the entire red faction series, dawn of war+expansions, company of heroes+ expansions, Supcom+expansion, titan question + expansion and full spectrum warrior+ expansion and S.T.A.L.K.E.R the shadow of Chernobyl as well as a few others. It was 13 games/expansions in total, at least 4 of which current are current gen (some are older). Hell, 5 minutes on steam (and overpriced, bloated pile of shit) reveals oblivion and it's expansions are $8.50US (which I can't be bothered converting to AU exactly, but is somewhere around the $10au mark). I actually saw obvlivion (not GOTY edition) selling used for $30 in a gamestore the other week. I can't stress enough just how expensive consoles are, most gamers can't afford it, end of.

The value of PC gaming is without contest, it is the one rig to rule them all but I think if a PC gamer were going to own only one console it would be PS3. And in previous generations I'd have said the the Gamecube.

PS3 is useful for things like recording Telly with it's PlayTV peripheral being able to wait in standby, I don't want to have to keep my PC on 24-7 nor have HD recording cut into my framerate because QI or Argumental just came on. Blu-ray and DVD-upscaler are handy.

Also, like the Gamecube, it has what I call the "Zelda Factor" that really great first party game that the studios obstinately just won't officially release on PC. I just got to play those games.

Oh thank god, somebody with some sense has decided converse with me. Unfortunately, there's little to converse, I entirely agree with you.

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

Short term: No

Long term: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

It's surprising that, thats jokes been done 3 times now, well twice but it has "this'd" once.

Way to add to the discussion amount of no's people.

Don't be silly, a PS3, even not, is hugely expensive.

There about the same as a 360 these days and since if you have a HD tv you could have a 74" tv/monitor to game on, I think thats more than adequate.

Holy shit, a second person who's talking sense? At least my point, though independent of yours, differs a bit and there's some discussion to be had here

But I'm perfectly capable of hooking my PC up to the tv :S Look, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with a PS3, or that it's in any way bad (I actually did splash out and buy one, second hand of course). I certainly don't think their bad or worthless, I prefer PS3 to xbox 360, the topic is whether a gaming mouse would change the mind of the average gamer, I can't see how it would. Gamers that both want/can afford a PS3 already have one, trying to port PC controls the consoles is and always has been flawed, the standard PS3 controller is far more adequate (and works far better with the auto-aim and self correction programmed into PS3 games) than any attempt at PC controls could be. I'm constantly saying this, but a gamer on a budget (with any sense) is a PC gamer, as the whole "PCs are more expensive" line is 100% myth. PCs last longer than consoles, have cheaper games and, right now, a PC with comparable power to a console can be assembled cheaper than an xbox 360 elite/PS3 250gb[footnote]based on Australian prices, last time I had this discussion it was with an American fellow who could buy consoles for literally half the price I could, and only got PC parts about 20% cheaper[/footnote]

Don't be silly, a PS3, even not, is hugely expensive. The few exclusives that aren't available on a PC hardly justify the huge price range, or the added price of games. Not to mention the cost of an adequate screen to game on.

PC gaming, over the life of the PC (usually about 2 console generations if it's well built) is substantially cheaper. Unless I come into money sometime soon, control schemes aren't going to impact my decision.

most ps3 exclusives are not on pc, alot of xbox exclusives are.

The relatively meager sum of PS3 games that aren't available on PC are not enough to justify buying an entire console. There aren't very many, fuck, even if every game released on the PS3 was unavailable on the PC, the high price and low lifespan of the console isn't worth it to many PC gamers. Think about it, at $60-$110+ (I'm Australian, the prices are high but the scaling is pretty much the same regardless of where you are) a pop for PS3 title (of which, let's be outrageous and call it 100, titles) compared to the unlimited mod library and insanely cheap, near unlimited library of PC games.

A few weeks ago, I bought for less than half the price of a new PS3 game the entire red faction series, dawn of war+expansions, company of heroes+ expansions, Supcom+expansion, titan question + expansion and full spectrum warrior+ expansion and S.T.A.L.K.E.R the shadow of Chernobyl as well as a few others. It was 13 games/expansions in total, at least 4 of which current are current gen (some are older). Hell, 5 minutes on steam (and overpriced, bloated pile of shit) reveals oblivion and it's expansions are $8.50US (which I can't be bothered converting to AU exactly, but is somewhere around the $10au mark). I actually saw obvlivion (not GOTY edition) selling used for $30 in a gamestore the other week. I can't stress enough just how expensive consoles are, most gamers can't afford it, end of.

if most gamers couldnt afford it, most gamers wouldnt be console gamers which is the majority.

Erm, you think most gamers are console[footnote]as in TV console, not mobile phone[/footnote] gamers?


....I'm not going to argue with you, I can't counter that level of ignorance :\

yeah im ignorant for saying the truth, it goes by number of players Console>PC>Handeld(?).

also if im ignorant you are fighting ignorance with ignorance, becuase you are a PC elists from what I read and I am not.

I...bu...REALLY.

Have you heard of the iphone? Farmville perhaps? Are you aware that many gamers play on computers that far outdate that 10 year old desktop you mentioned before...Most people don't game on dedicated gaming platforms, to try and claim such redefines stupidity.....I really don't have the motivation to argue with trolls, I'm sure you can find someone else who looks to have common sense on this thread to quote if you're looking to troll.

yes I am a troll [/sarcasm] no I do not consider them gamers for the fact they are not dedicated to games themselves and play them reguraly.

you are a fricken PC elists prick who cant stand to not be wrong. you probably also think just becuase u on are on PC that u are superior to people who play on consoles. this is why sometimes I hate pc gaming, fanboys on consoles are also just as bad but sometimes it seems that PC elisists are the worst.

 

[Dys]

The relatively meager sum of PS3 games that aren't available on PC are not enough to justify buying an entire console. There aren't very many, fuck, even if every game released on the PS3 was unavailable on the PC, the high price and low lifespan of the console isn't worth it to many PC gamers. Think about it, at $60-$110+ (I'm Australian, the prices are high but the scaling is pretty much the same regardless of where you are) a pop for PS3 title (of which, let's be outrageous and call it 100, titles) compared to the unlimited mod library and insanely cheap, near unlimited library of PC games.

You cant compare AAA released with the unlimited library of indie PC games when your talking about prices. Nor can you compare the price of a brand new ps3 game with a pc game that came out 3 years ago. When your talking about PC exclusives you also have to consider that 90% of all console games dont come out on the PC. Im not talking just ps3 im talking all consoles.
[

Presumably I am welcome to compare 3 year old games to 3 year old games (as I did with oblivion in my prior post) though, right? The PC version, which has 2 expansions worth of extra content, is a meagre 25% of the cost of the comparable console game (when you buy the console game used). You can't buy 4[footnote]League of Legends is included in the pack I bought, at no extra charge, to US/Canadian customers, which is a new release title with prettier eye candy and a more advanced engine than CoD6, though I suppose when you say AAA you mean mutli million dollar marketing campaign.[/footnote] current gen games on the PS3 for $50au, you're welcome to ignore all the other last gen games and expansions if you want (though I'm well aware PSN sells classic games through it's store, so it's a stupid concession to make, as I've not doubt a great many people who get PS3s are influenced by the ability to play great games they may have missed).

And why, for the love of god am I not allowed to include the indy games? The best games are developed by the devs who aren't being raped by big publishers. Who gives a shit about expensive marketing campaigns and high profits, that's not what makes a game worth playing. If you think it is, then you're completely out of touch with the typical PC gamer. AND both PSN and xbox live (and for all I know the wii store) sell casual, indy games as well, I honestly can't follow your logic on this one.

 

[omega 616]

directly compared this peripheral with PC gaming.

Not really, I see it as the best of both worlds for PC only gamers, get to play PS3 exclusives on a control system there comfy with.

Obviously some games are better with a controller but I was asking would this help you make up your mind in buying one. If that never came across in the OP then sorry but thats what I was aiming for, not which is superior, PC or PS3.

snip

My thoughts behind this thread were if you never played on anything but the PC and were looking at the PS3 thinking "I might, I might not" then you heard this, would it make you think "oh, go on then" and buy it or would you still be in limbo.

Not keyboard and mouse are the only reason that people don't play on consoles, I think some people have missed that point a bit, with the amount of people posting about mods and such.

 

[thom_cat_]

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

I hear you say mouse and keyboard is the bestest thing ever for FPS (or even any game) so would being able to play in your preferred control system on PS3 exclusives persuade you to buy one?

(I don't know how you hide the url into a word or sentence. Sorry if this has been brought up before)

Edit. Just thought I would list a few exclusives just as a small reminder, God of war 3, MGS4, Modnation racers and heavy rain

I play on my PC for the modding ability, for the updates, not for the mouse and keyboard.
While the mouse and keyboard are my favourite gaming input hardware, it's not why I stay.
Oh, and my PC has the graphics of a god with two HD5870's. So I ain't moving.

 

[LLORTREPUS]

No, because my PC has superior specs to a PS3, and I'm not dishing out all that money for the 3 or 4 exclusives that I fancy playing.

 

[Nemu]

No, and I'm a long-time PS lover (still have a working 1st gen PS1, even).

Heck, I only bought an X-Box a couple of months ago, and I only did THAT because it was cheaper than a PS3 and wanted FF XIII.

PC/Mac games just offer more than platform games, imo.