A question for you PC exclusive gamers.

[Christopher Dudgeon]

Done the whole console thing and then I found my way to the Daddy...The PC
Games include

Freespace 1+2
Half-Life 1+2
any strategy game
any Flight Simulator
and also The ability to play old games on new machines.

Keyboard and Desk Rat are king!

 

[Kathinka]

i tried this console-mouse-and-keyboard-solution thingie the other day.

damn that's completely shitty^^ it's definetely an improvement in terms of accuracy over the gamepad for FPS and RTS, the two homegrounds of the pc. but it's nowhere the real deal of mouse and keyboard. it's just a funny shaped gamepad that fools the playstation a little. still not very accurate and pleasant to handle.

and i still can't browse the web, burn cd's, make my own mod's or play other peoples mods with a playstation. not can i play a wide array of real time strategy games and first person shooters, my two favored genres.

 

[Cyaneed]

Im getting a PS3 but not because of that,
Im getting it because i dont want to get a new computer, and i want to play new games.

 

[omega 616]

Doctor Hitler?

How DARE YOU! I'll have you refer to me as my proper title: Professor Hitler

I worked damn hard for my departmental chair and I'll be DAMNED if I get bumped down to a lowly Doctorate again (just kidding)

But seriously, I want to know WHY you don't like PC gaming, an actual tangible reason. We're not talking about colour preference, there are quantifiable and distinct differences here and don't act as if you can't describe them.

All you have said gives the impression that you simply have PREJUDICE against PC because - I don't know - you bought into a load of advertising and marketing crap to do with consoles and you're just in love with them, and don't want to give anything else a chance.

I don't know, please prove me otherwise. Give me some REAL reasons you can enjoy a game on PS3 or 360 yet on PC it is somehow unbearable.

I can state my reasons for disliking console:
-overpriced games (for worse graphics/performance)
-frequent input lag issues
-locked down "walled garden" business model
-Analogue stick aiming is simultaneously too slow and too imprecise
-gamepad has too few button and too much "finger conflict" (thumb has to manage face buttons and L-stick at the same time)

But to spite all that I game on my PS3 quite often, I'd rather play Uncharted on PS3 than not at all. But if Uncharted and other PS£-Exclusives came out on PC I wouldn't bother with PS3.

This has to do with why I don't like so don't dismiss it. Think about fast and furious, pc gamers are like Vin and co. riding round in over the top cars etc etc I am like the general public it gets me from A to B, aka I don't care that you can install 3,000 mods to make people look and talk like Homer Simpson and family.

Your right about the right hand having to do the face buttons and the analogue stick, but the K/M has the inverse of that. If I have my fingers on WASD, shift for crouch and space for jump, I am now out of fingers to reload, throw nades and the rest of the stuff I have to do, sure the right hand fires, alt fires, maybe change weapons with the scroll wheel and looks around. Maybe it's an experience thing but I constantly find myself hiding, looking for a button, then going back out to use the button only to end up looking for it again 12 seconds later or pressing the nade button instead of reload.

The graphics are as good as your wallet, low budget bad graphics. If you get the best money can buy it will be superceded in 6 months (guess).

As far as computers go, I am mega newb so if something goes tits up I am fucked. Like my hard drive went a few months ago, I lost everything it took me 2 months to get it sorted and I had to buy 2 cables I never needed aswell.

I would just like to point out I am not 100% against PC gaming, I love C&C and they don't belong on consoles, it's like having ice cream with meatballs. I even have a gaming mouse.

I also get this rather disconnected feeling from aiming with a mouse, probably down to consoles but it's weird.

People get advantages from there wallet, for example

Spoiler: this

Isn't never going to beat somebody with

Spoiler: this

See what I mean?

There just the ones off the top of my head.

Edit. With the last example, unless a proper pro gamer is using the crap stuff and average player is using the gaming stuff.

 

[mad825]

hmph!

the irony of this is that Apple are being ripped off yet again but by Sony this time...Wait!...did I just compare the PS3 to a macintosh?!?! surely I did Not, I would rather have a mac any day other than a PS3.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

Are you from infinity ward by any chance? Because when they said that MW2 wasn't going to just be a console port, they said that the PC version would be different because of Keyboard + mouse controls. I guess that a keyboard + mouse are the only thing that define PC gaming now?

The same way I wouldn't consider buying a mock PC with shitty hardware, I wouldn't buy a PS3 just because it can support a keyboard and mouse interface.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I already own a PS3 and what caused me to make the purchase was the opportunity to play the platform exclusives. The interface is a drawback on a console but it won't stop me from using the system if it means I can play with my friends.

 

[Treblaine]

Doctor Hitler?

How DARE YOU! I'll have you refer to me as my proper title: Professor Hitler

I worked damn hard for my departmental chair and I'll be DAMNED if I get bumped down to a lowly Doctorate again (just kidding)

But seriously, I want to know WHY you don't like PC gaming, an actual tangible reason. We're not talking about colour preference, there are quantifiable and distinct differences here and don't act as if you can't describe them.

All you have said gives the impression that you simply have PREJUDICE against PC because - I don't know - you bought into a load of advertising and marketing crap to do with consoles and you're just in love with them, and don't want to give anything else a chance.

I don't know, please prove me otherwise. Give me some REAL reasons you can enjoy a game on PS3 or 360 yet on PC it is somehow unbearable.

I can state my reasons for disliking console:
-overpriced games (for worse graphics/performance)
-frequent input lag issues
-locked down "walled garden" business model
-Analogue stick aiming is simultaneously too slow and too imprecise
-gamepad has too few button and too much "finger conflict" (thumb has to manage face buttons and L-stick at the same time)

But to spite all that I game on my PS3 quite often, I'd rather play Uncharted on PS3 than not at all. But if Uncharted and other PS£-Exclusives came out on PC I wouldn't bother with PS3.

This has to do with why I don't like so don't dismiss it. Think about fast and furious, pc gamers are like Vin and co. riding round in over the top cars etc etc I am like the general public it gets me from A to B, aka I don't care that you can install 3,000 mods to make people look and talk like Homer Simpson and family.

Your right about the right hand having to do the face buttons and the analogue stick, but the K/M has the inverse of that. If I have my fingers on WASD, shift for crouch and space for jump, I am now out of fingers to reload, throw nades and the rest of the stuff I have to do, sure the right hand fires, alt fires, maybe change weapons with the scroll wheel and looks around. Maybe it's an experience thing but I constantly find myself hiding, looking for a button, then going back out to use the button only to end up looking for it again 12 seconds later or pressing the nade button instead of reload.

The graphics are as good as your wallet, low budget bad graphics. If you get the best money can buy it will be superceded in 6 months (guess).

As far as computers go, I am mega newb so if something goes tits up I am fucked. Like my hard drive went a few months ago, I lost everything it took me 2 months to get it sorted and I had to buy 2 cables I never needed aswell.

I would just like to point out I am not 100% against PC gaming, I love C&C and they don't belong on consoles, it's like having ice cream with meatballs. I even have a gaming mouse.

I also get this rather disconnected feeling from aiming with a mouse, probably down to consoles but it's weird.

People get advantages from there wallet, for example

Spoiler: this

Isn't never going to beat somebody with

Spoiler: this

See what I mean?

There just the ones off the top of my head.

Edit. With the last example, unless a proper pro gamer is using the crap stuff and average player is using the gaming stuff.

OK, last questions first: yes, you can beat em with that, the advantage of a super expensive mouse is minimal, the main advantage is comfort allowing for you to get more experience which is the biggest advantage you can have.

I don't get your complaints with PC controls layout, crouch and jump are buttons that you have to use VERY often, and you can rearrange the controls whichever way you like to suit your preferences. It is certainly an improvement over the console gamepad situation.

Also, why would you have to take ALL THREE FINGERS off the WASD keys to press one key to reload or toss a grenade???!? You only have to move ONE finger like from the D key to R key, you can keep holding down W as you run to evade. Or you could set Caps Lock key as grenade throw. You can get a modestly priced computer mouse with 4 mouse buttons, set one of them to throw-grenade.

And I've heard the same complaints with newbie console players about "I can't find the button" it's just a matter of experience. You can easily find keys without looking or even feeling for them if you've given it enough of a chance. We were all new to PC gaming once, you should probably start with a simpler game, no shame in that.

You're complaints about progress of hardware hold no water with me, just because there is a bettER card in 6 months doesn't somehow make your card less powerful. And PC hardware doesn't cost significantly more than console hardware but offers FAR better performance, I mean PS3 up till mid-2009 cost $500 and look what you could get for $500:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps

I should mention that article is over a year old using components all from mid 2008, things have progressed significantly since then but that rig STILL kicks ass in 2010.

PS3 may cost $300 now but you get shafted on the price of games, which are price inflated due to console licensing fees and STILL the PC as listed above runs rings around PS3 performance.

Also, you should have backed up your data then your hard drive burn would not have been such a problem. It is just as likely to happen to the hard drive in your PS3 as in your PC as they are essentially the same tech.

 

[omega 616]

OK, last questions first: yes, you can beat em with that, the advantage of a super expensive mouse is minimal, the main advantage is comfort allowing for you to get more experience which is the biggest advantage you can have.

I don't get your complaints with PC controls layout, crouch and jump are buttons that you have to use VERY often, and you can rearrange the controls whichever way you like to suit your preferences. It is certainly an improvement over the console gamepad situation.

Also, why would you have to take ALL THREE FINGERS off the WASD keys to press one key to reload or toss a grenade???!? You only have to move ONE finger like from the D key to R key, you can keep holding down W as you run to evade. Or you could set Caps Lock key as grenade throw. You can get a modestly priced computer mouse with 4 mouse buttons, set one of them to throw-grenade.

And I've heard the same complaints with newbie console players about "I can't find the button" it's just a matter of experience. You can easily find keys without looking or even feeling for them if you've given it enough of a chance. We were all new to PC gaming once, you should probably start with a simpler game, no shame in that.

You're complaints about progress of hardware hold no water with me, just because there is a bettER card in 6 months doesn't somehow make your card less powerful. And PC hardware doesn't cost significantly more than console hardware but offers FAR better performance, I mean PS3 up till mid-2009 cost $500 and look what you could get for $500:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps

I should mention that article is over a year old using components all from mid 2008, things have progressed significantly since then but that rig STILL kicks ass in 2010.

PS3 may cost $300 now but you get shafted on the price of games, which are price inflated due to console licensing fees and STILL the PC as listed above runs rings around PS3 performance.

Also, you should have backed up your data then your hard drive burn would not have been such a problem. It is just as likely to happen to the hard drive in your PS3 as in your PC as they are essentially the same tech.

I couldn't disagree more, one mouse is far more accurate and far superior to the other so it would give the other person a massive advantage. Comfort has little to do with it, you might have a more comfortable car but if mine has improvements over yours, it isn't going to win.

I am not sure if you can solve a Rubiks cube but theres the beginners method and other more advanced methods, the advanced methods allow you to do a Rubiks cube in 7 seconds but is far more complicated thats the keyboard to me, buttons for leaning stuff is not only unnecessary but means instead of me walking forward I now look like I have an inner ear infection by leaning. AKA I often end up pressing the wrong button or have to glance at the keyboard to find the right button, which is never a smooth move.

I don't take all three fingers off WASD, I never said I did, did I? I am also pretty sure I did mention it might be down to experience about finding the right button. Another hand related problem is after gaming on a keyboard my hand and wrist is killing me!

I just feel theres a small obligation or a feeling of disapointment, you have just blown a tonne of cash to own the best money can get, then before you know it your no longer on top. It's like buying a top from a shop then a week later going back and noticing there doing a 2 for 1 offer on the same tops, it's a feeling of "I should have waited a little longer".

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

Not in the slightest. Putting diamonds on a pig doesn't make it a princess. My 3D modelling and animation work requires me to have a fairly robust PC that, as an aside, also makes it a decent gaming rig.

Another edit. I think some people are getting the wrong end of the thread, it's not which is superior. It's if you were thinking of getting a PS3 but couldn't decide, would this push you over the edge and make you get one?

No. In fact I'd be less likely to get one.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

I hear you say mouse and keyboard is the bestest thing ever for FPS (or even any game) so would being able to play in your preferred control system on PS3 exclusives persuade you to buy one?

Why bother if we already have a competent PC and so, obviously, don't care about exclusives?

 

[fix-the-spade]

entice you to buy a PS3?

Short answer: No, not in a million years.

Long Answer: No, because my primary issues with current console gaming are not the controls. I play PC games exclusively now because that way I get to have private servers, admin controls, direct intervention in case of hackers/ass holes and most importantly, I get to decide if I want to continue playing a game.

I am still getting milage online out of the original Quake, a game from 1996. Halo 2 was one of the longest lived online console games ever, yet it still only managed a whisker over 5 years. Being a console gamer means allowing other people to decide what games and when you want to play them, I don't like that.

 

[Korten12]

I think this thread went to a simple question to PC fanboys, elitsits trying to prove how superior they are.

 

[Zannah]

See, this 'exclusive games' business is exactly why I will stay the hell away from consoles (until I develop the ability to shit money that is). There's this cool game you need a Ps for, and that cool game is only Xbox, and If you want the party games, you'll have to get the wii.

Now 'most' games, exept for those that require motion sensoring or have really retarded developers (I'm looking at YOU rockstar) also come out to Pcs. Consoles would only offer benefits to me, if I owned all of them (which I can't afford) and additionally an expensive HDTV (which I can't afford as well). So why would a gimmick (I won't be able to afford most likely) suddenly make me interested in console gaming?

 

[Claptrap]

The reason i'm a pc exclusive gamer is because i simpley cant afford to own consoles and buy games for all of them.

 

[Horticulture]

How many console-exclusive gamers would switch to a PC if more games offered gamepad support?

 

[omega 616]

How many console-exclusive gamers would switch to a PC if more games offered gamepad support?

I would ... I prefer controller to K/M.

 

[Treblaine]

OK, last questions first: yes, you can beat em with that, the advantage of a super expensive mouse is minimal, the main advantage is comfort allowing for you to get more experience which is the biggest advantage you can have.

I don't get your complaints with PC controls layout, crouch and jump are buttons that you have to use VERY often, and you can rearrange the controls whichever way you like to suit your preferences. It is certainly an improvement over the console gamepad situation.

Also, why would you have to take ALL THREE FINGERS off the WASD keys to press one key to reload or toss a grenade???!? You only have to move ONE finger like from the D key to R key, you can keep holding down W as you run to evade. Or you could set Caps Lock key as grenade throw. You can get a modestly priced computer mouse with 4 mouse buttons, set one of them to throw-grenade.

And I've heard the same complaints with newbie console players about "I can't find the button" it's just a matter of experience. You can easily find keys without looking or even feeling for them if you've given it enough of a chance. We were all new to PC gaming once, you should probably start with a simpler game, no shame in that.

You're complaints about progress of hardware hold no water with me, just because there is a bettER card in 6 months doesn't somehow make your card less powerful. And PC hardware doesn't cost significantly more than console hardware but offers FAR better performance, I mean PS3 up till mid-2009 cost $500 and look what you could get for $500:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps

I should mention that article is over a year old using components all from mid 2008, things have progressed significantly since then but that rig STILL kicks ass in 2010.

PS3 may cost $300 now but you get shafted on the price of games, which are price inflated due to console licensing fees and STILL the PC as listed above runs rings around PS3 performance.

Also, you should have backed up your data then your hard drive burn would not have been such a problem. It is just as likely to happen to the hard drive in your PS3 as in your PC as they are essentially the same tech.

I couldn't disagree more, one mouse is far more accurate and far superior to the other so it would give the other person a massive advantage. Comfort has little to do with it, you might have a more comfortable car but if mine has improvements over yours, it isn't going to win.

I am not sure if you can solve a Rubiks cube but theres the beginners method and other more advanced methods, the advanced methods allow you to do a Rubiks cube in 7 seconds but is far more complicated thats the keyboard to me, buttons for leaning stuff is not only unnecessary but means instead of me walking forward I now look like I have an inner ear infection by leaning. AKA I often end up pressing the wrong button or have to glance at the keyboard to find the right button, which is never a smooth move.

I don't take all three fingers off WASD, I never said I did, did I? I am also pretty sure I did mention it might be down to experience about finding the right button. Another hand related problem is after gaming on a keyboard my hand and wrist is killing me!

I just feel theres a small obligation or a feeling of disapointment, you have just blown a tonne of cash to own the best money can get, then before you know it your no longer on top. It's like buying a top from a shop then a week later going back and noticing there doing a 2 for 1 offer on the same tops, it's a feeling of "I should have waited a little longer".

I don't you why you are making such spurious comparisons, such as a shitty PS/2 connector mouse and keyboard that have been obsolete for a decade and can only be found in a shitty Two-dollar store/Pound-shop. I mean you might as well compare a Ford Model T with a Ford GT40!

Point is for a fraction of the cost of that mouse you can get a mouse 90% as good like the Logitech MX 518 which I use not just for gaming but work and browsing. It has been perfect, that last 10% of precision is far better than most gamers can achieve, you seem to completely fail to comprehend the nuances of PC gaming which is not surprising considering your wilful ignorance of the matter.

Put it this way, you can give someone a super-precise sniper rifle but if the person behind it has a shaky hand they won't be accurate with it. Those super-mice that you show off are only going to give an advantage over a crappy ball and spindle mouse if it is a competition between two extremely experienced players.

My argument for the superiority of the mouse is the exact ERGONOMIC mechanism of use, not the precision of the electronic sensors, but the way the hand holds and moves the mouse allowing simultaneously large sweeping movements and then precise movements.

I have NEVER just "bought the best money can buy" how stupid do you think I am??!? Are you just being ignorant about PC gaming again (me thinks so) as all the time there is a component that is only 10% better but costs 5x as much. Don't jump to conclusions about me or what the the wider strata of PC gamers do. I always get the best bang-per-buck of all my components, and in terms of bang-per-buck consoles don't fare well.

You can put PC gamers that spend $5'000 on their tricked out gaming rig with the console gamers that blow $10'000 on a massive HDTV, and Dolby surround sound system to play their often sub-HD consoles games on. Escapist has just hosted a review on how you can get 5.1 Dolby headphones for $160 and surround headphones are where most PC gamers go for surround.

And if you're implying PC gaming is being "defeated" by console gaming, well the NES and SNES always outsold PC, and just like with the Wii, sales numbers don't indicate quality but only marketability: Transformers 2 make about 5 times as much as District 9 at the box office... but who would have 2nd guesses about how good that film was just because of the money?

You know... re-reading your last post, it's quite clear that you just plain aren't cut out for PC gaming. You are clearly unwilling to put any research into it, you don't want to play around with the control layout on games, you really just want your games packaged up, controlled, limited and dumbed down for consoles.

"Another hand related problem is after gaming on a keyboard my hand and wrist is killing me!"

Yeeeehhhhs! That's the sign of a good gaming session! > > > >

hmm, yeah, you're not cut out for PC gaming. I wonder if in another board a Wii gamer is complaining to a console gamer about why is this like this or that like that, how sore their fingers are after a gaming session...

 

[Delusibeta]

How many console-exclusive gamers would switch to a PC if more games offered gamepad support?

You'll be surprised how many PC games work with the 360 controller these days. And for everything else, there's Xpadder.

I think this thread went to a simple question to PC fanboys, elitsits trying to prove how superior they are.

Considering the original post, that's ironic, isn't it?

 

[omega 616]

snip

Hyperbole, basically. It's just getting an advantage over somebody else 'cos of the equipment you have, whereas on console you get a controller and everybody is using the same controller (maybe altering the sensitivity). Don't mention anything about the everybody 'cos I know some use turbo's and stuff.

It's amazing how quickly people descend to insults, calling somebody ignorant is ignorant and redundant since everybody is ignorant. Just to clear that up.

I have a pretty shaky hand and I can still get good sniper kills, I can't quick/no scope though.

Spoiler: Theres three ways to hold a mouse, palm, claw and finger tip[/spoiler

but anyway, I still think grip isn't important as the tech your using.

For the rest of your post, what are you chatting about? I don't know were your shopping for TV's but there robbing you! £699.00 (1,017.22 USD) for a 50 inch tv. £5,000 isn't much for a "tricked out gaming rig", I think your doing a bit of an unfair comparison.

I never said you or anybody else did anything to do with buying, I was hypothesizing.

As for "bang for buck" in regards to consoles, so? Your trees look a little more tree like, your grass is a little grassier, your people look a little bit more real, your games run a little faster/smoother, whoopy! In the middle of a gaming session, in the middle of a frantic fire fight, you never notice the trees, grass, walls, light, speed (unless it's lagging badly) your too busy concentrating on were that guy is who keeps shooting you in the face when you peek out from cover.

You just come off as arrogant and anything other than PC gaming somehow makes you inferior or to do so is asinine.

Edit, you know PC gaming isn't some elite club that you have to "cut out for", it's just another gaming platform.