ACTA is going to kill the Internet.

[Nevyrmoore]

rage doesnt even cover the emotion i am feeling now. 4chan has not come up with an image macro for this emotion. due to lack of image supplement, i have taken the liberty of creating my own.

*image snip*

thank you.

Spoiler: How about this one?

 

[Akai Shizuku]

rage doesnt even cover the emotion i am feeling now. 4chan has not come up with an image macro for this emotion. due to lack of image supplement, i have taken the liberty of creating my own.

-freaking awesome image snip-

thank you.

May I...may I save that? And use it elsewhere?

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

A. There's WAY more important shit to be worried about other than some fucking kid "stealing" music.

B. Those fucking musicians have enough money, and they'll continue to make FUCKLOADS of money even if people illegally download. This is a waste of time, money, resources and pretty much EVERYTHING; all because a musician is going to have to wait another 4 months before buying another luxury car.

A)You would think right? But then again, people are stupid. I mean the States is trying to pass free health care, and peopel are calling Obama 'Satan', so I guess something like this isn't too unbelievable.

B)Actually, musicians make very little from record sales; it all heads to the record comapanies.

 

[AlexTheBucket2112]

I'm forgetting the Latin term, but the US Constitution guarantees, if I remember correctly, that you shall not be persecuted for an action that was outlawed after you committed it. Someone remind me of the Latin term please?

ACTA is worldwide. The US constitution is not.

By the way, that's a frickin' awesome avatar.

Well, mixing domestic and international law may have some interesting results. Of course, trying to persecute internet crimes is like trying to persecute marijuana usage: it will cost ridiculous sums of money, not reduce illegal activity, and possibly flood jails. There's not much point to it.

Now I wonder where Theodore Roosevelt would stand on this issue...

I'm not trying to insult, But this is the all the logic needed to prove why all of this is a bad idea. I'm not saying that you lack logic, but that common sense should tell these people that something like this would never work out.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

rage doesnt even cover the emotion i am feeling now. 4chan has not come up with an image macro for this emotion. due to lack of image supplement, i have taken the liberty of creating my own.

thank you.

Spoiler: How about this one?

LOL. I think it's a tie, guys.

 

[AlexTheBucket2112]

So who wants to start sharing cds?

hell yeah man what you got?

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

oh you won;t be able to illigallly download movies anymore to fricken bad. just do it the legal way for gods sake.

Cause you know, Hollywood isn't rich enough. Doesn't Tom Cruise make like a couple million per day of filming, and the studios still turn a profit. And you honnestly have never pirated anything? Not even music?

Let the record show, by the way, that I have never pirated movies.

I can honestly say I have never.

You sir, are a living saint then

 

[LitigationJackson]

rage doesnt even cover the emotion i am feeling now. 4chan has not come up with an image macro for this emotion. due to lack of image supplement, i have taken the liberty of creating my own.

-freaking awesome image snip-

thank you.

May I...may I save that? And use it elsewhere?

no thats piracy! lol go ahead

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

They would be destroyed by backlash.

Only retards would try to implement this.

 

[AlexTheBucket2112]

But.... but..... how will I get my sexy pornz?

You'll have to go to movie gallery so they can see just how sick you are.

 

[Cortheya]

I joined the group against this on Facebook... This can't go on

 

[DanDeFool]

oh you won;t be able to illigallly download movies anymore to fricken bad. just do it the legal way for gods sake.

Take a moment to consider something for me. NES/SNES ROMS.

All SNES games, in the original cartridge format, are currently out of print. The cartridges can be purchased from people who own them and are willing to let go of them, but eventually, due to the inevitability of hardware failures and accidental losses, the supply will slowly dwindle to nothing.

Some of the most popular games are now available on the virtual console for the Wii and other modern systems. However, they are far from having the entire library of NES/SNES games available.

The internet, on the other hand, through the emulation community, has created a massive archive of NES and SNES titles (virutally every game that has ever been made for the systems) that people can download and play for free.

The companies published the games, the copies sold, they got a return on their investment, and now that people really don't care that much anymore, the games are free for anyone to play. And this has all been put together by people who, for the most part, do not profit from doing this.

Of course this is illegal, but isn't it amazing?

The internet as a system by which culture can be preserved and spread, and nobody has to be paid to do it. Everything can be created, distributed, and shared freely. It doesn't cost any money to tell your hard-disk to flip a few billion bits around to form a copy of Zelda: A Link to the Past. And now that high-speed internet, TB hard drives, and P2P Sharing are a reality, nobody really has to pay extra to create this archive. Think of any piece of media that has ever been made by anyone, somebody probably has a digital version of it on their computer somewhere in the world, that they will allow you to make a copy of for free.

Of course, it is completely possible to commercialize this system; but if you do, a bunch of people will have to be paid to do put together the servers, create the distribution system (software, hardware, etc.), create advertising for the service, build the building in which it is all housed, and manage and maintain the system. Lawyers have to be paid to negotiate contracts with the owners of the material for the rights to distribute. Royalties have to be paid to the owners. Taxes have to be paid, sometimes to multiple countries if the service goes international.

On, and on, and on.

At the end of the day whoever fronted the money for this whole operation will have to make a profit for it to be worth their while.

How much money will they have to charge per title to do this? Will enough people be willing to pay that amount to use the service? If the answer to the second question is no, the system cannot be commercialized.

With P2P, all of this hullabaloo is bypassed. The daunting task of creating an archive of content and distributing it is almost effortless.

If ACTA passes, P2P will disappear overnight. Everybody will either have to destroy every piece of copyrighted material they have that they cannot PROVE they own legitimately, or stash it all away on DVDs and hard drives that will only ever be played on or connected to non-networked computers.

Now, the preservation of culture HAS to be commercialized.

Currently, services like Gametap and Greenhouse offer old games that you can play all you like for a small fee. But eventually, not enough people are going to be interested in playing these old games for these companies to be able to make money off them. And what if these companies go belly-up? All of their servers and hard-drives will be sold off and the content will disappear. And with the original copies of the games subject to loss, neglect, and inevitable hardware failure, pretty soon all the copies of these things will be gone.

No more Atari 2600. No more NES. No more SNES. No more N64, PSOne, PS2, Xbox, PSP. Under these restrictions, all this content will eventually be gone, simply because we cannot afford to keep it.

If we could copy and distribute these materials freely, we could hold onto them forever. With the exponential increases in the power of personal computers, it becomes trivial for one person to store every single SNES game that was ever made on his hard drive and give any part of that archive to anyone else, whether anyone can make money off it or not. But if he gets thrown in jail for doing it, he won't do it.

So yeah, it is wrong to download movies before they're officially released into theaters. Just consider that the price we have to pay to make sure people can't do that anymore is the eventual, inevitable, and permanent loss of every game, movie, book, and song that was ever made and ever will be made.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

rage doesnt even cover the emotion i am feeling now. 4chan has not come up with an image macro for this emotion. due to lack of image supplement, i have taken the liberty of creating my own.

thank you.

Spoiler: How about this one?

LOL. I think it's a tie, guys.

The second one about sums up my opinion of this fascist bullshit.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

People, they don't just trash the internet, which has become possibly the single most important form of communication both domestically and internationally, save confidential packages which are obviously transported differently. Still, to eliminate the internet would be a massive blow to the global communications network. Killing the efficiency of global communication is hardly worth getting rid of a portion of stealing, so I really refuse to believe that anyone would actually put such a thing into action.

Plus, people can just obey the fucking law. There is little advantage to pirating something off the internet. You don't have to pay for it? That's great, but who cares? 20 more bucks out of your pocket. That's pretty much it. Suck it up people and follow the damn rules. No, I'm not ranting to anyone in particular, and no I'm not responding to anyone here, specifically.

 

[Danpascooch]

Great, next we can come up with a system where police can break down the doors of people's houses, and initiate random cavity searches on people at any time for any reason whatsoever.

But seriously, if this happens (it won't) there would be a massive underground trade of devices that circumvent the system.

Hackers (not crackers, hackers, well, maybe crackers too) will never allow this to happen!

 

[ilion]

Iam not afraid of them.

 

[Danpascooch]

rage doesnt even cover the emotion i am feeling now. 4chan has not come up with an image macro for this emotion. due to lack of image supplement, i have taken the liberty of creating my own.

*image snip*

thank you.

Spoiler: How about this one?

Stole first one and...wait for it...stole second one.

Too bad ACTA hasn't passed huh? you could search my hard drive and take it back, lol

Seriously, props on the pictures

 

[Andantil]

If this shit goes through, I'm going to end up wasting the rest of my life in politics trying to destroy it. Fuck you, government.

 

[Ph33nix]

oh you won;t be able to illigallly download movies anymore to fricken bad. just do it the legal way for gods sake.

Take a moment to consider something for me. NES/SNES ROMS.

All SNES games, in the original cartridge format, are currently out of print. The cartridges can be purchased from people who own them and are willing to let go of them, but eventually, due to the inevitability of hardware failures and accidental losses, the supply will slowly dwindle to nothing.

Some of the most popular games are now available on the virtual console for the Wii and other modern systems. However, they are far from having the entire library of NES/SNES games available.

The internet, on the other hand, through the emulation community, has created a massive archive of NES and SNES titles (virutally every game that has ever been made for the systems) that people can download and play for free.

The companies published the games, the copies sold, they got a return on their investment, and now that people really don't care that much anymore, the games are free for anyone to play. And this has all been put together by people who, for the most part, do not profit from doing this.

Of course this is illegal, but isn't it amazing?

The internet as a system by which culture can be preserved and spread, and nobody has to be paid to do it. Everything can be created, distributed, and shared freely. It doesn't cost any money to tell your hard-disk to flip a few billion bits around to form a copy of Zelda: A Link to the Past. And now that high-speed internet, TB hard drives, and P2P Sharing are a reality, nobody really has to pay extra to create this archive. Think of any piece of media that has ever been made by anyone, somebody probably has a digital version of it on their computer somewhere in the world, that they will allow you to make a copy of for free.

Of course, it is completely possible to commercialize this system; but if you do, a bunch of people will have to be paid to do put together the servers, create the distribution system (software, hardware, etc.), create advertising for the service, build the building in which it is all housed, and manage and maintain the system. Lawyers have to be paid to negotiate contracts with the owners of the material for the rights to distribute. Royalties have to be paid to the owners. Taxes have to be paid, sometimes to multiple countries if the service goes international.

On, and on, and on.

At the end of the day whoever fronted the money for this whole operation will have to make a profit for it to be worth their while.

How much money will they have to charge per title to do this? Will enough people be willing to pay that amount to use the service? If the answer to the second question is no, the system cannot be commercialized.

With P2P, all of this hullabaloo is bypassed. The daunting task of creating an archive of content and distributing it is almost effortless.

If ACTA passes, P2P will disappear overnight. Everybody will either have to destroy every piece of copyrighted material they have that they cannot PROVE they own legitimately, or stash it all away on DVDs and hard drives that will only ever be played on or connected to non-networked computers.

Now, the preservation of culture HAS to be commercialized.

Currently, services like Gametap and Greenhouse offer old games that you can play all you like for a small fee. But eventually, not enough people are going to be interested in playing these old games for these companies to be able to make money off them. And what if these companies go belly-up? All of their servers and hard-drives will be sold off and the content will disappear. And with the original copies of the games subject to loss, neglect, and inevitable hardware failure, pretty soon all the copies of these things will be gone.

No more Atari 2600. No more NES. No more SNES. No more N64, PSOne, PS2, Xbox, PSP. Under these restrictions, all this content will eventually be gone, simply because we cannot afford to keep it.

If we could copy and distribute these materials freely, we could hold onto them forever. With the exponential increases in the power of personal computers, it becomes trivial for one person to store every single SNES game that was ever made on his hard drive and give any part of that archive to anyone else, whether anyone can make money off it or not. But if he gets thrown in jail for doing it, he won't do it.

So yeah, it is wrong to download movies before they're officially released into theaters. Just consider that the price we have to pay to make sure people can't do that anymore is the eventual, inevitable, and permanent loss of every game, movie, book, and song that was ever made and ever will be made.

if you can;t buy its freeware and therefor not piracy.

 

[DanDeFool]

Wall of text notwithstanding, I have one final word of advice to the people of the Escapist.

KEEP.

YOUR.

RECEIPTS.

It's the only way you can prove you own anything. That black DVD case with it's shiny UPC and the crisp label on the back of that DVD don't mean a damn thing after this passes. How do we know you didn't just buy a DVD case, print the boxart out at Kinkos, and have your friend make you a label for that DVD you burned from an ISO?