All Men Cheat

[JeffBergGold]

and[/b] women. If society didn't like cheaters there wouldn't be so many of them around.

Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha... Dr. Oz.

Wow, that article said Vasopressin was a gene. A gene.

Before you take something Dr. Oz says seriously... ever... maybe you could look up the REAL rates. From real studies. Not fans of a guy on television.

The largest number I could find from a reputable source was between 30% and 60% of people have cheated at least once in a relationship.

That's a huge range, which basically says "no accurate measurement available," though you could construe from the 20%ish of young men who admit to cheating and the 15%ish of young women who admit to cheating that it's probably less than 50% of people who cheat.


Don't ever quote Dr. Oz's fans ever again as evidence for anything. Might double for Dr. Oz most of the time, as his advice has gone pretty wacko over the last few years.

That was just the most convenient source. There are plenty others that confirm the 60% number.

Google Scholar will work better if you're really interested in confirming my previous statement.

I'm going to have to disagree here too.
My ex and I were together for four years and I never cheated once.
She, on the other hand, did. That's why she's my ex.

Were you ever presented the opportunity to cheat? For cheating to be possible a person has to have options.

I've always been a big fan of monogamy.
Generally I'm not even prudish at all, I'm morally OK with homosexuality, poligamy, or even incest (among consenting adults using protection), but only in committed long term relationships that are intended to be permanent.

So you're for incest but against cheating? That's an interesting stance. Permanent relationship sounds good in theory but it assumes no growth or progress between either of the people involved forever.

All that casual sex, and cheating, and fuck buddies, and prostitution, and all that really, really irks me.

I'd have to disagree on casual sex and cheating. However, I do agree with the prostitution thing. If someone can't attract a person of the opposite sex maybe they don't deserve sex. Prostitution is cruel since the prostitute has to sleep with an undesirable.

 

[MasochisticAvenger]

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Yes, a lot of people cheat... a lot of people also commit murder. By your logic, since there are a lot of murderers around, society must accept them, right?

Oh and I had a look at that website you were so eager to hide behind. Real hard science there... Some guy said that 50% of men cheat in relationships... oh well now I'm convinced. Yeah... if you think someone is cheating, they obviously are. It couldn't possibly be the person being paranoid or crazy.

Oh oh! And if you confront a man with cheating and they use the word "lying" it means they probably are lying! OH MY GOD, THE SCIENCE IS ROCK SOLID!!! Oh, and if he uses the word never, it means he is cheating as well. Thank you! I haven't laughed this hard and something this stupid in a long time.

 

[SciMal]

That was just the most convenient source. There are plenty others that confirm the 60% number.

Google Scholar will work better if you're really interested in confirming my previous statement.

By all means, I appreciate a good source dive.

 

[Hagi]

http://www.drozfans.com/dr-ozs-advice/dr-oz-the-science-of-why-men-cheat/

Humans are not designed to be monogamous, particularly males. Covering your ears and screaming really loudly is not going to change the validity of my statements. A simple google search will confirm everything I've stated.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true!

You do realize that just because someone calls it 'science' doesn't mean it actually is science right?

I mean seriously, you just linked a website of a guy calling himself Dr. Oz.

It claims to be able to decipher human DNA and figure out exactly which genes predispose us towards a behaviour as complex as cheating.

It gives percentage after percentage without any form of source or supporting material.

I'm not entirely certain whether to laugh at this article or shake my head in disappointment for the misuse of the word science.

The only thing more hilarious than your link is your statement that humans were not designed to be monogamous. Which is utterly meaningless as there's no evidence whatsoever that humans were designed at all.

 

[JeffBergGold]

Yes, a lot of people cheat... a lot of people also commit murder. By your logic, since there are a lot of murderers around, society must accept them, right?

Incorrect, the number of murderers is actually pretty low. Although I can't really see how you can equivocate murder to cheating.

I certainly didn't equivocate murder to cheating. The fact that you can is somewhat disturbing.

To clarify for you. I think murder is wrong I'm against it, I think cheating is okay.

Oh and I had a look at that website you were so eager to hide behind. Real hard science there... Some guy said that 50% of men cheat in relationships... oh well now I'm convinced. Yeah... if you think someone is cheating, they obviously are. It couldn't possibly be the person being paranoid or crazy.

Oh oh! And if you confront a man with cheating and they use the word "lying" it means they probably are lying! OH MY GOD, THE SCIENCE IS ROCK SOLID!!! Oh, and if he uses the word never, it means he is cheating as well. Thank you! I haven't laughed this hard and something this stupid in a long time.

That was just the most convenient source. There are plenty others that confirm the 60% number.

Google Scholar will work better if you're really interested in confirming my previous statement.

I'm glad I was able to provide you with some entertainment. Still though, everything I stated is true.

 

[Hagi]

I'm glad I was able to provide you with some entertainment. Still though, everything I stated is true.

The above statement is false.

Source: science.

 

[gazumped]

That's really sad and now I feel sad.

I told my girlfriend that I sometimes still have flashes of a girl I was seeing before her and she stayed with me too. Then eventually I realised how incredible she was for not running for the hills and fell in love with her.

So, it's not so bad, some guys can be changed, I guess, some guys are just idiots.

Or maybe I'm the idiot, ramble, ramble.

I don't reckon that's so bad, it's hard to lose all of your feelings for someone you used to love even years later, but it's not nice to hear your partner admit it.

It wouldn't have been too bad if that's all it was, but he was simpering after her like a lost puppy when she was around (luckily wasn't often because she went to uni out of town) and once straight up tried to get her to come home with him WHILE I WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE.
In the end I feel worse for him to be so hung up on this girl who's been rejecting him for seven years (so much that he neglected his long term girlfriend who was all ready to move in with him and move across countries with him ramble ramble...)

I fall for bad guys because I think every guy is just waiting to lose his temper and hit me. So I may as well be with a guy that lets me see it coming. It's subconscious but at least I am aware of it now.

I completely get that too, to an extent. No idea where it comes from, but I'm inexplicably attracted to angry, temperamental young men. The guy I'm after at the moment, none of my friends like him because once he rage-punched my friend in the arm just for making a stupid joke about his name. (He doesn't do that kind of thing THAT often, though, honest...)
Thinking about it, he fits into my nice-people-still-have-the-capacity-to-cheat example, if you count kissing as cheating. He got a chance with a girl he'd loved for a while, felt terribly guilty, broke up with his girlfriend straight after, didn't touch the other girl again and now hates the song that was playing at the time he did it.
So, angry, violent, arguably a cheater, generally embarrassing to take out in public, but a nice guy!

... what am I getting myself into? >_>

If your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband/sex robot/other offered you a 'hall pass' IE; a chance to go sleep with someone else without her/him/it having a problem with it - would you take that chance or would you prefer not to?

My first boyfriend gave me a free pass with girls (where I'm bi) but I completely wasn't interested, it seemed far too seedy.

In fact, once I was in an open relationship kind of deal with a guy I was deeply in love with but he didn't love me, and I turned down some offers from pretty guys, even though my partner was getting off with girls when he could. I guess if I really love someone, I just have no desire to be with anyone else.

Also, I feel like this whole post has just revealed the rather detrimental nature of my love life...

 

[JeffBergGold]

I think that the point was that if it was pure baser instincts driving us to seek out more partners to spread our genes, then those pure baser instincts would also drive us to go for those who are of child producing ages as well.

How are you drawing the conclusion 12 year old = most desirable mate?

Just because a woman reaches maturity doesn't mean men are going to start pursuing her exactly as she reaches that point.

If you are arguing for pure basic instincts he could have just as easily gone with killing, as a large number of us know a few people who we would gladly be rid of if it could be done, but resist because of our ability to control our base urges.

I'm not arguing for "pure basic instincts" I'm just saying that cheating is normal and relatively harmless.

Also not everyone has the propensity or ability to kill. If you're frequenting this forum I'm pretty sure no matter how much you dislike someone you'd be incapable of killing them. Lets be real here.

Also what you and he are describing is Ephebophilia, pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent individuals, not post-pubescent which is what he described.

In America what he described would be considered pedophilia. Pedophilia in the United States and throughout most of the western world is engaging in sexual activities with someone who is under the legal age of consent. Since this is a forum frequented by people who are from western societies I used the framework in my response.

Pedophilia would still be correct, thanks for the suggestion though.

 

[JeffBergGold]

I'm glad I was able to provide you with some entertainment. Still though, everything I stated is true.

The above statement is false.

Source: science.

You got me there!

The only thing more hilarious than your link is your statement that humans were not designed to be monogamous. Which is utterly meaningless as there's no evidence whatsoever that humans were designed at all.

So you're hinging your refutation of the information based on the use of the word design? Talk about grasping at straws.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=infidelity+percentage&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

There are literally thousands of sources feel free to pick one that meets your standards.

 

[M920CAIN]

I have never cheated. /thread.

 

[MasochisticAvenger]

I'm glad I was able to provide you with some entertainment. Still though, everything I stated is true.

The above statement is false.

Source: science.

Hagi is awesome

Source: That post.

Oh and JeffBergGold, if you need to believe all men cheat to help you get through your miserable little life, that's alright. Just know, I feel really really sad for you.

 

[hazabaza1]

I'm gonna have to mimic these Nathan Fillion gifs, at least spiritually.
Saying "All men cheat" is as valid as saying "All women cheat." It's obviously false and stupid and anyone who says it is a fucking idiot.

B-but don't you see? Women only cheat because of THE PATRIARCHYtm! Men cheat because they're bastards who deserve genocide.

Uhhh... alright then. Sorry, but I'm not quite sure, are you trying to start some kind of feminism discussion with me? Because these kinds of debates have been way overdone in the last few weeks so I'm trying to avoid them nowadays.

 

[JeffBergGold]

I'm glad I was able to provide you with some entertainment. Still though, everything I stated is true.

The above statement is false.

Source: science.

Hagi is awesome

Source: That post.

Oh and JeffBergGold, if you need to believe all men cheat to help you get through your miserable little life, that's alright. Just know, I feel really really sad for you.

You want to know something? I am 23 as well. I completed university, but discovered I didn't actually want to use my degree. Right now, I am on government money and when I do get a job it will more than likely be something really basic like a call centre or a warehouse job. I still live with my parents, and right now it's looking like moving out won't be an option for a long time.

I never said all, just most

In Psychology I believe they call what you just did "projection".

 

[SciMal]

That was just the most convenient source. There are plenty others that confirm the 60% number.

Google Scholar will work better if you're really interested in confirming my previous statement.

I'm glad I was able to provide you with some entertainment. Still though, everything I stated is true.

From Google Scholar:

For married African Americans, the infidelity rate was 18 percent for women and 39 percent
for men...

Second, the rate of affairs in the present sample (14.2%) is lower than we expected in a
distressed sample of couples, though it is similar to the rate of infidelity in a nationally
representative sample of married couples (Atkins, Baucom, & Jacobson, 2001)

They then estimated that the infidelity rate is approximately 250,000 per million married men.

This suggests a relatively high infidelity rate of 33%, but our process of eliminating couples from various groups could have affected this rate.

Demographic and Health Surveys, which records an infidelity rate of 19% among men ages 25-49 years old over the last 12 months...

Your 60% isn't on the first 10 pages of Google Scholar. I've no idea where you got the 60% unless you just looked up the Wiki entry for 'Infidelity' and chose to use the largest number you could find.

 

[MasochisticAvenger]

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People can use numbers to prove anything. 45% of all people know that.

 

[Elate]

YES, WE ALL CHEAT, ALL OF US, EVERY SINGL-

Oh.. Oh what's that? Oh my this is quite unsettling news indeed. Apparently your friend has contracted a very serious case of the Herp derps and seems to have severe bullshittery.

No of course I don't agree, I've never cheated on anyone, that said I've decided to only be in poly relationships from now on so, screw your social standards.

 

[INF1NIT3 D00M]

Hi.

I'm Daystar Clarion.

You may know me from such social statuses as 'I've been with the same girl since I was 15', and 'Love is playing Borderlands coop with your significant other, then having sex with her'.

And I didn't cheat in any of them

My post would pretty much be the same as this. Both of those things are the exact same for me.
If I were held at gunpoint and forced to differentiate my post or die, I'd change Borderlands to Kirby's Epic Yarn or Rayman: Origins.

One serious relationship, never cheated, been dating since 15, play games together.
Though I've told her that if Ewan McGregor were to solicit me for sex, I'd have to accept. She seemed a little too alright with that.