Allah Says: MOAR NINJA WOMEN!

[Arachon]

Fair call. Europe is a big place.

I don't think many of the other European nations have many Muslims though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

There's pretty much Muslims all over Europe, we've got quite a fair of them in Sweden, and I for one welcome them, cultural diversity is a good thing, and their cooking is delicious :3

 

[Reveras]

Ye, France has always chosen to judge other countries based on their minorities programs while itself treats it's minorities like they were shit to step upon.

 

[Mimssy]

Fair call. Europe is a big place.

I don't think many of the other European nations have many Muslims though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

There's pretty much Muslims all over Europe, we've got quite a fair of them in Sweden, and I for one welcome them, cultural diversity is a good thing, and their cooking is delicious :3

Heck yeah cultural diversity! *passes a kabob*

 

[Mimssy]

Ye, France has always chosen to judge other countries based on their minorities programs while itself treats it's minorities like they were shit to step upon.

They also are throwing all the Roma out of France.

 

[Doth]

Should never have let them come here [Europe] in the first place.
It's good to see that they are doing something, albeit not much, in France.

Arabs aren't good for much apart from anti-semitism, and kabob.

 

[HandsomeJack]

Spoiler: Ninjas!

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This isn't about ninjas, or Muslim women, or Allah---well, not directly. See, France banned the wearing of full-length Muslim veils a couple of days ago, continuing to take what can be seen as a hard line on reining in their Muslim population.

I live in the United States. My country's religious intolerance has reached a point where even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad felt it necessary to stand up for the bulk of my countrymen. Seriously. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is talking sense. [http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/28405/ahmadinejad-islamic-countries-not-against-america/] And in the process he's probably saving American lives as fighters in the region take his counsel, which is more than Rev. Terry Jones (who ought to be shot as an enemy combatant for causing US soldier deaths in Afghanistan) can say for himself.

France, meanwhile? Poking the dog with a stick and seeing if it will bite. Europe is supposed to be this enlightened place, yet France quite possibly leads the world in religious intolerance. Not that I mind---anything that takes the heat off the good ol' USA can only be a good thing, but seriously, people.

[b]For discussion:[/b] Aw, fuck it. Open thread. About ninjas, Muslims, and ninjas fighting for Allah.[/QUOTE]

How ironic that you speak of the intollerance of others in such an equally bigotted manner...this is why we never seem to make progress in finding a middle ground. Founded statements that are not merely over-generalizations or hyperbole and a lack of little less demeaning tone will go a long way.

While certain actions of provocation are contemptable, we must also be examining the reasoning behind some of them. If a person walks around with thier face covered in my neck of the woods, often they are up to trouble (they do not want to be IDed)...it is unfortunate that this is in conflict with Islamic tradition. However, France does not have our Constitution or Bill of Rights, so if you dont like thier policy, dont live or do buisness there. I dont think they are "reigning in the muslim population" so much as covering security detail. I would look into what arguments were on the floor for passing such a law before assuming that must be the case.

Personally I do not think America is as intollerant as you say, it is simply that the loudest assholes tent to make headlines. If one man kills 1000 children and 5 million people do not, that one man makes the news. Also, why is Europe more enlightened...so far as I see, they make as many mistakes as any other civilized peoples.

Terry Jones has the right to do as he pleases in religious expression, political protest, etc. and that is his right since he lives in the USA. Spouting that he should be shot isnt productive. What would be is a concerted effort by fellow Christians to expose his behavior as decidedly UNchristian and undermine his following as they realize he leads them astray. Law does not enforce tact, but social pressure does.[/quote]

It is not Terry Jones' decision to burn a Quran (which yes, he did retract, but only under very heavy pressure) that makes me say he should be shot dead where he stands.

His decision, picked up by the media and learned about in the Arab world, led to at least 14 confirmed casualties when Afghan rebels used it as a rallying cry for an attack on a US military post in Afghanistan. It was an attack caused directly by Jones's actions, making him no better than an enemy combatant. As the saying goes, "if you don't want to stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them."

Terry Jones rendered aid to the enemy in wartime (indirect aid, but aid nonetheless) leading to the death of soldiers on our side. He is a despicable, disgusting man, and sometimes it's necessary to make an example of such a person. A public execution might undo some of the damage---although as I mentioned, even [i]Mahmoud Fucking Ahmadinejad[/i] felt it necessary to say something![/quote]

Isnt public executions to coerce people to thinking/acting the way we want them to the tool of the enemies of our troops are facing? It does us no good to become the evil we fight. Though Jones should contemplate his part in those deaths, first address on this should be to the people who did the killing. Jones' comments do not remove the free wills of those men, they made thier choice. They decided for themselves to kill in response to incivility. Frankly the choice to kill over being offended is far more contemptable than to offend someone over people killing.

 

[SimuLord]

Spoiler: Ninjas!

[/spoiler]

This isn't about ninjas, or Muslim women, or Allah---well, not directly. See, France banned the wearing of full-length Muslim veils a couple of days ago, continuing to take what can be seen as a hard line on reining in their Muslim population.

I live in the United States. My country's religious intolerance has reached a point where even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad felt it necessary to stand up for the bulk of my countrymen. Seriously. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is talking sense. [http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/28405/ahmadinejad-islamic-countries-not-against-america/] And in the process he's probably saving American lives as fighters in the region take his counsel, which is more than Rev. Terry Jones (who ought to be shot as an enemy combatant for causing US soldier deaths in Afghanistan) can say for himself.

France, meanwhile? Poking the dog with a stick and seeing if it will bite. Europe is supposed to be this enlightened place, yet France quite possibly leads the world in religious intolerance. Not that I mind---anything that takes the heat off the good ol' USA can only be a good thing, but seriously, people.

[b]For discussion:[/b] Aw, fuck it. Open thread. About ninjas, Muslims, and ninjas fighting for Allah.[/QUOTE]

How ironic that you speak of the intollerance of others in such an equally bigotted manner...this is why we never seem to make progress in finding a middle ground. Founded statements that are not merely over-generalizations or hyperbole and a lack of little less demeaning tone will go a long way.

While certain actions of provocation are contemptable, we must also be examining the reasoning behind some of them. If a person walks around with thier face covered in my neck of the woods, often they are up to trouble (they do not want to be IDed)...it is unfortunate that this is in conflict with Islamic tradition. However, France does not have our Constitution or Bill of Rights, so if you dont like thier policy, dont live or do buisness there. I dont think they are "reigning in the muslim population" so much as covering security detail. I would look into what arguments were on the floor for passing such a law before assuming that must be the case.

Personally I do not think America is as intollerant as you say, it is simply that the loudest assholes tent to make headlines. If one man kills 1000 children and 5 million people do not, that one man makes the news. Also, why is Europe more enlightened...so far as I see, they make as many mistakes as any other civilized peoples.

Terry Jones has the right to do as he pleases in religious expression, political protest, etc. and that is his right since he lives in the USA. Spouting that he should be shot isnt productive. What would be is a concerted effort by fellow Christians to expose his behavior as decidedly UNchristian and undermine his following as they realize he leads them astray. Law does not enforce tact, but social pressure does.[/quote]

It is not Terry Jones' decision to burn a Quran (which yes, he did retract, but only under very heavy pressure) that makes me say he should be shot dead where he stands.

His decision, picked up by the media and learned about in the Arab world, led to at least 14 confirmed casualties when Afghan rebels used it as a rallying cry for an attack on a US military post in Afghanistan. It was an attack caused directly by Jones's actions, making him no better than an enemy combatant. As the saying goes, "if you don't want to stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them."

Terry Jones rendered aid to the enemy in wartime (indirect aid, but aid nonetheless) leading to the death of soldiers on our side. He is a despicable, disgusting man, and sometimes it's necessary to make an example of such a person. A public execution might undo some of the damage---although as I mentioned, even [i]Mahmoud Fucking Ahmadinejad[/i] felt it necessary to say something![/quote]

Isnt public executions to coerce people to thinking/acting the way we want them to the tool of the enemies of our troops are facing? It does us no good to become the evil we fight. Though Jones should contemplate his part in those deaths, first address on this should be to the people who did the killing. Jones' comments do not remove the free wills of those men, they made thier choice. They decided for themselves to kill in response to incivility. Frankly the choice to kill over being offended is far more contemptable than to offend someone over people killing.[/quote]

I don't buy the "we're no better than our enemies" argument. In war one must always make use of every available option because "playing fair" hands the advantage to the enemy. Fourteen US soldiers died---their deaths could have been prevented. Terry Jones is no better than an enemy combatant and should be treated as such. I say we stick a nice shiny bullet right in the back of his damn fool head as an example to anyone else who would put our soldiers in harm's way through their actions.

 

[Jack and Calumon]

I think it's shocking that I am not allowed to wear a hood in any shop of Britain and yet they can walk in and be Gary Motherfucking Oak for all I know. I wear my hood for a reason. BECAUSE IT'S COLD!

Honestly, if a man get's distracted by your beauty then... Ummm... I don't know what you do. Can someone tell me what you would do? This is going to be stuck in my head for a while.

Calumon: They must get hot in the summer.

 

[Vrach]

I don't know. On one hand, tolerance is great. On the other, showing tolerance to religions is like being nice to an asshole - all well and good in general theory but when you think about it, doesn't really make much sense x.x

Thing is, I hate seeing religion getting special treatment. Look at the Brits. They go ahead and ban hoodies. People complain, but can't really do much about it. But religion gets poked and they just pull a "religious intolerance" argument out of their arse and all the morons flock to support.

It's like the case with anti-racism and feminism. To a point cool, you want equality and that is what we should strive for. But when you go overboard and cry for superiority saying it's equality, that just makes you stupid. No, not even look stupid, just sheer stupid, you're just flipping the coin now and making yourself the asshole.

Same with religion. They want equal treatment, I'm cool with that. But when they wanna have extra rights for believing in fairy tales, just sod off.

Ninjad by Jack Calumon, slap him for me!

 

[C95J]

For discussion: Aw, fuck it. Open thread. About ninjas, Muslims, and ninjas fighting for Allah.

Thread title = WIN

 

[SimuLord]

I think it's shocking that I am not allowed to wear a hood in any shop of Britain and yet they can walk in and be Gary Motherfucking Oak for all I know. I wear my hood for a reason. BECAUSE IT'S COLD!

Honestly, if a man get's distracted by your beauty then... Ummm... I don't know what you do. Can someone tell me what you would do? This is going to be stuck in my head for a while.

Calumon: They must get hot in the summer.

Perhaps the founding of a Church of Chavology might be in order? After all, there's a Church of Body Modification in the US---they even tried to get a girl's suspension from school for having a piercing overturned.

 

[lacktheknack]

Full length veils aren't actually required by the Koran, can someone verify this for me?

 

[khaimera]

Sorry, I can't comment. I'm too busy laughing at Allah typing like an idiot. He actually says Moar. LOL

 

[Gage540]

This law is not permanent in France as far as I know it is only taking place because of the anniversary of a bombing on a train by a man wearing the full veil in order to conceal a bomb he had attached to himself. I think that this is fine for one day but if it is wrong and France is banning wearing it all together then it's the equivalent of telling people they can't wear a crucifix around their neck or a star of david.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

See, France banned the wearing of full-length Muslim veils a couple of days ago, continuing to take what can be seen as a hard line on reining in their Muslim population.

Major problem being that the veil isn't actually part of the Religious dress of Muslims. It's an affectation, like Catholic rosary beads, but it's not sacred at all.

Other problem being if you've banned hijabs, you also have to ban mitres, habits, Native American war-paint, or cycling masks.

But then, it's the French that took Scientology to court...

Whole ugly argument that's spiralling away.

 

[Woodsey]

First of all; There are far more muslims in Europe than in the US. In the capital of my country, they have taken over entire regions in the city, where they enforce sharia law on women and gays. Some even refer to it as the "muslim problem."
Second: It's for identification purposes.
Third: Team Ninja has taught me that female ninjas display extreme amounts of cleavage. Ergo; muslim women are not ninjas.

Is the "Muslim problem" in any way related to the "Jewish question"? You Europeans and your clever little catchphrases...

You can't just clump Europe together in the same way you can group large portions of the US with each other - yeah it's big, but you're still dealing with the overall culture of one country when it comes to the US.

But yeah, I stand by my own view that France's ban is stupid. Sarkosi even said the reason he was putting his weight behind the ban was because it's distinctly "not French", I don't even remember him mentioning it as being a matter of security.

If it's such an issue with banks and stuff, then just let the (tiny minority of) people that wear fully-encompassing burqas know that they will be expected to reveal their face for security reasons, and as such will be required to wear one with a removable face-a-ma-thing if they plan to enter the building. Instead,what they've done is make an already highly-persecuted group of people (if anyone tries to tell me 1/7 of the world's population are terrorists/people who want to destroy the West, I will come to their house and punch them in the face) officially persecuted by their country' government.

Oh yeah, ::NEWSFLASH:: people, Muslims aren't all from the Middle-East. I hear some were even born in countries just like France, America and Britain and are Muslims too. Shock and awe.

 

[Doctor VonSexMachine]

So long as they keep bringing me the donar kebab, I'm totally down with whatever they want to wear.
Besides, if they want to do things like vote or file a police report, I am sure they would have no problem IDing themselves to a female in another room.