Am I a bad gamer?

[TorqueConverter]

Yes, you are a pox to all gaming, as should trade in your consoles and games, and use the money to donate to child's play. There is one reason, and one reason only the industry is failing, and you are the type of person responsible.

Either that, or you could just be someone who experiences games different than what is popular in some cases, who has a skill level not nessiarily standard (good or bad) and still plays the games despite it. So, yeah, you are normal. Huh.

Actually I would say this sort of person is a pox to all gaming, you know the sort of person who thinks its all about skill and being "hardcore", when the whole point of games are to entertain.
Anyway Are you me?
I agree with everything you just said, apart from the games with no story bit, usually I avoid them like plague but there are one or two acceptions like angry birds. I only like ME3 multiplayer cos I can play as mass effect aliens, and customise them. I dont understand people who play as humans.

I know what you mean, except I tried playing as a turian and because of their body shape I found it awkward to aim/shoot..Im just wating untill I can unlock the drell (and being able to play as female is nice too)

1. actually Im not that bad at multiplayer (ME3 multiplayer, since thats the only one I play regualry)

No wonder, its easy as fuck. I'm pretty sure they tested the difficulty on monkeys, then decided it was not easy enough.

well mabye it is easy then...


but I prefer ME3 multiplayer...to sommthing ike battlefeild 3 is because..well its actually interesting, its in 3rd person (which is a preference of mine) and I have a better grasp of it overall..and I can play as an alien/female

Judging by your user name I take it you enjoyed Fallout 3? That game has a terrible story. I adore Fallout 3 but not for the story. That game provided me with a rich and detailed game world to go get lost in. I had such a good time with that game. I am very glad the game didn't play like it was on rails trying to tell me a story. The instant I stepped outside that vault, I waved goodbye to the story and went off to play (survive and fear for my life) in the sandbox world.

It seems as if story driven breeds linearity. I don't want linearity in my video games, do you?

 

[Vault101]

It seems as if story driven breeds linearity. I don't want linearity in my video games, do you?

ummm...yeah? why wouldnt I?

you talk like liniarity is a bad thing...why?

somtimes liniarity means the game has focus and the story comes off stronger...like the Mass effect games...are more linear that other RPG's but they are my absolut favorite

Skyrim on the other hands....can be as un-liniar as you wish..but the trade off that (personally) is that the whole thing is so unfocused I have no motivation to do anything..because the main story isnt all that interesting...its like im just an emptyspace in the game world to be filled by anything..rather than a "part" of it

I did enjoy fallout 3...I liked the story..I was emotionally attatched and I had a clear purpose as to why I was in the wasteland (not that I didnt screw around..there was plenty of that)

itd all down to personal taste

 

[TorqueConverter]

It seems as if story driven breeds linearity. I don't want linearity in my video games, do you?

ummm...yeah? why wouldnt I?

you talk like liniarity is a bad thing...why?

somtimes liniarity means the game has focus and the story comes off stronger...like the Mass effect games...are more linear that other RPG's but they are my absolut favorite

Skyrim on the other hands....can be as un-liniar as you wish..but the trade off that (personally) is that the whole thing is so unfocused I have no motivation to do anything..because the main story isnt all that interesting...its like im just an emptyspace in the game world to be filled by anything..rather than a "part" of it

I did enjoy fallout 3...I liked the story..I was emotionally attatched and I had a clear purpose as to why I was in the wasteland (not that I didnt screw around..there was plenty of that)

itd all down to personal taste

You and I are as far apart as possible on this issue but I understand your desire for srory driven games. It's basic human empathy.

I dislike linearity as has a tenancy to turn a game world into a set piece for the story rather than a world. I'm trying to think of an analogy to communicate why is dislike set pieces.

Would you rather explore a real Star Ship Enterprise, or explore the set pieces they used to film the TV series, assuming both are within the realm of reality? I dislike the invisible walls of story telling set piece maps. I much prefer a a game world I can explore and become immersed into. While sandbox and story driven are not necessarily mutually exclusive, they often are when applied to a video game.

 

[Vault101]

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like I said...personal taste, thats why we have different genres of games

just because somthing is sandbox does not mean it cant have somthing resembling a story..regardless of what people say I thourght saints row 2 had a very ineresting story...screwing around in a sandbox world isnt enough by itself...the novelty has long worn off since I was a kid playing GTA the first time..

bioth screwing around and story missions compliemtn each other well

I like set peices..but I also understand they can be ovrused and arnt a substitue for actual gameplay

 

[TheVioletBandit]

If your having fun, your doing it right. Gaming is about having fun, right?

 

[DesertMummy]

If you are a bad gamer, fret not, because we're basically exactly alike. So if that makes us bad gamers, then who cares, right? I'm sure there's like a thousand of us "bad gamers" out there, so let's just keep doin' what we're doin', sound like a plan?

 

[BreakfastMan]

Yes. You are a terrible person and the cause of all that is wrong with video games today. You are the type of person that is dragging the industry down into the casual pile of crap that it is today. You are holding games back from their true artistic potential. Games were infinitely better back in the 80's and 90's and if you do not realize that, there is no hope for you to ever be worth something as a person. You are the worst type of person imaginable. You are ruining games for true gamers like myself, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed. You should just stop playing games now before you ruin them any further.

There, does that make you feel any better? I mean, come on. Is your self worth that low that you care if people think you are a bad gamer or not? If you think that you are a bad gamer... Don't. Because you are not. The only people who would say you are or stuff like the paragraph above are not worth your time or consideration. Because they are joyless assholes fishing for attention. Screw 'em.

 

[lacktheknack]

No, you're just a different KIND of gamer. There are more relaxed and story-driven games that cater to your tastes, try looking for them.

If you like adventure games, there's a huge library of classics that you would LOVE.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

I don't find story all that important. Its good to have but I just need a game to be fun.

 

[Zen Toombs]

-OP Snip-

'Sup Vault! I didn't realize it was you who made this thread.

Anyways, nope you are not a "bad gamer". Much of "games are getting too easy" is players getting better at games, not the games getting easier. Also, videogames are a fantastic interactive medium, and there's nothing wrong with preferring story to pure gameplay.

So have fun your way, and the dullards can have fun their way. Everybody wins!

 

[Flailing Escapist]

I wouldn't call you a bad gamer-

4. cutscenes- I LIKE cutscenes, they are somthing to look forward too (not games that over do it though...*cough*yakuza*cough*) Saints row 2, Red dead redemption, Deus Ex..whatever you would call Mass effect...they all add somthing to the game (for me) and no..I dont get annoyed at them

But maybe watching movies is more for you./snark

Okay, I kid... kinda. But I don't get that. The cutscenes you LIKE are probably the cutscenes where the main character is having more fun than you are and I HATE those cutscenes. Matter of fact- fuck cutscenes, they do nothing but take you out of the game. Imagine if your movie was spliced in with bits of text crawl just because the narrator has a really, really nice voice. I'm not saying there can't be "good" cutscenes but they should only belong at the beginning or ending of the game/level/etc or in transitions. But seriously, fuck cutscenes.

they are somthing to look forward too

Really? Reeeeeeeeeaaaaaallly????

1. most people say that games thease days are too easy..while I can sort of see that...I still dont often breeze through without some difficulty..in fact I know if Im doing well then the game is probably rediculously easy...:/

Okay, play through one game, any game, on the hardest difficult possible. It'll feel like hell and it'll take you much longer to beat than it usually would but you'll get a lot better at "playing" (loosely defined) games on Normal or harder difficulties. Actually, you should probably play through most of your games on the hardest difficulty possible. Then you'll get better at gaming, I promise.

you could argue that there is no "wrong" way to play/enjoy games..as with most things

I'm not going to agree with you because sitting on a cake simply isn't the way it was meant to be enjoyed. Not that you can't still enjoy it but you're kind of missing the point if you do that. If cutscenes really are something "you look forward too" I'd honestly/unironicly/unprovokingly suggest watching some more movies. There are about 1 billion movies out there, watch most of them and then come back to gaming to "game".

 

[Zen Toombs]

Yes. You are a terrible person and the cause of all that is wrong with video games today. You are the type of person that is dragging the industry down into the casual pile of crap that it is today. You are holding games back from their true artistic potential. Games were infinitely better back in the 80's and 90's and if you do not realize that, there is no hope for you to ever be worth something as a person. You are the worst type of person imaginable. You are ruining games for true gamers like myself, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed. You should just stop playing games now before you ruin them any further.

There, does that make you feel any better? I mean, come on. Is your self worth that low that you care if people think you are a bad gamer or not? If you think that you are a bad gamer... Don't. Because you are not. The only people who would say you are or stuff like the paragraph above are not worth your time or consideration. Because they are joyless assholes fishing for attention. Screw 'em.

Spoiler: Cookie

And I don't give those often.

So yeah, you seem to be a pretty cool person. Keep it up!

 

[Flailing Escapist]

Here's the deal:
You do not like a cheap, ego comparing fest known as multiplayer

That is EXACTLY what multiplayer is. It's not fun at all, it's all about the ego. I lovingly caress my ego at least thrice a day, oh yeah.
[sub]How did you guess?[/sub]

 

[DaHero]

Here's the deal:
You do not like a cheap, ego comparing fest known as multiplayer

That is EXACTLY what multiplayer is. It's not fun at all, it's all about the ego. I lovingly caress my ego at least thrice a day, oh yeah.
[sub]How did you guess?[/sub]

Given that I've seen how the multiplayer scene has developed over the course of around a decade, I think I speak from experience when I say this: Aside from the extremes on the bell curve, I have yet to meet an FPS gamer that wouldn't throw the keyboard and rage out when A) Their team fails, B) They just got dominated, or C) Their ego gets bruised.

Granted, there are exceptions, but those are too few and far between to calculate. FPS gaming always boils down into "my gun is more OP than yours"

Seriously, show me a multiplayer FPS that doesn't boil down to this: Memorize map, grab flavor of the month weapon (generally sniper rifle), dominate, watch kids rage.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Yes.

*actually reads thread now*

1. most people say that games thease days are too easy..while I can sort of see that...I still dont often breeze through without some difficulty..in fact I know if Im doing well then the game is probably rediculously easy...:/

This is sort of an aside, but a lot of people are bitching about Kingdoms of Amalur being too easy and how they cakewalked through it. That's awesome, except for the fact that only 5% of the gamers (as of a couple weeks ago) had beat the game on hard.

I'm always skeptical about claims that a game is "too easy."

agreed on this, usually the people who brag about it being too easy, are expecting to die 500 times before getting past one level like on battle toads, which i think is complete bullshit personally. Plus i have some friends who do this, most games, especially rpg's in a sense, can be "broken" through stats, either the alchemy+enchantment type combo (like in skyrim and the previous TES series) or the use of all OP weapons (such as one hit kill rockets/snipers) and they'll do those combo's to kingdom come, but then complain about the game being too easy...i mean yeah the developer probably didn't intend for those combo's to be so OP, but using them to full extent also doesn't help your argument on the game being "too easy".

OT: none of that makes you a bad gamer in the slightest. I myself am somewhat similar, i tend to enjoy my games through relaxing and seeing how things play out, rather than grinding my teeth and nearly having a hernia from being overly competitive against my opponent. (partially why i avoid some multiplayers)

I don't see you harming anyone's enjoyment of the games, so don't sweat it.

 

[Vault101]

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anyway the thing about cutscenes is it depends ENITRLY on what kind of cutscenes they are and how they are implemented

dont get wrong....I know when a cutscene drags on and on and Im thinking "why cant I just do this"hence why the best cutscenes are the ones that dont involve overly long action seauqnces that the player should be doing themselvess

take Red dead redemption..most of the cutscnenes are dialouge..charachters talking to each other...(thanks to good writing) I find them enjoyable because its the charachters doing their thing...it could be exactally the same if they were talking and I was in complete controll of the charachter (some might prefer that) but personally I see nothing wrong with directing my attention to a certain facial expression, action or line of dialouge


and who says I dont watch movies?...

 

[arnoldthebird]

That does not make you a bad gamer, there is no definition of a good gamer. People play games for enjoyment, if you enjoy what you are doing nothing should stop you. For me it's the opposite, I can play a game with great gameplay and no story and I will have a blast. But if the game is story heavy and the gameplay is not up to scratch I will get bored and play something else. If you enjoy yourself, then nothing else matters

 

[Flailing Escapist]

Here's the deal:
You do not like a cheap, ego comparing fest known as multiplayer

That is EXACTLY what multiplayer is. It's not fun at all, it's all about the ego. I lovingly caress my ego at least thrice a day, oh yeah.
[sub]How did you guess?[/sub]

Given that I've seen how the multiplayer scene has developed over the course of around a decade, I think I speak from experience when I say this: Aside from the extremes on the bell curve, I have yet to meet an FPS gamer that wouldn't throw the keyboard and rage out when A) Their team fails, B) They just got dominated, or C) Their ego gets bruised.

Granted, there are exceptions, but those are too few and far between to calculate. FPS gaming always boils down into "my gun is more OP than yours"

Seriously, show me a multiplayer FPS that doesn't boil down to this: Memorize map, grab flavor of the month weapon (generally sniper rifle), dominate, watch kids rage.

I'll admit that I haven't played every FPS and I avoid CoD games specifically because the "ego-stroking-rage-fest" is so great but I have gotten into several multiplayer games that are generally very fun. Yes, pretty much all of them have at least a little bit of what you're talking about but multiplayer gaming definitely isn't all bad - that's the point I'm trying to make. I've been playing multiplayer since Halo and CoD were the best on the pc and I wouldn't be still playing multiplayer games if it was just an ego trip.

 

[BreakfastMan]

Yes. You are a terrible person and the cause of all that is wrong with video games today. You are the type of person that is dragging the industry down into the casual pile of crap that it is today. You are holding games back from their true artistic potential. Games were infinitely better back in the 80's and 90's and if you do not realize that, there is no hope for you to ever be worth something as a person. You are the worst type of person imaginable. You are ruining games for true gamers like myself, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed. You should just stop playing games now before you ruin them any further.

There, does that make you feel any better? I mean, come on. Is your self worth that low that you care if people think you are a bad gamer or not? If you think that you are a bad gamer... Don't. Because you are not. The only people who would say you are or stuff like the paragraph above are not worth your time or consideration. Because they are joyless assholes fishing for attention. Screw 'em.

Spoiler: Cookie

And I don't give those often.

So yeah, you seem to be a pretty cool person. Keep it up!

Oh cookies! I love those! Thank you good sir! I will definetly try to keep being awesome. It is a hard job, but someone has to do it.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

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anyway the thing about cutscenes is it depends ENITRLY on what kind of cutscenes they are and how they are implemented

dont get wrong....I know when a cutscene drags on and on and Im thinking "why cant I just do this"hence why the best cutscenes are the ones that dont involve overly long action seauqnces that the player should be doing themselvess

take Red dead redemption..most of the cutscnenes are dialouge..charachters talking to each other...(thanks to good writing) I find them enjoyable because its the charachters doing their thing...it could be exactally the same if they were talking and I was in complete controll of the charachter (some might prefer that) but personally I see nothing wrong with directing my attention to a certain facial expression, action or line of dialouge


and who says I dont watch movies?...

Okay, you can have your cutscenes so long as I can say that I don't think you have your priorities straight.

personally I see nothing wrong with directing my attention to a certain facial expression, action or line of dialouge

This is what I'm talking about. A good story (you said you like story, right) doesn't have to zoom in on expressions or actions to get the story across. If a game has to do that many times maybe the story isn't all that good. Hmm?

and who says I dont watch movies?...

I do, or at least not enough, if you're looking forward to them over gameplay.

Whatever makes you happy. But it rubs me the wrong way; like sitting on a cake. Or like that Bioware writer who wanted to skip all the gameplayz! But if watching videos in games make you happy then by all means, enjoy yourself.