America, A nation of bullies. Fighting back? Or moving backwards?

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Jimson

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In recent months there has been a lot of work (ad campaigns, social action groups, school yard rules and regulations) put into place to stop the supposedly "Growing" threat of bullying, in both the physical, and virtual world. With so many cases being brought into the light, of children commiting suicide due to the way there bullies treated them. (And in some much darker cases the "aftermath" where the bullies continued to torment the family or even continue to make fun of the now dead "victim".

To start with you'll notice I put the word Victim in quotations, now, I am not here to get involved in a discussion about what EXACTLY qualifies as a victim, and what is merely a person going thru the up's and downs of life. But I will supply one thing, the www.Dictionary.com Defintion of Victim.
1.
a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: a victim of an automobile accident.
2.
a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency: a victim of misplaced confidence; the victim of a swindler; a victim of an optical illusion.
3.
a person or animal sacrificed or regarded as sacrificed: war victims.
4.
a living creature sacrificed in religious rites.

Now of course, we can rule out these bullied teens or pre-teens as being involved in religious sacrifices, and even performing actions seen as sacrificial (Such as, like the definition proposes War victims) now we are left with this cheated or swindled of there belongings, and those that fall prey to destructive acts or injurious actions.(To paraphrase of course) now, many people could argue that some of the most recent cases of people are victims of the former, those that have been swindled or led to believe that what is true is in fact false (as in the recent case with the girl who was convinced a guy she was talking to online was a real person, and later her tormentors revealed her folly, and she soon commited suicide). Of course there are also those who are beaten, and injured on a daily basis by there tormentors (even if this is in fact "emotional injury".)

Now only by progressing further can we make progress, the main reason I brought up victims, is that in past years, being bullied was not seen as a heinous crime to your persons. Just as you could not hold nature accountable for destroying your trailer, you can't hold children accountable for calling you a poop face during middle school because you fell in the mud. At least, that used to be the sentiment. Now we are trying to hold immature children, with a strong desire to fit in, and form a clique so they can begin there transition into adulthood. (I.E. the progression into adulthood resulting from learning the harsh lesson of yes, dear they are nice people but you just won't get along with them, so it's best to stay with those you like rather then try and hang out with people you hate just to look "educated" and "classy") For actions they, despite the attempts made by school officials can not truly fathom because, yes they can in fact process torment, and things of that nature, but during the developing hormonal period known as puberty, they revert back to the ME centric thought process of the so called "terrible 2's" but instead of just Me, it becomes WE (We being the immediate clique the child is involved in) this of course is evident in the way most teens treat there parents, I.E. acting like there immediate friends are in fact, now the most knowledgeable people they know because Janie knows how to open a beer bottle on a curb, and Johnny knows how to tie a noose. To sum it up, It's natural for a child to become introverted into there clique, and seek to alienate, and make examples of, of there other classmates.

So why the big deal all of a sudden? Most people point towards the internet, and texting, with such a huge wealth of information available to people in such an easy to retrieve manner, it soon becomes impossible for someone to not know something about you that you would really rather them not. Also, this allows for the bullying to occur outside of school grounds, further decreasing the safe zone the so called "Victims" has. Of course, there are a few details that are left out, and these of course include things like, How did they get your information, Why did you make that public, and Why didn't you just block or report all the users who abused you? Now lets start with the first question, that being how did they get your information, and I can answer that easily. Do you have a facebook? Do you have a first and last name (perhaps middle name) Listed on your face book? Do you have your highschool listed? Did you know there was a search bar where I can plug in all that information, and find you instantly, picking you out of the 200 other Joe Stanley Smiths on face book? To answer the second question, a lot of times, people misjudge the privacy of the internet, or they release information they think will not be a problem which later blows up in there face (all the tales of employees posting negative things about there work, and getting fired comes to mind.) And the third question, is harder to answer, a lot of the time, people don't know about blocking and reporting users, and other times, it just never happens, for what ever reason imaginable they just don't do it, either because they think it's hopeless anyway, or just because they feel it would only make it worse at school. So what can you do to stop this? First consider this, if you posted this on facebook, do you want everyone to read it, even the president of the united states? Secondly, remember there are ignore functions for a reason.


So finally, I do have one thing to say, and that is this. I feel America is not fighting back against bullying they are in fact pushing there way backwards, inhibiting the natural reactions children have, and instead of fixing the problem, we are infact making it worse by making it public, we are coddling those who need to know the world is hard, and it sucks ass, and killing yourself isn't going to solve anything, because in the long run, we all get fucked eventually, might as well get it out of the way early, and no, I am not a bully who feels a need to keep up my actions, thru out my entire Middleschool, Highschool, and even most of elementary school, I got my ass kicked, made fun of, threatened , and even had someone swing a heavy metal pole mere inches above my head.(as well as knives and various other weapons) So why would I be saying this? Because in the long run, we are making people weaker, by suggesting that these people are just messed up, and you will never find anyone in the real world even remotely like this. Seriously, I keep getting mugged/ my shit jacked more times then I can count. Does that sound like a world with out bullies? No, So what can you do? Prepare yourself, learn the signs, and the ways to avoid conflict, and you'll end up a lot happier. Stop being a victim. Stop being a Number. Become a Human again.


Tl;dr Bullying, Get over it you pussies.
 

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wow....that is a huge wall of text. While your point is somewhat valid...you could have the same thing with simply typing in:

"bullying is bad. Americans do it often. Discuss"
 

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Actually, If you read it as it was intended you would notice, I do not call Bullying bad, I in fact believe it is a natural course of human development, and people need to notice this before we lose something so valuable. (not the bullying it's self but the things we develop because of it) Discuss. :p
 
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Jimson said:
Actually, If you read it as it was intended you would notice, I do not call Bullying bad, I in fact believe it is a natural course of human development, and people need to notice this before we lose something so valuable. (not the bullying it's self but the things we develop because of it) Discuss. :p
Spoken by someone who has never experienced actual bullying. If you think bullying is natural and normal I think you are a little not right to be honest. There is nothing natural or good about bullying.
 

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I have to agree i believe the coddling needs to stop,even though i believe mental abuse is totally wrong as well as physical but the victims are usually overly sympathized to me.I personally find the act of committing suicide because you where picked on at school weak and pathetic.I especially frown on those children who commit suicide when they have loving families at home and they choose to take their own life without even thinking about the consequences or the toll it will take on their family.Life does not end with high school and middle school, toughen up get over it once you graduate you probably will never see those kids again.

EDIT:Before anyone who says oh you werent ever bullied.My middle school years where a life of ridicule and humiliation.The teachers didnt do shit for me and no one batted an eye, but i got over it and i grew up and come high school everything turned around for me.
 

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So....let me get this straight...

You are implying that getting your head dunked in the toilet is a valuable experience?

Sorry mate but a victim always think the other way around.
BTW i was never bullied. just putting it out there.
 

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Remember kids, bullying in America is bad when schoolchildren do it. You're supposed to wait until you're older so you can go into politics and do it to the rest of the world.
 

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I in fact have faced a lot of bullying, used to get my ass beat, even had a schizorphrenic loser be higher on the social rung then me, and beat my ass.
Glademaster said:
Jimson said:
Actually, If you read it as it was intended you would notice, I do not call Bullying bad, I in fact believe it is a natural course of human development, and people need to notice this before we lose something so valuable. (not the bullying it's self but the things we develop because of it) Discuss. :p
Spoken by someone who has never experienced actual bullying. If you think bullying is natural and normal I think you are a little not right to be honest. There is nothing natural or good about bullying.
If you do not see how Bullying is natural, then you have never watched any of the early 50's after school programs, bullying has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years. It is the way for humans to show superiority, over others, and to look even further, we develop things needed to survive in society because of it, Because to put it simply, there are always those whom will be the "victims" the problem is do they persevere and push forward, in the face of adversity and learn something about the world, or kill themselves, because the media and our monocentric society tell us, that everything that happens to you, is worse then anything else the world has ever faced ever, and if you can't take it then you don't have to.
Of course you would know this (and that I had been bullied even up until I was a senior, and I don't mean hurr hurr your a loser, I mean getting my ass beat, being terrified of going to school so much that I would force myself to throw up in the hopes that I would get the day off for being sick) If you had actually read my post.
 

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Glademaster said:
Jimson said:
Actually, If you read it as it was intended you would notice, I do not call Bullying bad, I in fact believe it is a natural course of human development, and people need to notice this before we lose something so valuable. (not the bullying it's self but the things we develop because of it) Discuss. :p
Spoken by someone who has never experienced actual bullying. If you think bullying is natural and normal I think you are a little not right to be honest. There is nothing natural or good about bullying.
It's not good, but it's without a doubt natural, otherwise nobody would do it. --Coming from a guy who USED to be.
 

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Jimson said:
I in fact have faced a lot of bullying, used to get my ass beat, even had a schizorphrenic loser be higher on the social rung then me, and beat my ass.

If you do not see how Bullying is natural, then you have never watched any of the early 50's after school programs, bullying has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years. It is the way for humans to show superiority, over others, and to look even further, we develop things needed to survive in society because of it, Because to put it simply, there are always those whom will be the "victims" the problem is do they persevere and push forward, in the face of adversity and learn something about the world, or kill themselves, because the media and our monocentric society tell us, that everything that happens to you, is worse then anything else the world has ever faced ever, and if you can't take it then you don't have to.
We are a species with a dominance hierarchy. It's really no different from our closest ape relative the common chimpanzee, except we don't quite go as far as chimps (I once watched a nature show where a chimp had its balls ripped off by a pack of other chimps then got left for dead in the jungle!)
 
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It's not good, but it's without a doubt natural, otherwise nobody would do it. --Coming from a guy who USED to be.
People don't do it because it is natrual people do it because it makes them feel good and big. Heroine also makes people feel good are suggesting that is natural too?

Jimson said:
If you do not see how Bullying is natural, then you have never watched any of the early 50's after school programs, bullying has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years. It is the way for humans to show superiority, over others, and to look even further, we develop things needed to survive in society because of it, Because to put it simply, there are always those whom will be the "victims" the problem is do they persevere and push forward, in the face of adversity and learn something about the world, or kill themselves, because the media and our monocentric society tell us, that everything that happens to you, is worse then anything else the world has ever faced ever, and if you can't take it then you don't have to.
Of course you would know this (and that I had been bullied even up until I was a senior, and I don't mean hurr hurr your a loser, I mean getting my ass beat, being terrified of going to school so much that I would force myself to throw up in the hopes that I would get the day off for being sick) If you had actually read my post.
Hit the damn enter key a couple of times you need to break up your paragraphs more. Besides that I don't think I am the only person who doesn't fully believe your "story". This is the internet. As I said if you do see bullying as natural and something should be encourage you obviously have somethign wrong you(probably something to do with the bullying) or are a little sadist like most bullies tend to be or at least act like. Last time I checked people don't consider sadism healthy.
 

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I agree, being ridiculed on a daily basis builds character. The character it builds happen to be suicidal. That mentally challenged girl that committed suicide because of bullying should have pulled herself up by her bootstraps and shrugged off that biological handicap. The foreign girl who was pushed down stairs should have used the elevator. Those kids who were abused by their parents and bullied about it when they told a friend should have just chosen to be born to someone else, it's so simple these dumb kids just don't get it.

The girl who was so lonely she turned to the internet to find some kind of companionship and was then misled by an adult neighbor posing as a boy should have chosen solitude.

If you look at it from the bully side of things, they do stuff so that they can become adults where it is morally correct to harass, insult, asssault others and is in no way illegal.

Everyone get off your heart medication, stop taking mood stabilizers, get out of your wheelchairs and stop whining. The world is unfair and by trying to improve it we just hold back what is natural.
 

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Rationalization said:
Waa Waa Waa, I think I am being funny by using "sarcasm" Something I learned when my mom told me she loved me.
If your only going to look at the extremes, as we are doing now, your going to ignore everything else. For that matter, A group of German's once killed hundreds of thousands of jewish peoples. Does that mean that all germans should die?
 

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Glademaster said:
SextusMaximus said:
It's not good, but it's without a doubt natural, otherwise nobody would do it. --Coming from a guy who USED to be.
People don't do it because it is natrual people do it because it makes them feel good and big. Heroine also makes people feel good are suggesting that is natural too?
I'm suggesting that the instinct to fight and kill is natural. So yes, I am suggesting that bullying is natural.

Heroine is a completely different and redundant topic that in no way applies here.
 
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SextusMaximus said:
Glademaster said:
SextusMaximus said:
It's not good, but it's without a doubt natural, otherwise nobody would do it. --Coming from a guy who USED to be.
People don't do it because it is natrual people do it because it makes them feel good and big. Heroine also makes people feel good are suggesting that is natural too?
I'm suggesting that the instinct to fight and kill is natural. So yes, I am suggesting that bullying is natural.

Heroine is a completely different and redundant topic that in no way applies here.
Not really you are suggesting that getting pleasure from anothers pain and anguish is a natural. You are suggesting that having a "Superiority Complex" thinking you are better than another person is normal. Which is in direct contradiction with the article saying that none of this abnormal so no person is superior to the other.

The instinct to fight may be natural but to kill is learned. Very few are born with a killer instinct. People don't kill because it is in them unless it is learned people kill as a necessity.

The reasoning behind my use of Heroine is not unnecessary or redundant people use it because it makes them feel good people don't bully out of the kindness of their hearts to help build a person's selfesteem and improve them as a person. They do it because it makes them feel good and fuck all the concequences out the window.
 

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SextusMaximus said:
Glademaster said:
SextusMaximus said:
It's not good, but it's without a doubt natural, otherwise nobody would do it. --Coming from a guy who USED to be.
People don't do it because it is natrual people do it because it makes them feel good and big. Heroine also makes people feel good are suggesting that is natural too?
I'm suggesting that the instinct to fight and kill is natural. So yes, I am suggesting that bullying is natural.

Heroine is a completely different and redundant topic that in no way applies here.
Babies come into the world kicking and screaming, some toddlers rip things to pieces, younger children argue alot and in days gone by people never used to be as violent because there were always wars to calm the Populace. AKA Medieval Europe, and everywere else for that matter.

Human nature is a violent one indeed, but unlike most animals is also capable of civility.
"Ordo Ab Kao" Or, order out of chaos, is the idea, that behind the chaos that you see, there is only truly order.
 

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Jimson said:
You forgot to mention that you got bullied. :\

Dominance is one thing but actually managing to scar a little kid for life? That i dont approve of ....ever.
 

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Jimson said:
If your only going to look at the extremes, as we are doing now, your going to ignore everything else. For that matter, A group of German's once killed hundreds of thousands of jewish peoples. Does that mean that all germans should die?
I never said anyone should be killed, not bullies not the in quotes "victims" not the the 10-12 year old nazi's who committed the holocaust and led a war against other nations children.

You don't think a daily environment of hostility is in anyway damaging to someone? Whether it be off-handed comments, or physical assault? What is more extreme than death? Honestly, you say I'm going to extremes by bringing up people who committed suicide because of bullying in a thread where you say the people who commit suicide because of bullying were too weak?

Most of the cases I brought up were where the teachers did nothing, no "coddling" as you put it, to make them weak. "Nature" ran its course.
 

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Glademaster said:
SextusMaximus said:
Glademaster said:
SextusMaximus said:
It's not good, but it's without a doubt natural, otherwise nobody would do it. --Coming from a guy who USED to be.
People don't do it because it is natrual people do it because it makes them feel good and big. Heroine also makes people feel good are suggesting that is natural too?
I'm suggesting that the instinct to fight and kill is natural. So yes, I am suggesting that bullying is natural.

Heroine is a completely different and redundant topic that in no way applies here.
Not really you are suggesting that getting pleasure from anothers pain and anguish is a natural. You are suggesting that having a "Superiority Complex" thinking you are better than another person is normal. Which is in direct contradiction with the article saying that none of this abnormal so no person is superior to the other.

The instinct to fight may be natural but to kill is learned. Very few are born with a killer instinct. People don't kill because it is in them unless it is learned people kill as a necessity.

The reasoning behind my use of Heroine is not unnecessary or redundant people use it because it makes them feel good people don't bully out of the kindness of their hearts to help build a person's selfesteem and improve them as a person. They do it because it makes them feel good and fuck all the concequences out the window.
You're misinterpreting my posts...

I know why you used heroine as an example, but you missed my original point. I never said they did it for pleasure. I said it was NATURAL. They are BORN READY TO FIGHT. As are lions, cougars, etc.

Pleasure has nothing to do with it in my opinion.

EDIT: As for the kill thing, I may be wrong or right - but this is strictly to do with bullying.