Ammo rationing at Wal-Mart as panic buying sweeps US

[mkb07a]

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You know what I have personally experienced from this nonsense? I'm a rifle instructor at a Boy Scout camp every summer, and it's been felt there. Summer of '08, ammunition was plentiful and we got a great deal because we literally have to buy thousands of rounds for seven weeks of campers (yes, rifle and shotgun are both merit badges). This summer, instead of being able to go through the big retail stores, we had to buy from an exclusive gun club out of one city in the state, because they were the only ones that had enough .22 ammo. The price was outrageous.

People, when the BSA is having to check every store in the state of New Mexico for ammo, there's a problem. I hate the people hoarding ammo like the zombies are coming tomorrow. It's completely unnecessary. You want to go out and plink? That's fine, I do it to whenever I'm home from uni. But .22 ammo? That's retarded. But Christ, it's not as if ammunition will disappear tomorrow. You don't have to stockpile today when three months from now, it'll still be there. You're just driving up the price.

And no, I'm not a member of the NRA. But my boyfriend is, and an NRA instructor. We take our guns seriously, but this is just unreal.

What Boy Scout camp?
Only one I can think off that I have ever been to is Camp Yawgoog...
Then again.
I been goin there 8 years...

Wait, the .22 ammo is going up?
Oh jesus.
The BSA is gonna be screwed in the coming future.
I hope to god we don't loose our awsome Shotgun and Rifle shooting courses...

Wehinahpay. Most people think of Philmont when they think of the BSA in New Mexico, but I'm at Wehinahpay and find it superior *fnarr fnarr*

Yeah, .22 ammo was hard as hell to find this year in the quantities we needed it. Yes, you can get a box or two of it at a hardware store, but 2000 rounds? It was a huge pain, and we ended up going through a gun club in Ruidoso to get the sheer amount we needed, at almost three times the price from the '08 camp season. If things don't settle down by next May there's going to be a problem getting it for the next season.

And as a rifle instructor, and with a boyfriend as the shotgun instructor (and now area director!), I appreciate your support of BSA shooting courses

Philimont was what I thought of first.
To be truthfull.
Then I remembered the one time I went there.
It sucked.
Way to hot for my tastes.
I like the warmness of 90.
Not like 110.

Aww.
Hell no! This is gonna suck.
And worst of all next year I'm gonna be the Shotgun instructer.
This year. I got to be the assistant because I was only 17.
*Sigh*
That means I'm gonna have to run around getting shotgun ammo!
Noooo!

Well why wouldn't I support BSA shooting courses.
Next to the Mess Hall's they are the most important thing!!!

Which is interesting that Philmont got so hot. No, the highest Wehinahpay gets, in the middle of July, is around 75. Plus it's at 8500 ft., plus it rains a bit every day. Yep, pretty much heaven on earth.

Well, technically your council will do the ammo-purchasing, since BSA usually has things like official purchasing orders IIRC. You won't be doing it unless you're at a smaller camp than Wehinahpay- your business manager and other bigwigs will do the searching. Shotgun ammo, in my experience from this past summer, wasn't nearly as hard to find as rifle ammo, but things may have changed by next summer. It's all up in the air right now, but it's not as if BSA camps are just going to get rid of shooting sports period, or leave only archery. Since it's considered an integral (though not necessary) aspect of BSA, somehow, our camps will come up with the goods, one way or another.

It only got that hot one day.
Then again.
It could have been the humidity that made it so hot.
I never checked the weather.

Well.
I would have to ask.
HOw small is Wehinaphay?
Yawgoog, isn't that big.
Mabye 2 or 3 acres at its largest.

Wehinahpay is 323 acres, located in the surprisingly scenic Lincoln National Forest. It's a small camp, but it's growing every year (and will continue to do so, as long as fires stay away).

As much as you guys love to lol about it those "gun nuts" aren't all Republicans. Democrats and Independents alike occupy the ranks of the NRA and even non-members are also getting swept into the gun buying craze. You can't just write the whole issue off as 'lol gun nuts.' What's happening is that a lot of people are worried about a Democratic majority with a Democratic president pulling an England on us and beginning the process of chipping away at our 2nd amendment rights. You may not think they're a big deal, but look at how England has turned out since they basically trampled its citizens rights to firearms. The criminals still have guns, the cops actually HAVE guns now, and the citizens are left with their thumbs up their asses.

Now, I'm not a loony, I'm just spelling this whole issue out for the slow folks around here (because this is the internet, and retards are abound). Now, the election turnouts basically caused a massive snowball effect. At first you had the actual gun nuts, start buying up boxes of ammo and beginning the initial creep up of firearms and ammunition purchases. From there it just spread out more and more as the supply begins to dwindle and demand rises the effects of the rush become bigger. The hunters, competition shooters, and weekend plinkers start to see prices creep up and the stocks go down and they begin to start hording, then all the armchair warriors who just pretend to know about firearms start to tweak out and they start hording. Not long after you've got people who weren't really into firearms but supported the 2nd amendment collectively go "oh shit" and once all these new faces entered the firearms scene that's when all hell really broke loose.

There's been record numbers of first time gun buyers since Obama got elected. People who enjoyed firearms as a casual hobby, or just respected the 2nd amendment have exploded into the market with tons of new orders because of the good ole rules of supply and demand. Stocks are dwindling and they don't want to get left out in the cold.

This isn't just 'gun nuts' and whacked out Republicans. I'm very much an Independent voter and even I've mulled over getting a case or two of various ammo just to have for my occasional plinking at the range when the weather was agreeable while the getting was good. Even the often derided Wolf ammunition, which has long been "the cheap practice ammo" has seen a huge price increase because people are buying anything they can get their hands on. .22 ammo has doubled in price. Granted, it's still only about 40 bucks for a box of 500, but a doubling in price is still a doubling in price. Good luck finding those 500 round bricks too.

It's basic economics at its best. Is it retarded? Yep. Politicians in the US know better than to screw around with this issue, but Americans are a tempermental and easily excitable lot so those of us who do enjoy shooting are kind of SOL until this whole thing levels out. I personally can't wait for it to blow over, a 3 month wait on a damned AR-15 part is fucking ludicrous .

Yes, I am a NRA member, but I'm only a casual shooter. I can still count the amount of firearms I have on one hand, lol.

.22 ammo is outrageous right now. OUTRAGEOUS. And when you're buying it in the thousands, it gets unbelievable. That said, excellent summation of everything.

 

[Dragonblade146]

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You know what I have personally experienced from this nonsense? I'm a rifle instructor at a Boy Scout camp every summer, and it's been felt there. Summer of '08, ammunition was plentiful and we got a great deal because we literally have to buy thousands of rounds for seven weeks of campers (yes, rifle and shotgun are both merit badges). This summer, instead of being able to go through the big retail stores, we had to buy from an exclusive gun club out of one city in the state, because they were the only ones that had enough .22 ammo. The price was outrageous.

People, when the BSA is having to check every store in the state of New Mexico for ammo, there's a problem. I hate the people hoarding ammo like the zombies are coming tomorrow. It's completely unnecessary. You want to go out and plink? That's fine, I do it to whenever I'm home from uni. But .22 ammo? That's retarded. But Christ, it's not as if ammunition will disappear tomorrow. You don't have to stockpile today when three months from now, it'll still be there. You're just driving up the price.

And no, I'm not a member of the NRA. But my boyfriend is, and an NRA instructor. We take our guns seriously, but this is just unreal.

What Boy Scout camp?
Only one I can think off that I have ever been to is Camp Yawgoog...
Then again.
I been goin there 8 years...

Wait, the .22 ammo is going up?
Oh jesus.
The BSA is gonna be screwed in the coming future.
I hope to god we don't loose our awsome Shotgun and Rifle shooting courses...

Wehinahpay. Most people think of Philmont when they think of the BSA in New Mexico, but I'm at Wehinahpay and find it superior *fnarr fnarr*

Yeah, .22 ammo was hard as hell to find this year in the quantities we needed it. Yes, you can get a box or two of it at a hardware store, but 2000 rounds? It was a huge pain, and we ended up going through a gun club in Ruidoso to get the sheer amount we needed, at almost three times the price from the '08 camp season. If things don't settle down by next May there's going to be a problem getting it for the next season.

And as a rifle instructor, and with a boyfriend as the shotgun instructor (and now area director!), I appreciate your support of BSA shooting courses

Philimont was what I thought of first.
To be truthfull.
Then I remembered the one time I went there.
It sucked.
Way to hot for my tastes.
I like the warmness of 90.
Not like 110.

Aww.
Hell no! This is gonna suck.
And worst of all next year I'm gonna be the Shotgun instructer.
This year. I got to be the assistant because I was only 17.
*Sigh*
That means I'm gonna have to run around getting shotgun ammo!
Noooo!

Well why wouldn't I support BSA shooting courses.
Next to the Mess Hall's they are the most important thing!!!

Which is interesting that Philmont got so hot. No, the highest Wehinahpay gets, in the middle of July, is around 75. Plus it's at 8500 ft., plus it rains a bit every day. Yep, pretty much heaven on earth.

Well, technically your council will do the ammo-purchasing, since BSA usually has things like official purchasing orders IIRC. You won't be doing it unless you're at a smaller camp than Wehinahpay- your business manager and other bigwigs will do the searching. Shotgun ammo, in my experience from this past summer, wasn't nearly as hard to find as rifle ammo, but things may have changed by next summer. It's all up in the air right now, but it's not as if BSA camps are just going to get rid of shooting sports period, or leave only archery. Since it's considered an integral (though not necessary) aspect of BSA, somehow, our camps will come up with the goods, one way or another.

It only got that hot one day.
Then again.
It could have been the humidity that made it so hot.
I never checked the weather.

Well.
I would have to ask.
HOw small is Wehinaphay?
Yawgoog, isn't that big.
Mabye 2 or 3 acres at its largest.

Wehinahpay is 323 acres, located in the surprisingly scenic Lincoln National Forest. It's a small camp, but it's growing every year (and will continue to do so, as long as fires stay away).

Aww.
Damn.
Thats way bigger than Yawgoog...
Sorry I meant to put 200-230.

 

[mkb07a]

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You know what I have personally experienced from this nonsense? I'm a rifle instructor at a Boy Scout camp every summer, and it's been felt there. Summer of '08, ammunition was plentiful and we got a great deal because we literally have to buy thousands of rounds for seven weeks of campers (yes, rifle and shotgun are both merit badges). This summer, instead of being able to go through the big retail stores, we had to buy from an exclusive gun club out of one city in the state, because they were the only ones that had enough .22 ammo. The price was outrageous.

People, when the BSA is having to check every store in the state of New Mexico for ammo, there's a problem. I hate the people hoarding ammo like the zombies are coming tomorrow. It's completely unnecessary. You want to go out and plink? That's fine, I do it to whenever I'm home from uni. But .22 ammo? That's retarded. But Christ, it's not as if ammunition will disappear tomorrow. You don't have to stockpile today when three months from now, it'll still be there. You're just driving up the price.

And no, I'm not a member of the NRA. But my boyfriend is, and an NRA instructor. We take our guns seriously, but this is just unreal.

What Boy Scout camp?
Only one I can think off that I have ever been to is Camp Yawgoog...
Then again.
I been goin there 8 years...

Wait, the .22 ammo is going up?
Oh jesus.
The BSA is gonna be screwed in the coming future.
I hope to god we don't loose our awsome Shotgun and Rifle shooting courses...

Wehinahpay. Most people think of Philmont when they think of the BSA in New Mexico, but I'm at Wehinahpay and find it superior *fnarr fnarr*

Yeah, .22 ammo was hard as hell to find this year in the quantities we needed it. Yes, you can get a box or two of it at a hardware store, but 2000 rounds? It was a huge pain, and we ended up going through a gun club in Ruidoso to get the sheer amount we needed, at almost three times the price from the '08 camp season. If things don't settle down by next May there's going to be a problem getting it for the next season.

And as a rifle instructor, and with a boyfriend as the shotgun instructor (and now area director!), I appreciate your support of BSA shooting courses

Philimont was what I thought of first.
To be truthfull.
Then I remembered the one time I went there.
It sucked.
Way to hot for my tastes.
I like the warmness of 90.
Not like 110.

Aww.
Hell no! This is gonna suck.
And worst of all next year I'm gonna be the Shotgun instructer.
This year. I got to be the assistant because I was only 17.
*Sigh*
That means I'm gonna have to run around getting shotgun ammo!
Noooo!

Well why wouldn't I support BSA shooting courses.
Next to the Mess Hall's they are the most important thing!!!

Which is interesting that Philmont got so hot. No, the highest Wehinahpay gets, in the middle of July, is around 75. Plus it's at 8500 ft., plus it rains a bit every day. Yep, pretty much heaven on earth.

Well, technically your council will do the ammo-purchasing, since BSA usually has things like official purchasing orders IIRC. You won't be doing it unless you're at a smaller camp than Wehinahpay- your business manager and other bigwigs will do the searching. Shotgun ammo, in my experience from this past summer, wasn't nearly as hard to find as rifle ammo, but things may have changed by next summer. It's all up in the air right now, but it's not as if BSA camps are just going to get rid of shooting sports period, or leave only archery. Since it's considered an integral (though not necessary) aspect of BSA, somehow, our camps will come up with the goods, one way or another.

It only got that hot one day.
Then again.
It could have been the humidity that made it so hot.
I never checked the weather.

Well.
I would have to ask.
HOw small is Wehinaphay?
Yawgoog, isn't that big.
Mabye 2 or 3 acres at its largest.

Wehinahpay is 323 acres, located in the surprisingly scenic Lincoln National Forest. It's a small camp, but it's growing every year (and will continue to do so, as long as fires stay away).

Aww.
Damn.
Thats way bigger than Yawgoog...
Sorry I meant to put 200-230.

I figured you meant 200. The Yawgoog website said somewhere in the realm of 1800 acres, but I reckon it's like Wehinahpay and that's all wilderness, while the actual camp is only around 200. Wehinahpay just has big, open spaces between everything.

 

[Player 2]

As much as you guys love to lol about it those "gun nuts" aren't all Republicans. Democrats and Independents alike occupy the ranks of the NRA and even non-members are also getting swept into the gun buying craze. You can't just write the whole issue off as 'lol gun nuts.' What's happening is that a lot of people are worried about a Democratic majority with a Democratic president pulling an England on us and beginning the process of chipping away at our 2nd amendment rights. You may not think they're a big deal, but look at how England has turned out since they basically trampled its citizens rights to firearms. The criminals still have guns, the cops actually HAVE guns now, and the citizens are left with their thumbs up their asses.

Shotguns and rifles are legal for civilian use in England (my friend's dad owns 2 shotguns for instance), it's only the types of guns that can't be used for hunting/killing vermin that are banned (hand guns, machine guns). But English citizens don't actually have a right to guns, seeing as the British Parliament doesn't follow the American constitution. Also, ordinary police officers don't carry guns, only specialists like CO19 (London's equivalent to SWAT) carry them.

 

[MasterSqueak]

Craaap.

I'm down to my last .50 round!

 

[funksobeefy]

as soon as Obama takes away our right too bare arms shits gonna hit the fan and theres gonna be a civil war. I my self, though an Obama supporter will march along those who will fight to keep all of our rights right where they are.

it will just be one step closer to 1984

 

[Baldry]

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA!!!! We are just getting ready for the zombie robot nazi vampire outbreak. Quick to Kansas philly Nation.

OMG THERES NAZIS IN AMERICA WERE DOOOOOOOOOMMEEDDx2

 

[sneakypenguin]

Well, the thing about Liberals is that they have this inescapable feeling that they know how to run your life better than you do. From a position of power, they will attempt to enact legislation that fit there lifestyle and those of similar lifestyles which i call "the clique." If one is not in the clique then you are considered ignorant or brutish. What isn't understood is that most people don't share the same views about guns/tobacco/etc... so their opinions aren't considered with enthusiasm, instead they are discarded as rantings by gun-toting rednecks. I don't subscribe to those same ideals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Your Wiki-Fu is weak.....

Liberalism in the US has far different meaning than other countries. So his take on it is the "right" one when it comes to US politics.

 

[paragon1]

This is nothing. You should have sen the panic that ensued during the Tickle Me Elmo shortage of 1996. Try to imagine about 500 thousand overweight soccer moms waddling their fat asses across the malls of America. Remember the dinosaur stampede from King Kong? It was kind of like that but with more obesity.

Remember the time when there was a shortage on cakes, and people forgot how to make cakes? I watched a herd of soccer moms travel across a field, only to be amushed by another herd, in order to get the cake trap I had set up. What I saw that day, I will never unsee...

Oh no, no no no no no! [flashback] HIT THE DECK!! Oh god, they're everywhere! Get to high ground! Jack? JACK!? Oh God No! Not him, he was too young! [/flashback] *does shot of whiskey to calm nerves* Dark days man, dark days...

 

[paragon1]

Well, the thing about Liberals is that they have this inescapable feeling that they know how to run your life better than you do. From a position of power, they will attempt to enact legislation that fit there lifestyle and those of similar lifestyles which i call "the clique." If one is not in the clique then you are considered ignorant or brutish. What isn't understood is that most people don't share the same views about guns/tobacco/etc... so their opinions aren't considered with enthusiasm, instead they are discarded as rantings by gun-toting rednecks. I don't subscribe to those same ideals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Your Wiki-Fu is weak.....

Liberalism in the US has far different meaning than other countries. So his take on it is the "right" one when it comes to US politics.

You know, I'm really tired of some conservatives making up these myths about Democrats and liberalism in general. It's always the "special group" forcing it's agenda "down our throats" (because, you know, it's only that fringe majority of people who voted for Dems in 2008). This just "the Jews control Hollywood/the government/ Wal-Street/ whatever will make people dislike them most.

 

[Phlopsy]

There is no need to panic unless the world is literally running out of the raw materials needed to manufacture bullets, then the panic is completely unnecessary. The democrats don't want to take guns away, the crazy liberal zealots do. I may be liberal myself, but I really don't see the need to take weapons away from upstanding citizens, I also don't see why the gun nuts would be in such a panic over their own paranoia.

You forget, in the eyes of a conservative: Democrat = Crazed Liberal

Fair enough, if you accept that in the eyes of a democrat: conservative = retarded hillbilly with more guns than teeth. Of course, neither stereotype is correct, but there is the accurate small minority of each on both sides.

 

[FightThePower]

Cause you know, you're definitely going to need that Assault Rifle when terrorists invade your house.

I am so glad I live in a country where possessing firearms is illegal (well except for people who need them).

 

[The_ModeRazor]

Finally, they'll resort to much more personal tools, like swords and flails.
The blacksmiths shall rise again!

What would really suck is guns becoming available halfway through that whole scenario.

It'll be like cheating halfway through Age of Empires and getting the car to blow up the chariots.

Actually, I managed to kill 3 of them cars with my trusty army of horse archers and heavy cavalry
Modern weapons are overrated.

 

[inhuMANATEE]

Your Wiki-Fu is weak.....[/quote]

I dont get all my info from wikipedia, i prefer to form my own opinions based on my observations. you know like a human being. Don't be a tool

 

[TMAN10112]

For anyone who's been to a gun shop in the past year or two, this is old news.

For many gun-loving Americans, Mr. Obama's election caused (and is currently causing) a Now or Never mindset when it comes to guns like the AR-15, AK-47, and the cartriges that they shoot (Although mostly 5.56mm, since the military is using up a sizable portion of the available supply).

As for me, I'll be investing in reloading, and cheap surplus ammo left over from the days of the Soviet Union (7.62x39 & 7.62x54r for the win!).

Also:

Oh and they also want reloaders to get a manufactures license so they can regulate the equipment they use.

God dammit, this happens every time that I get into something new.

"Der gunna tEk mah guuuuuuns! Den dey gunna tEk eerrr JAAWWBS!"

I find that offensive.

 

[bilkobob]

For anyone who's been to a gun shop in the past year or two, this is old news.

For many gun-loving Americans, Mr. Obama's election caused (and is currently causing) a Now or Never mindset when it comes to guns like the AR-15, AK-47, and the cartriges that they shoot (Although mostly 5.56mm, since the military is using up a sizable portion of the available supply).

As for me, I'll be investing in reloading, and cheap surplus ammo left over from the days of the Soviet Union (7.62x39 & 7.62x54r for the win!).

Also:

Oh and they also want reloaders to get a manufactures license so they can regulate the equipment they use.

God dammit, this happens every time that I get into something new.

"Der gunna tEk mah guuuuuuns! Den dey gunna tEk eerrr JAAWWBS!"

I find that offensive.

It is old news, but I wonder how much of the recent run is due to hunting seasons nearing their opening for some of the types of ammo?

 

[Treblaine]

For anyone who's been to a gun shop in the past year or two, this is old news.

For many gun-loving Americans, Mr. Obama's election caused (and is currently causing) a Now or Never mindset when it comes to guns like the AR-15, AK-47, and the cartriges that they shoot (Although mostly 5.56mm, since the military is using up a sizable portion of the available supply).

As for me, I'll be investing in reloading, and cheap surplus ammo left over from the days of the Soviet Union (7.62x39 & 7.62x54r for the win!).

Also:

Oh and they also want reloaders to get a manufactures license so they can regulate the equipment they use.

God dammit, this happens every time that I get into something new.

"Der gunna tEk mah guuuuuuns! Den dey gunna tEk eerrr JAAWWBS!"

I find that offensive.

I'm sorry you found that offensive, I meant it only in light-hearted jest. (that was a very funny South Park episode)

BTW, I actually really support America's second amendment rights and I personally see it as the biggest and best example of why America is the freest country in the world, that truly knows what liberty is. To own a gun is one of the ultimate rights a citizen can have, for the incredibly potent power and responsibility that is entrusted with it.

The US Constitution's Second Amendment is the physical manifestation of the faith in the individual that they are NOT pre-judged as criminals and they are enabled in their FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT to self defence from ALL threats. It is the ultimate tool of self determination and representative of fair application of the law.

It would be against America's most basic principals for Obama to ban guns or otherwise restrict them more than they already are. To spite how liberal as he is, I hope he is SMART enough to know that the anti-gun crusade is wrong.

If I had my way I would get the UN to admit their anti-gun policy is ludicrous and has directly lead to the death of thousands if not millions. So frequently UN forces move into an area, disarm the civilian population to "unsure peace" then leave after a short while where the defenceless minorities are slaughtered.
I would really like the UN to pass a resolution enshrining the right to self defence and tools of self defence for every Human Being on this planet.

 

[JWAN]

For anyone who's been to a gun shop in the past year or two, this is old news.

For many gun-loving Americans, Mr. Obama's election caused (and is currently causing) a Now or Never mindset when it comes to guns like the AR-15, AK-47, and the cartriges that they shoot (Although mostly 5.56mm, since the military is using up a sizable portion of the available supply).

As for me, I'll be investing in reloading, and cheap surplus ammo left over from the days of the Soviet Union (7.62x39 & 7.62x54r for the win!).

Also:

Oh and they also want reloaders to get a manufactures license so they can regulate the equipment they use.

God dammit, this happens every time that I get into something new.

"Der gunna tEk mah guuuuuuns! Den dey gunna tEk eerrr JAAWWBS!"

I find that offensive.

It is old news, but I wonder how much of the recent run is due to hunting seasons nearing their opening for some of the types of ammo?

^ This
I hunt almost every season for almost everything
Deer (Black powder, Rifle, Shotgun seasons)
Turkey
Pheasant
Grouse
Elk
Wild Boar
Small game:
Rabbits
Squirrel
Coyote
They aren't trying to regulate reloading, there trying to find out how popular it is and if they can ban it under the radar while they push all of this health care "Change".

 

[Treblaine]

It is old news, but I wonder how much of the recent run is due to hunting seasons nearing their opening for some of the types of ammo?

Err, hunting season? You don't need THAT many bullets for hunting season, if you use more than one round for one deer then you're using too many.

Anyway the fact that even the .45 ACP round is in short supply does cast doubt on the Hunting season theory as though .45ACP is an excellent self-defence round, it has a very curved trajectory that means it is very inaccurate beyond about 25 yards. Deer hunting ranges are unlikely to be that close and with deer hunting you want to be VERY precise hitting several vital organs, so a rifle is necessary in a calibre like .308 Winchester.