...and at that moment I knew the game/franchise was dead.

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TT Kairen said:
votemarvel said:
ME3 saw the character class balance pushed far in the favour of the gun based classes
You... never played an Adept in 3 did you? I completely snored through Insanity, it was hilariously broken.
Carrying the lighest pistol you can get for that 200% reduction in power cool down. Then spam the Pull + Throw combo. Biotic Explosions everywhere. Replace Pull with Warp, Reave or a few other source powers for enemies that can't be pulled.

Good times.
Canadamus Prime said:
Not a gaming franchise, but Dragon Ball. Three words: Super Saiyan God.
Say what you want about GT and its various flaws, at least its trademark Super Saiyan form was visually distinct from predecessors in a way that isn't 'different hair color'.
 

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Hawki said:
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WOW is still a good MMORPG Hawki.
I'm not claiming it isn't, but there's a big leap in gameplay from the RTS games to the MMO format. There's many reasons why we're unlikely to ever get a Warcraft IV, and that WoW exists is one of them. So, in a sense, Warcraft, as an RTS, is dead. It's more or less a personal gripe, since I can't really get into WoW's gameplay, and that the only MMO I've ever really enjoyed is LOTRO.
I swear man your missing out on great moments in the game.

Some of the places you visit and the dungeons you brave are a sight to behold.
 

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I'm watching and I am so depressed about it! Are you kidding me?!?!? Spend 10 minutes holding down a gas pedal while you auto drive to the next point!?!?!?! I played FF1. Yeah. I am that old. Changed my life! (hyperbole, thy name is Gorfias). X was about my favorite game of Gen 6. (Halo and Halo 2 are competition) . X-2 was awful. 12: dull. 13: I bought the hint guide in hardcover and got too bored to continue past about 6 hours. I tried 14. In about 10 hours I did not engage in a single fight!!!! And now I see a review like this. It is VERY hard to imagine FF can come back after soooooooooo many fails.
 

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I was never convinced of halo 4 as a concept. There had been 5 halo games up till then which is enough, unless somebody had some brilliant idea to do something new. The covenant, the most interesting enemy faction, was split in two with the two halves which were defeated or at peace with the humans, the flood was exterminated, the monitor dead, the halo rings had little of interest to explore about them left so storywise there was certainly noreason to continue. The gameplay hasn't drastically changed since combat evolved and the single player has never gotten better, with the multiplayer being pretty much nailed in halo 2 and 3 already. In summary, there was no artistic reason to make another halo game. That said, even a mediocre halo game is a great game, so I got halo 4. I was not impressed throughout but it wasn't the worst thing ever either. The new main enemies where a step back from brutes, and three steps back from elites, the story was even more nonsense than the halo story typically was, but still, decent if I pretend the other halo games aren't all there already. Then there was the ending. A quicktime-event bossfight? Really? I know that halo 2's bossfights weren't great either (excepting the prophet of regret, who was great as a boss) but at least Cerberus and that heretic leader where an actual fight. And the halo 3 scarabs where pretty good too. And now I killed a telekenetic orc by sticking a grenade to his face with a quick-time event. Fuck that shit.

I also remember little pop-ups showing me alternative routes in crysis 2. In crysis one I just found an alternative route, or I made one. Because it had the space to do so.

I also ragequit guacemelee at the final boss. It had mechanics for juggling your enemies that simply where not used. Instead it became a sort of color coded quicktimeevent that was too hard for me because I am bad at video games. Fuck that shit.

Also, metroid prime. To be fair, I am hardly the biggest metroid fan. I only played metroid fusion before it and a tiny bit of super metroid on somebody elses console. Metroid prime died the moment I tried to play it. What the fuck where those controls? I can't look around. No seriously, in a first person exploration based game, how is looking around this impossible? I can't look up because the camera pulls down, I can't look right because nintendo doesn't get what that second stick on the controller is for and requires me to hold another button to turn rather than to strafe, I can't look where I want to because the controlls are far too finicky and shit to look myself. Instead I am stuck with a lock-on button so that nintendo can tell me where to look and so that I don't have to aim myself, taking half of the point out of the combat and all of the point out of exploring. This was replaced by some artificial color coded looking in different way technical gadget, apparently. How the hell do you make a first person exploration game where all the control over where and how you look at things is taken away from the player? I am honestly baffled both by the choice and by its popularity. It's successors where on the wii, good for nintendo on making a dumbtruck of money off their wii but I won't touch anything with motion controls with a ten foot pole.
 

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I'm watching and I am so depressed about it! Are you kidding me?!?!? Spend 10 minutes holding down a gas pedal while you auto drive to the next point!?!?!?! I played FF1. Yeah. I am that old. Changed my life! (hyperbole, thy name is Gorfias). X was about my favorite game of Gen 6. (Halo and Halo 2 are competition) . X-2 was awful. 12: dull. 13: I bought the hint guide in hardcover and got too bored to continue past about 6 hours. I tried 14. In about 10 hours I did not engage in a single fight!!!! And now I see a review like this. It is VERY hard to imagine FF can come back after soooooooooo many fails.
12 was awesome. Going to the Great Crystal to challenge Ultima was hype.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
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I'm watching and I am so depressed about it! Are you kidding me?!?!? Spend 10 minutes holding down a gas pedal while you auto drive to the next point!?!?!?! I played FF1. Yeah. I am that old. Changed my life! (hyperbole, thy name is Gorfias). X was about my favorite game of Gen 6. (Halo and Halo 2 are competition) . X-2 was awful. 12: dull. 13: I bought the hint guide in hardcover and got too bored to continue past about 6 hours. I tried 14. In about 10 hours I did not engage in a single fight!!!! And now I see a review like this. It is VERY hard to imagine FF can come back after soooooooooo many fails.
12 was awesome. Going to the Great Crystal to challenge Ultima was hype.
I should not want to know but.... and again, I really, really, really should not want to know but I cannot help myself but here I am writing it and, may G-d have mercy on my eternal soul for looking into it, dang me, dang me to heck forever but here goes... I'll have to see if it is BC to the PS4 and give it another try sometime as, I have to admit that distraction is as much of a reason to stop playing 12 as boredom (and frustration: so little seemed to be occuring after hours of playing). If I had to answer, it seemed better than 13 (which I still have and may try again someday). EDIT: Oh snap: https://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XII-Zodiac-Age-PlayStation/dp/B01GOQHDJ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481810240&sr=8-1&keywords=final+fantasy+xii

Did you play 13? Am I judging too harshly on that?
 

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Gorfias said:
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Gorfias said:
I'm watching and I am so depressed about it! Are you kidding me?!?!? Spend 10 minutes holding down a gas pedal while you auto drive to the next point!?!?!?! I played FF1. Yeah. I am that old. Changed my life! (hyperbole, thy name is Gorfias). X was about my favorite game of Gen 6. (Halo and Halo 2 are competition) . X-2 was awful. 12: dull. 13: I bought the hint guide in hardcover and got too bored to continue past about 6 hours. I tried 14. In about 10 hours I did not engage in a single fight!!!! And now I see a review like this. It is VERY hard to imagine FF can come back after soooooooooo many fails.
12 was awesome. Going to the Great Crystal to challenge Ultima was hype.
I should not want to know but.... and again, I really, really, really should not want to know but I cannot help myself but here I am writing it and, may G-d have mercy on my eternal soul for looking into it, dang me, dang me to heck forever but here goes... I'll have to see if it is BC to the PS4 and give it another try sometime as, I have to admit that distraction is as much of a reason to stop playing 12 as boredom (and frustration: so little seemed to be occuring after hours of playing). If I had to answer, it seemed better than 13 (which I still have and may try again someday). EDIT: Oh snap: https://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XII-Zodiac-Age-PlayStation/dp/B01GOQHDJ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481810240&sr=8-1&keywords=final+fantasy+xii

Did you play 13? Am I judging too harshly on that?
Never played 13, never will.

I despise the Fabula Nova Crystalis Final Fantasies.
 

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Chimpzy said:
Canadamus Prime said:
Not a gaming franchise, but Dragon Ball. Three words: Super Saiyan God.
Say what you want about GT and its various flaws, at least its trademark Super Saiyan form was visually distinct from predecessors in a way that isn't 'different hair color'.
I didn't like Super Saiyan 4 either, but at least it wasn't as pretentious as "Super Saiyan God" or as stupid sounding. And that's not even touching on whatever the hell that blue form is supposed to be. Or that red form "evil" Goku (which is another thing that I think is stupid) can achieve that I've seen clips of. Apparently we have technicolour Saiyans now.
 

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Canadamus Prime said:
I didn't like Super Saiyan 4 either, but at least it wasn't as pretentious as "Super Saiyan God" or as stupid sounding. And that's not even touching on whatever the hell that blue form is supposed to be. Or that red form "evil" Goku (which is another thing that I think is stupid) can achieve that I've seen clips of. Apparently we have technicolour Saiyans now.
The blue ssj is called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, or Super Saiyan Blue for short. It's supposedly what happens when a Saiyan who has god ki goes ssj, although DB Super has shown both Goky and Vegeta still capable of transforming into their regular yellow form.

The evil Goku is Goku Black, his ssj is called Super Saiyan Rose, and he's actually a Supreme Kai from an different universe who used the Super Dragon Balls to wish a body swap with Goku from an alternate timeline. It involves a bunch of universe hopping and time travel shenanigans. Also, he hates mortals, believes they're inherently evil and wished to destroy them all to end all evil. At least that's what I got from a quick look at that ark.

Which of course takes nothing away from the laziness of making the first new major villain in the series an evil version of the main character.
 

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I'm watching and I am so depressed about it! Are you kidding me?!?!? Spend 10 minutes holding down a gas pedal while you auto drive to the next point!?!?!?! I played FF1. Yeah. I am that old. Changed my life! (hyperbole, thy name is Gorfias). X was about my favorite game of Gen 6. (Halo and Halo 2 are competition) . X-2 was awful. 12: dull. 13: I bought the hint guide in hardcover and got too bored to continue past about 6 hours. I tried 14. In about 10 hours I did not engage in a single fight!!!! And now I see a review like this. It is VERY hard to imagine FF can come back after soooooooooo many fails.
The video skips around, but you don't actually have to drive at all, you only need to go to a place once and then you can just fast travel to it every time after wards, and you can let your party member drive in which case you don't have to touch the controller at all, once you get chocobos you can use those to avoid the roads, go anywhere you want, and just park the car as a fast travel point.

The fast travel system is pretty much as robust as it can be for an open world game, the only clunky part would be that you can't fast travel with the car at night, although you can still fast travel to where the car is parked from the map menu.
 

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Chimpzy said:
TT Kairen said:
votemarvel said:
ME3 saw the character class balance pushed far in the favour of the gun based classes
You... never played an Adept in 3 did you? I completely snored through Insanity, it was hilariously broken.
Carrying the lighest pistol you can get for that 200% reduction in power cool down. Then spam the Pull + Throw combo. Biotic Explosions everywhere. Replace Pull with Warp, Reave or a few other source powers for enemies that can't be pulled.
In the Citadel DLC, you can get your hands on an assault rifle that doesn't require ammo, does decent damage, has a high rate of fire, and is still light enough to get a 200% power CD reduction. It's insane.

Biotics in general were broken in 3. For a long time, everyone in the multiplayer just played the Vanguard and spammed Biotic Charge + Nova.
 

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Not sure when I made this realization but there's a point in Paper Mario: Sticker Stars where you come to realize that the combat system's best reward is avoiding it at all cost. I thought that Sticker Star was the death of Paper Mario but then Paper Jam happened and that made Paper Mario endearing again which is odd considering how slow and horrible the Giant Dream Fights in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.

It wasn't the motion controls that killed Star Fox Zero and Star Fox. It wasn't the awful camera controls/camera angles that killed Star Fox Zero and Star Fox. It was the fact that they were working together to make Star Fox Zero an awful reimagining of a really good arcade-style game.

F-Zero GX on the Gamecube was really good and that could be why there hasn't been any new entries in the series. 60FPS on the gamecube, anti-gravity racing before Mario Kart 8 'introduced' the concept.
 

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EternallyBored said:
The video [Angry Joe on FF 15] skips around, but you don't actually have to drive at all, you only need to go to a place once and then you can just fast travel to it every time after wards, and you can let your party member drive in which case you don't have to touch the controller at all, once you get chocobos you can use those to avoid the roads, go anywhere you want, and just park the car as a fast travel point.

The fast travel system is pretty much as robust as it can be for an open world game, the only clunky part would be that you can't fast travel with the car at night, although you can still fast travel to where the car is parked from the map menu.
Oh heck. That makes this sound playable making it so that I may have to spend $60 on it! In which my wife will have to kill me.

Decisions decisions. I just found out $10 gets Indigo Prophecy on Steam. Man I want that game too!
 

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Assassin's Creed: Black Flag.

It opened with a boring tour of a boring fucking game studio in the boring fucking future. Then someone started talking about boring fucking Desmond.

I mean, who makes a game about goddamn pirates then makes the player walk around a goddamn office? Who does that?.

I was already dismissive as hell of the AC series, but when the Game That Makes the Series Good Now No Really promptly dives headlong straight down every pitfall of the previous games I knew it was beyond recovery.
 

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pookie101 said:
far cry 3 when i realised im hunting endangered species because everyone on the island has access to state of the art weaponry but failed to understand the concept of simply going to a store and buying a bag.

metal gear solid 5 when i realised how batshit crazy the story is. in my defense id ignored the series up to then and jumped into this. okish openworld stealth game
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I second FarCry 3, I can remember the exact moment, too. I was driving along in a jeep when I noticed some green herbs pop up on my radar. I hopped out, harvested the things, and hopped back in my jeep, always watching the minimap and not once looking at the goddamn beautiful jungle I was trudging through. I spent probably 90% of that game staring at that fuckin minimap, which is a shame because the shooting is actually pretty tight, but I could not put up with the bullshit anymore
All you niggas need Ziggy's Mod.

Seriously. It makes the game 10x better.
First of all I am a console-honkie, so no mods for me.
Secondly of all, that's way too much work when I can just play another FPS that is actually good without needing someone else to fix it
 

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Chimpzy said:
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I didn't like Super Saiyan 4 either, but at least it wasn't as pretentious as "Super Saiyan God" or as stupid sounding. And that's not even touching on whatever the hell that blue form is supposed to be. Or that red form "evil" Goku (which is another thing that I think is stupid) can achieve that I've seen clips of. Apparently we have technicolour Saiyans now.
The blue ssj is called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, or Super Saiyan Blue for short. It's supposedly what happens when a Saiyan who has god ki goes ssj, although DB Super has shown both Goky and Vegeta still capable of transforming into their regular yellow form.

The evil Goku is Goku Black, his ssj is called Super Saiyan Rose, and he's actually a Supreme Kai from an different universe who used the Super Dragon Balls to wish a body swap with Goku from an alternate timeline. It involves a bunch of universe hopping and time travel shenanigans. Also, he hates mortals, believes they're inherently evil and wished to destroy them all to end all evil. At least that's what I got from a quick look at that ark.

Which of course takes nothing away from the laziness of making the first new major villain in the series an evil version of the main character.
Thanks. I knew what it was called, I just don't care. Actually the name is what I hate most about it. "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" that's a mouthful. No wonder it has a shorthand.
As for the rest, well thanks for explaining it, but I just don't care. The franchise is dead to me anyway.
 

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TT Kairen said:
votemarvel said:
ME3 saw the character class balance pushed far in the favour of the gun based classes
You... never played an Adept in 3 did you? I completely snored through Insanity, it was hilariously broken.
I played as an Adept primarily, through all three games.

First game all classes could become godly, some would argue over powered.

With the second game the biotics were tweaked so you could not affect shields or armour beyond a stun (Warp and armour being the exception of course). This wasn't a great issue because you could still carry the weapons you wanted without penalty.

Then we hit the third game. Here we still have biotics that are little more than stunning machines but also a new weight system that makes you pick between quick cool-downs and decent weapons.

Now I expect the argument is going to be 'biotic explosions' and indeed they are powerful, however I do not find it fun to sit behind a chest high wall spamming the same combos over and over again. It is much more exciting and involving with the gun based classes, I felt I was getting involved in the action rather than just being a support class.
 

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votemarvel said:
TT Kairen said:
votemarvel said:
ME3 saw the character class balance pushed far in the favour of the gun based classes
You... never played an Adept in 3 did you? I completely snored through Insanity, it was hilariously broken.
I played as an Adept primarily, through all three games.

First game all classes could become godly, some would argue over powered.

With the second game the biotics were tweaked so you could not affect shields or armour beyond a stun (Warp and armour being the exception of course). This wasn't a great issue because you could still carry the weapons you wanted without penalty.

Then we hit the third game. Here we still have biotics that are little more than stunning machines but also a new weight system that makes you pick between quick cool-downs and decent weapons.

Now I expect the argument is going to be 'biotic explosions' and indeed they are powerful, however I do not find it fun to sit behind a chest high wall spamming the same combos over and over again. It is much more exciting and involving with the gun based classes, I felt I was getting involved in the action rather than just being a support class.
They were stunning machines no longer, you could Pull/Singularity right through shields just like the first game. And with Lightweight Materials mods, plus upgraded weapons, you could carry one of the stronger pistols/SMG's with little to no cooldown penalty. So you can combo away and still have pretty solid weapons.

Additionally, if your definition of "gun" class is based on their weapon weight capacity, then the Sentinel became not just a Tech/Biotic hybrid in 3, but a Tech/Biotic/Combat one, since they actually had the same weapon weight class as Infiltrators and Vanguards, the highest tankiness in the game with Tech Armor, and all the powers the class is known for.