Anonymous goes after Mexican drug cartels

[Nikolaz72]

So is this the whole of Anonymous doing this, or just one guy?

Well its some Anon in Mexico.. Which if I might say, is complete suicide for them, but its noble that they dont abandon a fellow hacker to his death <_<. And then its some support anon's from around the globe, more of them mind you. But thats sort of because they feel a lot safer standing up to the Mexican Drug Cartels than the Mexicans do.

I've been to 4chans randomboard. There is often gore-threads. Those gore-threads have a lot of video's featuring the Mexican Drug Cartels, with very sharp swords and saws (Dont really want to think about it). Usually feature other mexicans, not americans or somesuch. I think Anonymous thinks that stuff might happend to their fellow hacker.

 

[repeating integers]

So is this the whole of Anonymous doing this, or just one guy?

Well its some Anon in Mexico.. Which if I might say, is complete suicide for them, but its noble that they dont abandon a fellow hacker to his death <_<. And then its some support anon's from around the globe, more of them mind you. But thats sort of because they feel a lot safer standing up to the Mexican Drug Cartels than the Mexicans do.

I've been to 4chans randomboard. There is often gore-threads. Those gore-threads have a lot of video's featuring the Mexican Drug Cartels, with very sharp swords and saws (Dont really want to think about it). Usually feature other mexicans, not americans or somesuch. I think Anonymous thinks that stuff might happend to their fellow hacker.

So exactly how far does this particular cartel's influence reach? Outside Mexico?

Because I can just imagine the cartel going on a killing spree of everyone they see on the internet mentioning their name.

 

[Rawne1980]

I love how some people here got the wrong end of the stick entirely.

A Mexican cartel kidnapped a member of Anonymous (not so anonymous now are they).

Anonymous then threatened that cartel with exposure unless their member was set free and in good health.

They then took back that threat, meaning they will do nothing, probably because the cartel sent them a finger of their friend or something.

Basically Anonymous bit off more than they could chew and you know if this cartel found one of them they WILL find the rest.

Anonymous will not take on something like a Mexican Cartel. Doing something illegal behind a computer screen and then doing something stupid when people that will kill them have already shown they can find them are 2 entirely different things.

Let Anonymous stick to taking down websites. They have already lost one member, if they decided to go through with their original plan then they would be fucked.

The actual members behind this would be impossible to trace,

I somehow doubt that.

The reason they went for the cartel in the first place was because one of their own was kidnapped by them.

I'm pretty sure if the cartel found one, they can find more.

Why do you think Anonymous backed down?

Lets be realistic for a second. The cartels have shown they will kill just about anyone that pisses them off. If Anonymous were to do anything to irritate them further do you think the one they kidnapped would ever see the light of day again?

Thats if he/she isn't already dead.

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

Los Zetas are made up of ruthless career criminals and ex-special forces from the Mexican military, they drive around the streets openly brandishing guns and not giving a fuck, they burn people alive in steel drums while throwing lead into said drum turning an innocent person into a soup of molten lead and body parts, they kidnap American citizens who come across the border without fear, the Mexican and American Governments together can't get rid of them, they train new members to use military weaponry and tactics, they make billions of dollars selling drugs, they turn children into cold blooded murderers.

HOW THE FUCK DOES ANON PLAN TO STOP THEM USING THE INTERNET WHEN TWO NORTH AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS HAVE TRIED EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO TAKE THEM DOWN?!?

Imagine if they had billions stashed in a Swiss bank account that suddenly disappeared? Don't think anonymous is capable of that but imagine?

 

[Nikolaz72]

So is this the whole of Anonymous doing this, or just one guy?

Well its some Anon in Mexico.. Which if I might say, is complete suicide for them, but its noble that they dont abandon a fellow hacker to his death <_<. And then its some support anon's from around the globe, more of them mind you. But thats sort of because they feel a lot safer standing up to the Mexican Drug Cartels than the Mexicans do.

I've been to 4chans randomboard. There is often gore-threads. Those gore-threads have a lot of video's featuring the Mexican Drug Cartels, with very sharp swords and saws (Dont really want to think about it). Usually feature other mexicans, not americans or somesuch. I think Anonymous thinks that stuff might happend to their fellow hacker.

So exactly how far does this particular cartel's influence reach? Outside Mexico?

Because I can just imagine the cartel going on a killing spree of everyone they see on the internet mentioning their name.

Well I can see them working with the Danish bikers for example by selling them drugs. But as for influence... South-America.. America... And thats pretty much it.

 

[Gutkrusha]

Releasing the names and contacts of a major Cartel would be fairly damaging actually. No organization wants their secrets shown to world, especially when you have rivals that are just as vicious and dangerous as you.

Will it stop them? Pff. No. Gunna be a serious headache, though.

 

[Urgol]

I love how some people here got the wrong end of the stick entirely.

A Mexican cartel kidnapped a member of Anonymous (not so anonymous now are they).

Anonymous then threatened that cartel with exposure unless their member was set free and in good health.

They then took back that threat, meaning they will do nothing, probably because the cartel sent them a finger of their friend or something.

Basically Anonymous bit off more than they could chew and you know if this cartel found one of them they WILL find the rest.

Anonymous will not take on something like a Mexican Cartel. Doing something illegal behind a computer screen and then doing something stupid when people that will kill them have already shown they can find them are 2 entirely different things.

Let Anonymous stick to taking down websites. They have already lost one member, if they decided to go through with their original plan then they would be fucked.

The actual members behind this would be impossible to trace,

I somehow doubt that.

The reason they went for the cartel in the first place was because one of their own was kidnapped by them.

I'm pretty sure if the cartel found one, they can find more.

Why do you think Anonymous backed down?

Lets be realistic for a second. The cartels have shown they will kill just about anyone that pisses them off. If Anonymous were to do anything to irritate them further do you think the one they kidnapped would ever see the light of day again?

Thats if he/she isn't already dead.

This.
While I don't think the chances are high that the cartels would catch the specific person who hacks them I do think the population of anon in mexico would shrink a lot.

But what exactly does Anon think they can do?
An entire goverment is already trying to destroy these cartels. Searching and fightin both online and irl. These goverments already have access to all banks, transaction accounts and credit card information. They have fought for years with more resources then anon could ever hope to muster and they hav not been able to stop the cartels. How could anon hope to make a diffrence in such a conflict?

 

[Torrasque]

Not sure how much Anon will be able to do in this situation, but come Saturday, we shall see.

 

[Monodi]

Los Zetas are made up of ruthless career criminals and ex-special forces from the Mexican military, they drive around the streets openly brandishing guns and not giving a fuck, they burn people alive in steel drums while throwing lead into said drum turning an innocent person into a soup of molten lead and body parts, they kidnap American citizens who come across the border without fear, the Mexican and American Governments together can't get rid of them, they train new members to use military weaponry and tactics, they make billions of dollars selling drugs, they turn children into cold blooded murderers.

HOW THE FUCK DOES ANON PLAN TO STOP THEM USING THE INTERNET WHEN TWO NORTH AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS HAVE TRIED EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK TO TAKE THEM DOWN?!?

Okay. To be frank, they haven't tried jack shit. I was born and raised in Mexico, and the country itself has been trying to get rid of them internally.

 

[Indeterminacy]

Just... just...

NUKE EM ALL .

See I think that is a neat idea, why don't we do that?

Probably because of the thousands of innocent people that would get in the way. I know it's a pain, but even the US govenment can't murder civilians... Well, they aren't supposed to anyway.

They don't necessarily need to kill people. A common Irish terrorism strategy was to plant explosive devices but to give good warning to the authorities to let them know of the need to vacate the area. The thought was you could primarily direct your attacks towards state (or, in this case, criminal) infrastructure while bringing as few bystanders into danger as possible. Islamic terrorists have not generally followed this, but that's because they (like the US government) heavily buy into war rhetoric. This isn't a war - it's an occupation.

The argument that's been proposed is that the mexican state can only resist the drug cartels by making it a war. If this is the case then there's a strong imperative that citizens should be cleared from the battlefield. The threat of nuclear attack would do that; give people a period of warning to either reach a resolution or vacate, and if it looks like the mob have control, clear the ground. Of course, you'd have an ethical imperative to offer asylum to people if they want to run in this case, and this requires a certain element of covert foreign military support to help people escape, but you can restrict this to legal channels, and adopt a no-tolerance policy towards illegal immigration during this time without any ethical problems (though there is an issue of the difficulties of the practical logistics).

 

[CarlMin]

The gap between rich and poor in the world is growing faster than ever before. The western world faces its biggest economical depression in decades. Dictators in foreign countries are violating human rights. Mexican drug cartels are hanging bloggers from bridges.

I know! Let's hack some websites!

PS: If you didn't understand the sarcasm in this post you probably support anonymous.

 

[FateOrFatality]

The actual members behind this would be impossible to trace,

I somehow doubt that.

The reason they went for the cartel in the first place was because one of their own was kidnapped by them.

I'm pretty sure if the cartel found one, they can find more.

Why do you think Anonymous backed down?

Lets be realistic for a second. The cartels have shown they will kill just about anyone that pisses them off. If Anonymous were to do anything to irritate them further do you think the one they kidnapped would ever see the light of day again?

Thats if he/she isn't already dead.

I sincerely doubt that a Mexican drug cartel hunted down and kidnapped a member of Anonymous on purpose. They kidnap people all the time, and this time it was a member of Anonymous. This does not mean they have the means to track down Anonymous members who are trying to threaten a freaking cartel. It's hardly impossible to remain invisible on the internet if you know how, and when you're doing the sort of things these guy do you're going to have a lot of knowledge of staying invisible.

You do remember how a bunch of Lulzsec members evaded multiple governments and white hat hackers, don't you? Why would you think a Mexican drug cartel would have better luck?

 

[Indeterminacy]

You do remember how a bunch of Lulzsec members evaded multiple governments and white hat hackers, don't you? Why would you think a Mexican drug cartel would have better luck?

I think you missed the earlier DM link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037772/Couple-killed-Mexican-drug-cartel-warning-bloggers-snitch-online.html

Looks like the Cartels don't like the way some people use the net, yea, I really don't see this ending well. At all.

 

[FateOrFatality]

You do remember how a bunch of Lulzsec members evaded multiple governments and white hat hackers, don't you? Why would you think a Mexican drug cartel would have better luck?

I think you missed the earlier DM link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037772/Couple-killed-Mexican-drug-cartel-warning-bloggers-snitch-online.html

Looks like the Cartels don't like the way some people use the net, yea, I really don't see this ending well. At all.

Ah, but the difference between the two is that I doubt those bloggers were trying to hide, or didn't have the knowledge to hide sucessfully. Sure, the cartel can trace an IP and kill people on the other end, but what are they going to when Anoynmous members are threatening them from the other side of a few proxies and whatever other means they have to hide themselves from an entirely different country?

 

[Angerwing]

I have a feeling that quite a few heads will roll, and if you know anything about the cartels, you know I don't mean figuratively. If the names are released, the rival cartels will be on that like flies on a recently decapitated gangster.

Anon should stop being a Hacktivist group and start being an Activist group. Hacktivism wont do much against a Cartel, but real-life Activism could.

Really?
A bunch of dorks can bring down the people that the police and army haven't had luck with?
Well I knew they all dress up for Comi-Con buy I didn't realize they actually posses superpowers...

Only thing these dorks can do effectively is mess with cartels information and there is no small amount of power in that.

Exactly. Doing internet attacks has a limit to how effective it can be, but as people we can change stuff. Anon COULD make significant differences if, as an entity, it went beyond the internet and the DDoS attacks and started doing public things, representing the same people it represents now, only with a wider audience and a louder voice.

And what do you propose they can do by protesting against a group that murders innocent people, just to prove that nobody is safe? The Mexican government is at war with the cartels; they're not hiding their activities and awareness doesn't need to be raised. Anybody who can do anything against them is trying to do so, and all a protest will achieve is a pile of bodies.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Ergh.. This is probably not a very good idea at all. Do the drug cartels even have a strong online presence? Some kind of narcotic Amazon?

 

[FateOrFatality]

Ah, but the difference between the two is that I doubt those bloggers were trying to hide, or didn't have the knowledge to hide sucessfully. Sure, the cartel can trace an IP and kill people on the other end, but what are they going to when Anoynmous members are threatening them from the other side of a few proxies and whatever other means they have to hide themselves from an entirely different country?

Except police have been saying "thank you" for how primitive some of Anon's digital vandalism has been, and has been quite content to trace back some of thos script kiddies and arrest them.

Now considering the cyber crimes divisions of most police forces are in an infant stage at best, with limited funding, imagine with an organisation with no legal boundaries and unlimited funding can accomplish, if they care to put their mind to it.

I don't deny that the vast majority of Anon is a bunch of script kiddies organising DDOS attacks and whatnot, but that doesn't mean the whole is. Let's put it this way - would you threaten a violent, bloodthirsty drug cartel without being absolutely sure that they cannot trace you? This is obviously some of your more serious, actual hacking variety Anonymous members. They're threatening a goddamn gang.

You're vastly underestimating how easy it is to stay invisible on the internet when the target cannot put legal pressure on a proxy to give them information.

 

[Fishyash]

They then took back that threat, meaning they will do nothing, probably because the cartel sent them a finger of their friend or something.

Where did you get that from? I really want to know where I can be up to date on this...