Any ideas for obesity?

[Psypherus]

It's like how stupid kids should be eliminated in order to reduce the burden on the school systems.

You're joking right? Just so I'm clear on that.

I hope not, I'm in agreeance with him

 

[headshotcatcher]

For that, i have to agree.

Normally its because the person who is obese eats more than necessary and doesn't get outside to burn off the energy created by the food consumed. Its a simple premise.

Seriously. I barely eat anything, but if I don't exercise tons, I gain weight.
I know how much it sucks to have to spend your (in my case, nights,) doing a bunch of outdoorsy shit, but that's life.

If you get a regular sleep schedule and such you gain a LOT less weight, for the processing of food happens then or whatever, might be an idea for you

It's like how stupid kids should be eliminated in order to reduce the burden on the school systems.

You're joking right? Just so I'm clear on that.

I hope not, I'm in agreeance with him

WHAT?

You need 'stupid people' for stuff like garbage disposal and other stuff you feel too elite to do, also I'm pretty sure your parents or at least an aunt or uncle of you is one of 'them'..

 

[Hexenwolf]

-SNIP-

Well, that is a very interesting post, and I agree with about 80% of it.

First, some things I agree on:

a person's genetic stable weight is likely a healthy weight for them.

It's illogical to expect everyone to look like movie stars, or supermodels, quite frankly, those people have hit the genetic jackpot, it's not "normal" to look like that

I said both of those in my last post. To elaborate, I think you're right, it is possible to be both fat and healthy, because the public conception of "fat" is skewed, having a little flab does not automatically make you "fat". However, in order to be both fat and healthy, you still have to do healthy things, IE exercise and eat relatively well.

In that way, I disagree partially with the post you're referring to, I wouldn't suggest to people to just ignore the health level of whatever they're eating, if a person eats nothing but McDonald's every day for years, they're gonna have health problems from that no matter how fat they are. So I would suggest to people to keep an eye on what they eat and try to be nutritionally conscious, but not for the purposes of losing weight, but for the purposes of being healthy.

Now, I said earlier that I agree with you about it being possible for fat people to be healthy, however this is certainly not always the case. Just as you accept that many skinny people are unhealthy, you must also accept that many fat people are unhealthy. No person's stable body weight is 600 pounds, yet there are people who weigh that much. Those people genuinely are "fat". One thing I would say to these people however, is not to stress out about it. It is counterintuitive to trying to reach a healthy bodyweight, or healthy lifestyle in general to be overly stressed out.

It's like how stupid kids should be eliminated in order to reduce the burden on the school systems.

You're joking right? Just so I'm clear on that.

I hope not, I'm in agreeance with him

Not so much to ease the burden on the school system but to ease the burden on humanity and the gene pool, amiright?

 

[Legion]

It's their life choice, like smoking, or being a nerd. It's not our place to choose for others.

It is when they have to get specially reinforced beds made for them in hospitals, cannot fit in a standard plane seat so get to have 2 seats and pay for one and wear much larger clothing but do not have to pay more for it.

If it affects others, then others have the right to object to it.

 

[brumby]

Fat is not synonymous with unhealthy.
Thin is not synonymous with healthy.

Wise words. But in general terms, its true.

I work at a supermarket and I have to say that since I have worked there I have realized that fat people are horrible horrible people.
Firstly, theres the food choices. Seriously do you really need that many frozen pizza's, chiko rolls and icecream? my hands freeze just putting all the frozen goods through the checkout.

And Secondly, fat people are not nice people. not at all. Seriously, I used to think that fat people are jolly. Boy was I wrong I can't really think of an example, but I'm sure someone will think of one.

 

[EchetusXe]

1. All fat people are banned from eating meat. Maybe even vegan to stop eating cakes.
2. All fat people are fair prey for hunters.

Plan 1 makes the world a better, slimmer place. Plan 2 makes the world a more violent, enjoyable and slimmer place.

Now, COMBINE the plans and we have fat people walking round all nice and tasty because they eat grass. I don't know exactly how it works. But cows eat grass all day and they taste pretty damn good.

 

[Toasty]

I know people's metabolisms work at different speeds etc. And I dont want fat people to hate themselves(or anyone to hate themselves for that matter) as anorexia is probably more unhealthy and damaging to the body than obesity. But really, obesity is also partly a lifestyle choice. Eat less and lay off the coke.

 

[fix-the-spade]

So then comes the other argument, just exercise. Here's something you should try if you really think this is going to work. Fill up a bag or two with sand or something else that weighs a lot. When you have about 200lbs. of resistance strap it to your torso and see how many push-ups or some other similar exercise you can do. Or just try to walk around the block. You won't get very far, unless you're one of these people who spends 24 hours a day in a gym and you look like the king or queen of Steroidia.

Seriously, this kind of moronic rhetoric has been pitched for decades. And if it really worked, would people still be massively overweight? No, do not tell me that it's because fat people would rather eat massive amounts of food then work out. Because no fat person wants to spend their lives being a human target for your prejudice. You can dress it up anyway you like but at the end of the day the people who are spouting insults are the problem.

It's entirely true, it does work.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=97174
If they can all do it, why not everyone else?

 

[DANGERECTION]

I'd rather live in a giant bowl of fatties, than in a nanny state.

Naturally encouragement and positivity would probably garner better results.
And leave the fat kids alone; calorie restriction fucks kids up more in the long run anyway, and gives them unhealthy obsessions with food.

 

[Labyrinth]

*Snip*

I do acknowledge that it's possible to be fat and very unhealthy. My point is, as you said, that the latter is not an automatic function of the former and it's that stereotype which I can't stand.

 

[Panzer_God]

I don't even know where to start, you obviously know some pretty assholeish fat people if you think they take advantage of their conditions. Second off, they pay for their medical treatments, not you, unless they don't have enough money to have decent insurance in which case they are fat because they can't afford health food.[/I]

I live in the UK, it's different here. Everyone has the right to free treatment on the NHS, but that means taxpayers eventually foot the bill. So we are paying for everyone who is in a public hospotal. Regards the US system you still pay, that's a bed and a hospital's staff and time that could be used for something else. It'll also come back to you as insurance companies up their premiums to cover the costs to them.

As for taking advantage of their condition, that's not quite what I meant. When people get sick they expect to be treated, that's reasonable. It's that whilst they're relatively healthy they ignore the advice that could stop them getting sick in the first place.
It's hard to feel synpathy for someone who develops type 2 diabetes when they were being told they needed to lose weight or suffer the consequences for years.

To me that's madness, like if I went riding my bike without a helmet, yet thought it was somebody else's fault when I got a skull fracture.

3rd, all of the things you mentioned can happen to anyone, and anyone would react that way.

True, they could happen to anyone at any time. But the statistics say it's (much, much) more likely to happen if you are overweight. The conditions I mentioned are the ones most associated with obesity. It's been well proven and documented that being overweight not only increases the likelyhood of these happening but makes them worse.

Compared to a lifetime on insulin or half a million dollars worth of heart surgery four hours a week in the gym doesn't seem like a high price, yet millions would apparently chose the former and get mad when others call them out on it.

Going back to my bike analogy it's about taking reasonable precaution. If I go out helmeted and armoured up but still crash and break my collarbone, well that's just my bad luck. I took reasonable precautions against it, why is weight any different?

Saying it's bad is like saying that cervical cancer shouldn't get research money because only women get it and if they don't want it they need to change.

That's confusing what's within an individuals control and what isn't. Nobody chooses their gender, or to get cancer, or be in an accident, or to get old, they just happen and there's nothing you can do to stop them.

Being overweight isn't like that, it's something that's very simple to control. If a man comes in having drunk himself half to death or smoked until his lungs are shot, would you consider those out of his control or would you think he needed to MTFU and quit smoking/drinking?
Granted the practice is always harder than the theory, but anything worth doing is hard.

I would much rather money put into researching weight linked diseases went into encouraging children to take up excersize. It would be treating the cause instead of the symptoms.

As for the cost of keeping fit, running is cheap, so are circuits and footballs and frisbees and a hundred other sports. Healthy food is not so much about what you eat as how much and when. Vegetables are cheap, even in the US they're cheap. Having a smaller portion is cheap, not snacking between meals is cheap.

None of it's rocket science, yet people find it offensive when others question why they are fat. I don't get it, the reasons why it's bad are plain for all to see and the help is there and it's free. Yet they still get offended instead of helping themselves.

You know, your argument makes much more sense now that I'm not trying to keep from killing people. And honestly, since I'm running on 29 hours of sleep-dep and an IV of caffeine I'm not going to counter every argument, just some broad assumptions. 1) I have never met a fat person who got offended over being called fat, you know why, because being fat isn't like being an alcoholic. You can't pretend everything is normal, what I see fat people getting offended by is people who have determined that fat people are the new smokers and atheists, people who need to be 'shown the light' by the 'good and gentle' folks who don't realize how genuinely insulting it is when they decide that you just have to hear about this new weight loss pill, or a new celeb diet program. 2) Everyone here is seems to be saying that fat people should play more sports, but whenever they try, they are ridiculed because it's harder to run when you're carrying 300 lbs as opposed to 150. If you want to know why fat people don't exercise much, trying doing all those fun sports you like so much while carrying 250lbs of weights. It's not as much fun. Read other reasons why exercizing while fat sucks right here

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unfortunately PE often only acts to ostracise those who are good at football from those who aren't. We need people to take pride in their bodies, rather than throw their health away for the sake of an easy lifestyle. I have sympathy for the minute percentage of people with a real problem but the rest are just trying to take an easy route.

I have to agree with you about PE, I ended up getting suspended because I refused to participate in PE after my coach started giving minimum requirements. If we got over a twelve-minute mile, we had to run it again. (I don't know if it ever occurred to him that being unable do do it once meant that they would succeed next time) Several of my friends and I just ended up walking the track for the entire hour, then he made us run the mile again the next day, and the next, and the next. We ended up walking over 200 laps that year, and none of us could ever beat a 12 minute mile. And we actually had fun, we were the kids who hated sports, hated activities (besides weightlifting) and were only in PE because it was required. I stopped counting how often we got made fun of for not being able to keep up when the other kids did physical stuff and the coaches seemed to think that it was because we weren't motivated. Of course the gym answer to lack of motivation is yelling at you and punishing you for not keeping up so eventually we just stopped. We metaphorically told the PE department to suck a fat one and just walked, all day every day.

3) Why are you convinced that everyone who is overwieght overeats. I already had a rant about snacking

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Put the fridge up a tall flight of stairs. Most obese people will only eat lots if it's available. There was some psychology test I heard about years ago so I really can't give much in the way of details, but they monitored two controlled 'parties', one with average-sized people in and the other with obese people in. There were several rooms full of food besides the main room, but once the obese people had polished off the first room they just sat around an had a nice chat; it was the smaller people who explored.

It's what my dad and I call the 'snack syndrome', I am rather overweight (75+ lbs above average) but I don't normally eat a lot. I eat an average amount rather quickly. My problem is that I get hungry really fast, but if there is no food around I'll just wander off and do something. It's when I have snacks around that I eat. When I have to make an effort to find snacks, a part of me realizes that I don't want to snack. I snack when I'm bored, anxious or angry (in fact I've been snacking a bit more since I started in this thread) and when I realize that I'm snacking I stop.

 

[Jirlond]

I know people's metabolisms work at different speeds etc. And I dont want fat people to hate themselves(or anyone to hate themselves for that matter) as anorexia is probably more unhealthy and damaging to the body than obesity. But really, obesity is also partly a lifestyle choice. Eat less and lay off the coke.

*SNORT* I like the coke .

Yeah me being overweight is attributed to drinking a lot of fizzy juice - but I enjoy am addicted to it. That and the whole hating intense exercise, little thai chi and basic yoga would suit me fine!

EDIT: I did go to the gym and I was in the cadets when I was younger - I slimmed a bit but became really fit! I wasnt any happier (I am always happy) and I just wanted to surf the net and game!

 

[Panzer_God]

1. All fat people are banned from eating meat. Maybe even vegan to stop eating cakes.
2. All fat people are fair prey for hunters.

Plan 1 makes the world a better, slimmer place. Plan 2 makes the world a more violent, enjoyable and slimmer place.

Now, COMBINE the plans and we have fat people walking round all nice and tasty because they eat grass. I don't know exactly how it works. But cows eat grass all day and they taste pretty damn good.

One condition, no one gets meat. Becasue if skinny people start withholding meat then we'll just eat you guys.

 

[EeveeElectro]

This thread pissed me off a little... I'm fat, and I don't want to be treat any differently.
Sure I'm not an XL, I'm a M, but if you stopped making XL clothes, you expect to snap your fingers and fat people lose weight?
I understand you're most likely concerened about their health, but we can't tell people how to live their lives, we've already got the media blabbing about the perfect bikini body T_T
One of my friends is massive, and I don't mean fat. He's about 6'7 and really heavily built, he's an XL. So you'll probably be forgetting about the rugby players, muscular men type people too.
I'm overweight apprently, I'm only 5'2 and I'm a size 16 so I'm too short and too fat >.< but I'm probably one of the most happiest person on this forum :]

 

[Jirlond]

1. All fat people are banned from eating meat. Maybe even vegan to stop eating cakes.
2. All fat people are fair prey for hunters.

Plan 1 makes the world a better, slimmer place. Plan 2 makes the world a more violent, enjoyable and slimmer place.

Now, COMBINE the plans and we have fat people walking round all nice and tasty because they eat grass. I don't know exactly how it works. But cows eat grass all day and they taste pretty damn good.

One condition, no one gets meat. Becasue if skinny people start withholding meat then we'll just eat you guys.

True - but we have to be weaned off it! Veg is still high in carbs and can be cooked in unhealthy ways so just removing meat solves little.

 

[Panzer_God]

I know people's metabolisms work at different speeds etc. And I dont want fat people to hate themselves(or anyone to hate themselves for that matter) as anorexia is probably more unhealthy and damaging to the body than obesity. But really, obesity is also partly a lifestyle choice. Eat less and lay off the coke.

*SNORT* I like the coke .

Yeah me being overweight is attributed to drinking a lot of fizzy juice - but I enjoy am addicted to it. That and the whole hating intense exercise, little thai chi and basic yoga would suit me fine!

That kind of coke would make you thinner. I would say something bad about coke but I have about twelve empty pop cans around my desk due to a need for caffeine before I go to work, and have you ever done Thai chi, it's boring. I much prefer a couple rounds of sparring or a friendly wrestling match before school. It helps bleed off my aggression while exercising and proving to my schoolmates that I am their physical lord and master and could crush them like toothpicks because they are skinny and I am strong.

 

[Panzer_God]

1. All fat people are banned from eating meat. Maybe even vegan to stop eating cakes.
2. All fat people are fair prey for hunters.

Plan 1 makes the world a better, slimmer place. Plan 2 makes the world a more violent, enjoyable and slimmer place.

Now, COMBINE the plans and we have fat people walking round all nice and tasty because they eat grass. I don't know exactly how it works. But cows eat grass all day and they taste pretty damn good.

One condition, no one gets meat. Becasue if skinny people start withholding meat then we'll just eat you guys.

True - but we have to be weaned off it! Veg is still high in carbs and can be cooked in unhealthy ways so just removing meat solves little.

Yeah, except in my case, cause if you took away my meat I would starve to death within days. I'm almost purely carb and protien diet. Which is why I have strong muscles but a lot of blubber.

 

[DANGERECTION]

Yeah, except in my case, cause if you took away my meat I would starve to death within days. I'm almost purely carb and protien diet. Which is why I have strong muscles but a lot of blubber.

Then maybe you should lift weights, that would get rid of the blubber. Throw a lot of Peanut Butter in the mix and you could get "Swole"



Quite frankly though, people should just stop eating pork all together, and farmers should get rid of the cows and just up the price of beef. It would do wonders for the environment, but people probably would end up a little more healthy.

 

[Panzer_God]

This thread pissed me off a little... I'm fat, and I don't want to be treat any differently.
Sure I'm not an XL, I'm a M, but if you stopped making XL clothes, you expect to snap your fingers and fat people lose weight?
I understand you're most likely concerened about their health, but we can't tell people how to live their lives, we've already got the media blabbing about the perfect bikini body T_T
One of my friends is massive, and I don't mean fat. He's about 6'7 and really heavily built, he's an XL. So you'll probably be forgetting about the rugby players, muscular men type people too.
I'm overweight apparently, I'm only 5'2 and I'm a size 16 so I'm too short and too fat >.< but I'm probably one of the most happiest person on this forum :]

Yeah I completely forgot to yell at people about the overweight fatties who are strong enough to break bones with their pinkie fingers. Thanks, now I can remind people about my cousin Nick. 250-300 lbs 5'10"-6'2" and an all-state wrestler in high-school. He is now the strongest firefighter in our city and yet he's quite round as well. I'd love to see if people would call him fat at he carries their entire family down four flights of stairs from a burning building.

 

[Jirlond]

I know people's metabolisms work at different speeds etc. And I dont want fat people to hate themselves(or anyone to hate themselves for that matter) as anorexia is probably more unhealthy and damaging to the body than obesity. But really, obesity is also partly a lifestyle choice. Eat less and lay off the coke.

*SNORT* I like the coke .

Yeah me being overweight is attributed to drinking a lot of fizzy juice - but I enjoy am addicted to it. That and the whole hating intense exercise, little thai chi and basic yoga would suit me fine!

That kind of coke would make you thinner. I would say something bad about coke but I have about twelve empty pop cans around my desk due to a need for caffeine before I go to work, and have you ever done Thai chi, it's boring. I much prefer a couple rounds of sparring or a friendly wrestling match before school. It helps bleed off my aggression while exercising and proving to my schoolmates that I am their physical lord and master and could crush them like toothpicks because they are skinny and I am strong.

Know what my P.E. was in school in scotland - football(soccer) every week was football! I hated and I still hate football! I liked basketball and it is just starting to come into our culture! I would have liked a bit of variety growing up.