Any ideas for obesity?

[Panzer_God]

Yeah, except in my case, cause if you took away my meat I would starve to death within days. I'm almost purely carb and protien diet. Which is why I have strong muscles but a lot of blubber.

Then maybe you should lift weights, that would get rid of the blubber. Throw a lot of Peanut Butter in the mix and you could get "Swole"



Quite frankly though, people should just stop eating pork all together, and farmers should get rid of the cows and just up the price of beef. It would do wonders for the environment, but people probably would end up a little more healthy.

I just had too point that out. Also I don't eat pork, I don't touch anything that came from a pig (filthy little beasts) I eat chicken, fish and beef, also italian, chinease and bread. Milk yogurt and cheese are yummy as well. I just don't like things that are green or whatever color of berry you decide to throw at me. I do like watermelon and apples.

 

[Hexenwolf]

*Snip*

I do acknowledge that it's possible to be fat and very unhealthy. My point is, as you said, that the latter is not an automatic function of the former and it's that stereotype which I can't stand.

Fair enough.

 

[Adam]

Losing weight is not hard, it's insultingly easy. Stop eating so much, start eating healthily and do some exercise.

Although I do admit there are genetics involved and some people are just born to be fat. Some people are born to be tall and lanky and some of us earn the envy and admiration of all by having the genes necessary to develop muscles easily.

Still, theres no great secret to losing weight, join a gym and eat healthily, problem solved.

 

[justnotcricket]

It's a tricky question. I think part of it is how tricky it is to define what 'obese' is - take two people of the same height, age and gender, for example. One person may be perfectly healthy at 20 kg over the 'normal' weight (a term which is a slippery slope at best), while the other may be perfectly helathy at 20 kg under the 'normal' weight. There's a difference between being medically obese and being visually very 'fat'. You can be thin as a rail and yet have cholesterol that would kill a horse, or be visibly overweight and live to be 100 with nary a hint of diabetes or heart disease.

At the same time, I have to say that if your omentum is so loaded with lipid that you have a stomach that hides your knees, or you are so morbidly obese that you cannot sit up unassisted, then you need to seek medical help if you are able - regardless whether your condition is a result of a genetic condition or poor lifestyle choices. There is a point at which you *should* lose weight, for the sake of your life. At that point, there is no use people saying 'oh, you're not too big, you don't need to lose any weight' - that is a cruelty, not a kindness. They need to offer help and support, to enable you to safely reach a weight at which you can have a normal life expectancy.

Everyone has a weight at which they are healthy. Heavier than 70kg is *not* fat, unless perhaps you are only like 10 years old, in which case you *probably* need to look at getting some help. It all depends on age, height, body chemistry and genetics.

As for dealing with the 'obesity epidemic', I think the main focus should be on children, as they are the ones developing a type of diabetes that they should never have to worry about, the ones who are having their lives shortened and made painfully difficult. Essentially, I believe it is the parents' responsibility to provide their kids with fresh, nutritious food, teach them about looking after their health, and introduce the concept of moderation when it comes to sweets/McDonalds etc. Kids parties should be the orgies of cake and ice cream and chips and fizzy drinks. Not the average meal.

Wow, sorry for the wall-of-text people...it's such a complex issue it's difficult to sum up a view in a few words...

 

[Panzer_God]

I know people's metabolisms work at different speeds etc. And I dont want fat people to hate themselves(or anyone to hate themselves for that matter) as anorexia is probably more unhealthy and damaging to the body than obesity. But really, obesity is also partly a lifestyle choice. Eat less and lay off the coke.

*SNORT* I like the coke .

Yeah me being overweight is attributed to drinking a lot of fizzy juice - but I enjoy am addicted to it. That and the whole hating intense exercise, little thai chi and basic yoga would suit me fine!

That kind of coke would make you thinner. I would say something bad about coke but I have about twelve empty pop cans around my desk due to a need for caffeine before I go to work, and have you ever done Thai chi, it's boring. I much prefer a couple rounds of sparring or a friendly wrestling match before school. It helps bleed off my aggression while exercising and proving to my schoolmates that I am their physical lord and master and could crush them like toothpicks because they are skinny and I am strong.

Know what my P.E. was in school in scotland - football(soccer) every week was football! I hated and I still hate football! I liked basketball and it is just starting to come into our culture! I would have liked a bit of variety growing up.

Doesn't everyone hate football. For me it was the other way round, I wanted to wrestle, fight, play rugby, even football would have been okay but it was basketball, always basketball. I HATE BASKETBALL, suck at it too. But the only working balls at my school were basketballs so wwe had no choice.

 

[Thyunda]

Losing weight was really odd for me. I was slightly overweight, gotten a bit of a pot belly on me. I decided that it was time to lose the excess weight. So I made use of my family's cross trainer. Just half an hour of constant running every night. I lost the weight in no time, and built up quite the muscle in my legs.
I carry on, and now I'm underweight. My diet hasn't changed any. I'm eating all the time, but I do tend to prefer a nomadic lifestyle. I usually eat on the go. I'm a big fan of travelling around the country for no real reasons, so when I eat, it's usually on my feet or on the train.

 

[Panzer_God]

It's a tricky question. I think part of it is how tricky it is to define what 'obese' is - take two people of the same height, age and gender, for example. One person may be perfectly healthy at 20 kg over the 'normal' weight (a term which is a slippery slope at best), while the other may be perfectly helathy at 20 kg under the 'normal' weight. There's a difference between being medically obese and being visually very 'fat'. You can be thin as a rail and yet have cholesterol that would kill a horse, or be visibly overweight and live to be 100 with nary a hint of diabetes or heart disease.

How's this, I can grab probably two inches of fat on my upper arms yet have a normal level of cholesterol, a slightly above-average BMI and my doctor said that pound-for-pound I'm the healthiest person my weight group that he's ever seen.

 

[Panzer_God]

Losing weight was really odd for me. I was slightly overweight, gotten a bit of a pot belly on me. I decided that it was time to lose the excess weight. So I made use of my family's cross trainer. Just half an hour of constant running every night. I lost the weight in no time, and built up quite the muscle in my legs.
I carry on, and now I'm underweight. My diet hasn't changed any. I'm eating all the time, but I do tend to prefer a nomadic lifestyle. I usually eat on the go. I'm a big fan of travelling around the country for no real reasons, so when I eat, it's usually on my feet or on the train.

Again, for me all exercise does is build up huge muscles beneath the fat, making me look even fatter. I just can't seem to lose the fat.

 

[Nicky 3 Beaves]

Stop eating fast food and work out more often.
Seriously don't go to McDonalds every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner and get on a treadmill.
I have a friend who does go to McD's at least 6 times a week and is very obese and I honestly don't feel sorry for him.

 

[Valkyira]

Being fat isn't wrong. They are not affecting you in any way so you shouldn't think about trying to stop it.

 

[Panzer_God]

Stop eating fast food and work out more often.
Seriously don't go to McDonalds every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner and get on a treadmill.
I have a friend who does go to McD's at least 6 times a week and is very obese and I honestly don't feel sorry for him.

Being fat isn't wrong. They are not affecting you in any way so you shouldn't think about trying to stop it.

Both of you need to pay attention to the posts that come before you. Both of your arguments have been countered, re-countered and then resubmitted over and over again.

 

[Thyunda]

Losing weight was really odd for me. I was slightly overweight, gotten a bit of a pot belly on me. I decided that it was time to lose the excess weight. So I made use of my family's cross trainer. Just half an hour of constant running every night. I lost the weight in no time, and built up quite the muscle in my legs.
I carry on, and now I'm underweight. My diet hasn't changed any. I'm eating all the time, but I do tend to prefer a nomadic lifestyle. I usually eat on the go. I'm a big fan of travelling around the country for no real reasons, so when I eat, it's usually on my feet or on the train.

Again, for me all exercise does is build up huge muscles beneath the fat, making me look even fatter. I just can't seem to lose the fat.

That must get REALLY annoying.

Stop eating fast food and work out more often.
Seriously don't go to McDonalds every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner and get on a treadmill.
I have a friend who does go to McD's at least 6 times a week and is very obese and I honestly don't feel sorry for him.

I go to McDonalds six times a week. And I'm described with many an adjective. Usually along the lines of 'hot'. =)

 

[fenrizz]

Eat less, eat mroe healthy food (no junk or candy).
Go outside, train a little.

That's all it takes.

 

[Erja_Perttu]

Stop fucking eating so much and go outside (it's horrible, I know, I sympathize,) once in a while.

Honestly, obese people should get the same fate as smokers or alcoholics - no health care.
At all.

Yes, it can sometimes be genetic or whatever - but most of the time, it's a conscious choice. It's like how stupid kids should be eliminated in order to reduce the burden on the school systems.

Agreed

 

[Casual Shinji]

You know, I really enjoy the amount of hate and prejudice that's being displayed in this thread. Not one single person here is better than the other. You people want to piss and moan about people that are overweight, you tell them to put the forks down, you tell them to go outside, you tell them to play some sports and you tell them to exercise. Yet, when they actually DO said activities, you people MOCK and RIDICULE them, which only forces them back a few steps. "OH MY GOOD LOOK! Fatty is trying to run! HAHAHAHA RUN FATTY RUN! DON'T TRIP OVER YOUR OWN ROLLS!"

Hypocrisy at its best.

One thing that pisses me off about this is when people are ignorant enough to link eating with being large. You walk into a restraunt and see a big guy eating 3 plates of food. You ridicule him for it in your mind. Yet, you look next to him and see a thin person with 7 plates next to him/her and you don't think a god damned thing about it. If I had a fucking PENNY for the times I've seen this happen, I would make Donald Trump look like a damn tramp.

When it comes to eating, it's so very hard to tell. Everyone on this planet has a different rate of metabolism. I can eat a maximum of 3-4 plates at a restraunt and I'm big myself, but my MOTHER, who is SKINNY, can eat TWELVE plates and not gain a single pound.

Really. Were you people not hugged enough as a child? Did father not play with you? Were you dropped on your head once too many times whilst your parents were drunk?

There's gotta be SOME explanation why you feel it necessary to pick apart another human being for their appearance.

I always tend to make fun of people who exercize like crazy. Those extreme athletes who think they're so healthy even though they take steroids and don't have an ounce of fat on them. We are living in a world being overweight or smoking is looked upon with utter disgust.

 

[Panzer_God]

Losing weight was really odd for me. I was slightly overweight, gotten a bit of a pot belly on me. I decided that it was time to lose the excess weight. So I made use of my family's cross trainer. Just half an hour of constant running every night. I lost the weight in no time, and built up quite the muscle in my legs.
I carry on, and now I'm underweight. My diet hasn't changed any. I'm eating all the time, but I do tend to prefer a nomadic lifestyle. I usually eat on the go. I'm a big fan of travelling around the country for no real reasons, so when I eat, it's usually on my feet or on the train.

Again, for me all exercise does is build up huge muscles beneath the fat, making me look even fatter. I just can't seem to lose the fat.

That must get REALLY annoying.

You have no idea

Stop eating fast food and work out more often.
Seriously don't go to McDonalds every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner and get on a treadmill.
I have a friend who does go to McD's at least 6 times a week and is very obese and I honestly don't feel sorry for him.

I go to McDonalds six times a week. And I'm described with many an adjective. Usually along the lines of 'hot'. =)

I go once a week or so and that's only because it's close enough to walk to from my house. YOU HEAR THAT PEOPLE, I WALK, NOT DRIVE, I WALK TO GET FOOD

Eat less, eat mroe healthy food (no junk or candy).
Go outside, train a little.

That's all it takes.

Jesus Christ, all you had to do was look two posts above yours and you wouldn't have posted.

 

[Woodsey]

On the subject of clothes though, I do think they should pay more each size you go up. I'm a small in men's tops for example, but I've seen the same top 3 times as big in an XXL for example, yet for the same price. People have said it'd be discrimination for them to pay more, and that some people are musclier/taller or whatever so it's not fair on them, but why not?

Shoes cost more once you go over a certain size, it's the same with most things the bigger it is the more you pay. Admittedly the labour and material is cheap as sh*t for a shop to make, but they can still charge something like £20 (for most tops I buy) so it's not like it isn't already unrealistically priced.

First off, you don't need to qoute the OP, everyone has read it already. Second off, prices do go up once you get past XXL. My dad's friend Eric has to pay over $100 for a pair of pants that cost me 15 bucks. And you think that's fair why?

Ok, well that doesn't happen in most places in England that I'm aware of.

Why isn't it fair? If something is bigger then it seems perfectly reasonable to pay more. If I was 6'9" instead of 5'9" then I wouldn't be surprised to pay a little more for a pair of jeans, or a pair of boxers.

It's the same argument for a lot of games, something like Wanted: Weapons of Fate which lasts about 4 hours costs the same as Oblivion (a game that can span hundreds of hours).

I understand people are different shapes and that there are conditions in SOME people that mean it is near impossible for them to lose weight, but many people are overweight because they don't eat properly, don't exercise and are lazy. I think things like the price of clothes varying by what size you buy will be something that pushes people to lose weight.

If you've ever watched a show where someone tries to lose weight, a lot of the time they say "I want to be able to fit into a size 'X' pair of jeans". If they also cost less then it's a bigger incentive. The UK and US are 2 of (if not) the fattest countries in the world; we neeed all the help we can get or there's going to be serious problems in the future.

 

[MikeOfThunder]

Why are people acting as though fat folks are a different race?

There are already enough incentives for obese people.

 

[Labyrinth]

Quite frankly though, people should just stop eating pork all together, and farmers should get rid of the cows and just up the price of beef. It would do wonders for the environment, but people probably would end up a little more healthy.

So you're suggesting knocking out an essential part of the diet? Proteins are required for normal metabolic function, growth, repair etc. The amino acids that the body uses to make new cells and new proteins come from somewhere and all the cells in your body are doing that, all the time. Meat is also a source of iron and other essential minerals. Yes there are alternatives but meat remains a strong part of a normal healthy diet.

 

[Xyphon]

You know, I really enjoy the amount of hate and prejudice that's being displayed in this thread. Not one single person here is better than the other. You people want to piss and moan about people that are overweight, you tell them to put the forks down, you tell them to go outside, you tell them to play some sports and you tell them to exercise. Yet, when they actually DO said activities, you people MOCK and RIDICULE them, which only forces them back a few steps. "OH MY GOOD LOOK! Fatty is trying to run! HAHAHAHA RUN FATTY RUN! DON'T TRIP OVER YOUR OWN ROLLS!"

Hypocrisy at its best.

One thing that pisses me off about this is when people are ignorant enough to link eating with being large. You walk into a restraunt and see a big guy eating 3 plates of food. You ridicule him for it in your mind. Yet, you look next to him and see a thin person with 7 plates next to him/her and you don't think a god damned thing about it. If I had a fucking PENNY for the times I've seen this happen, I would make Donald Trump look like a damn tramp.

When it comes to eating, it's so very hard to tell. Everyone on this planet has a different rate of metabolism. I can eat a maximum of 3-4 plates at a restraunt and I'm big myself, but my MOTHER, who is SKINNY, can eat TWELVE plates and not gain a single pound.

Really. Were you people not hugged enough as a child? Did father not play with you? Were you dropped on your head once too many times whilst your parents were drunk?

There's gotta be SOME explanation why you feel it necessary to pick apart another human being for their appearance.

I always tend to make fun of people who exercize like crazy. Those extreme athletes who think they're so healthy even though they take steroids and don't have an ounce of fat on them. We are living in a world being overweight or smoking is looked upon with utter disgust.

Well, I do look down on smoking a little. I don't care if you smoke, but keep that shit away from me. I don't care if you do it, but when you involve people that want no part of it and you don't even care, I start to get pissed off. If my parent's hadn't smoked around me as a child I wouldn't have my god damn asthma.