Well, Captain America's thing is leadership. he's patriotically colored and inspires others around him as his gimmick. Aside from being leadership which is good for being the leader of the avengers or a general in battle, he might have been 'badass normal' if not for the super soldier chemical coursing through him which automatically makes him inferior to Batman who does everything Cap can do, by himself.
Anyone outside the US that bothered about Captain America?
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I'm from Scotland and I think it looks like a good film.Plus its the final Avenger introduction film before they release an actual Avenger film so I kinda have to see it.
Uh, actually Captain America is not a "GO AMERICA! IT IS NUMBER 1" super hero. That would be Iron Man. Cap is a character that actually hates the american government, makes it clear--verbally and wishes for it to change for the better. To put it more bluntly, Cap hates the government for it's corruption, dislikes people who obtain money and then stomp on people just to get more money. The only reason he follows the government at times is because he's a soldier.Gizmo1990 said:
Not an "I'm an American! Woo! You all suck!" soldier, just a guy who knows it's his job to follow orders, even if they are dumb orders. Just like any other soldier. However -will- disobey and go against beliefs that steal away the right to a persons free speech, right to privacy, or right to security. Yet he's admitted that England's people are better off than Americans in many ways and wishes America would learn from other countries and stop being run but "stupid, greedy, fat idiots."
Captain America... I really love how, in the new trailer, someone asks him "What makes you so special?"
"Nothing. I'm just a kid from Brooklyn."
That's the reason why I can identify with Cap, and have over the years. He's not the strongest character around, and he's not the smartest or even the most impressive. He's just a soldier who holds a certain set of ideals close to his heart, and fights for those with everything that he's got.
It doesn't matter how big the foe is, or how powerful the enemy. He puts his mind to it and says that he's going to win, and then goes about making it happen.
And if that's not something that you can relate to, well, then I'm sorry, and that's too bad. Me? I'm really looking forward to this film, and I hope that it's going to be good.
"Nothing. I'm just a kid from Brooklyn."
That's the reason why I can identify with Cap, and have over the years. He's not the strongest character around, and he's not the smartest or even the most impressive. He's just a soldier who holds a certain set of ideals close to his heart, and fights for those with everything that he's got.
It doesn't matter how big the foe is, or how powerful the enemy. He puts his mind to it and says that he's going to win, and then goes about making it happen.
And if that's not something that you can relate to, well, then I'm sorry, and that's too bad. Me? I'm really looking forward to this film, and I hope that it's going to be good.
The movie could end up going that way, but I doubt it. Hell one of the moviebob shows explains some things about captain america, and that he wasn't just masturbation. I think at one point he basically quit being captain america over a social issue because he did not like what the government was doing about it. I think in the aforementioned moviebob thing the character that actually was all American gung-ho guy was actually Iron Man lol.Psykoma said:
On another note, I wouldn't mind seeing other "nationalistic" characters either. Hell a Union Jack movie would be awesome, or a Russian hero {just make an action film with Putin in it he seems pretty bad ass anyway}. Possibly even a French hero as long as he was played by Jean Reno.
Yea, I suppose that's true. It doesn't bug me a lot though. I'm looking forward to something that's over-the-top patriotic for the fun of it. Kind of a toned down Stephen Colbert without specific parody. Like the song America, Fuck Yeah. It's fun to pretend to take it seriously. Or maybe you have to actually be from America, I don't know.Woodsey said:
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nationalism and patriotism are easily confused. nationalism is the unfaltering belief that your clans ideology is true, and moreover superior to all others. (frankly i think most people believe their ideology is true without willingness to consider others making them something of a nationalist to the nation of themselves, but that's tangential) patriotism is taking pride in ones nation's ideology and a consequent willingness to defend it.Kair said:
Seeing as Capt 'Merica is fighting nazi's (the Nationalist Socialist party of Germany- he's literally fighting nationalists.), and the nazi's are in all probability the aggressors, the Captain is merely exhibiting patriotism, the desire to defend one's beliefs (assuming those are in line with those of his nation)
you cannot bash patriotism, certainly not in the same way you would nationalism, because assuming you aren't a nihilist, you do believe in something and i would hope be willing to stand up for it. that isn't to preclude the consideration or merit of other ideologies, it is only to admit you do in fact value what you believe.
edited to be on topic: i am American, have never read the comics, but am excited by the trailers.
It's gonna be big, it's gonna be good, and only small minded people are going to care about it's name. A load of the supporting actors are British anyway, this is as much an "allies" film as it is an American one.
Go watch the Big Picture episode on Cap, that might make you feel better. Oh, for the record, I'm British
Go watch the Big Picture episode on Cap, that might make you feel better. Oh, for the record, I'm British
I'm interested in Capt. america mainly due to the avengers movie
but even if the assembling wasn't going to happen i'd still watch captain america
it doesn't really matter to me where he's from or how much his name suggests he'll be overly patriotic (even if that's not the case)
it's a superhero film, and i'm always partial to a good superhero movie
and even some pretty bad ones too
but even if the assembling wasn't going to happen i'd still watch captain america
it doesn't really matter to me where he's from or how much his name suggests he'll be overly patriotic (even if that's not the case)
it's a superhero film, and i'm always partial to a good superhero movie
and even some pretty bad ones too
This is pretty much it. It's just a fun superhero film (I hope!). Norse gods, mutant abilities, radioactive spiders, gadgets and tech suits, super-soldier serum...typical superhero stuff. Trailers look good, woman in it is hot and Hugo Weaving is the villain. Hugo Weaving is Awesome (yes, with a capital A!). Hero could be called Captain Anything-you-like, America is just a name.Jordi said:
The only criticism I have against Marvel (and I really am a fan) is that almost all their heroes live and operate in and around New York. I realise that is where Stan Lee grew up and it is where their offices are but seriously, can't they look somewhere other than the window for inspiration? I guess as it's made by americans, for americans, it makes sense to stay there, but come on? Are americans that shallow that any media which isn't both a) set in the US and b) starring an american totally without interest? In my experience, they are not.
Spiderman, X-Men, Daredevil, Avengers and the Fantastic Four ALL protect New York. I mean what about the rest of the US? The world? And why does every single Marvel villain have a hard-on for New York? I mean surely one of them would pause and think "Right, with all those heroes in New York, why don't I just avoid that one single city and take over Australasia, Asia, Europe, S. America, AND Africa instead?". I mean the Euro is stronger than the dollar so any financially motivated villains would at least check xe.com first, and any megalomaniacs could happily rule 5.5billion out of 6billion of the worlds population without ANY super-hero interference. But no, they HAVE to destroy New York.
To be fair, if patriotism pissed me off, then the first Iron Man movie would have been what tipped me over the edge - Stark's opinion of the US requires one to have blinders on. They're action movies - the only way to piss me off about them is to have minimal or shoddy action. Worrying about the nationalism of this movie is like questioning why there are only 125 universes in The One (while any physical theory that suggests the existence of parallel universes suggests that there are an enormous number of them.)
That said, I don't particularly care about Captain America, or Thor. Why? Because the Norse gods aren't going to come down from Asgard and start smashing up superpowered villains anytime soon, and a blade rimmed shield is still primarily something to hide behind, not a weapon.
That said, I don't particularly care about Captain America, or Thor. Why? Because the Norse gods aren't going to come down from Asgard and start smashing up superpowered villains anytime soon, and a blade rimmed shield is still primarily something to hide behind, not a weapon.
I'm American and I don't really give a crap about a man dressed in our flag with some 'roids and a shield. Like the least interesting super-hero premise ever. However if they manage to make an interesting movie out of it I will be surprised and possibly check it out on DVD.
The thing with Captain America is he was REALLY popular here in the states ( and in other countries) but mostly here in the states, then this guy named Adolf had to go and commit suicide in a bunker ( not sure why) and suddenly no one really cared about Cap anymore..... He existed for the sole purpose of beating the crap out of the Nazis...... Once WW2 ended The audience lost interest and despite the efforts of Marvel Cap just kinda faded more and more into the backround, And then when Spidey came around and started to become the primary Marvel Superhero all Cap really had was "I lead the Avengers" to hold onto.
I'm an American and I still don't get what Captain America's point is. Isn't he just a normal guy with super human strength that nobody seems to be able to kill? Sorry if that is a dumb question. He just bores me to much to even bother looking up information about him.
I'll probably pass on this one, except if I hear it's really really good. Captain America was maybe ok in the 40's and 50's when America was on the roll. But in this age, it's a sad joke. And really now, weren't the nazis already bad? Do we really need to bring out the miniguns and the uber-soldiers to tarnish the image of the common german soldier?
But as a "superhero", he's just sad with his little shield and pathetic costume. Wolverine kicks ass with his gritty look, painful regeneration and the story of how he got that metal skeleton. Ye, I know... different series. But at least he bleeds for a happy ending. Does anyone here expect any kind of surprise out of a lame "origins -> crazy training -> boring middle -> lame final boss fight"? If so, then I feel sorry for you. Maybe The Dark Knight spoiled me completely. Oh by the way I haven't seen Thor yet, but both Iron-Man movies sucked big time for me. Edward Norton as the Hulk was great tho.
But as a "superhero", he's just sad with his little shield and pathetic costume. Wolverine kicks ass with his gritty look, painful regeneration and the story of how he got that metal skeleton. Ye, I know... different series. But at least he bleeds for a happy ending. Does anyone here expect any kind of surprise out of a lame "origins -> crazy training -> boring middle -> lame final boss fight"? If so, then I feel sorry for you. Maybe The Dark Knight spoiled me completely. Oh by the way I haven't seen Thor yet, but both Iron-Man movies sucked big time for me. Edward Norton as the Hulk was great tho.