I'm from the UK, and i'm looking forward to it. But i'm being cautiously optimistic after the Green Lantern fiasco.
Anyone outside the US that bothered about Captain America?
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Speaking as a Swedish guy, the first time I heard of Captain America I thought "Really?! Captain America? Are you f*cking kidding me? He looks like something out of a freaking commercial!". But since then I've grown to accept him, the idea of a superhero created to be the symbol of all things idealistically American is pretty interesting in it's own way, and it's a concept that can appeal through other ways than just American patriotism.
I honestly don't care if he has America in the name. Name a superhero who has a film who ISN'T American. Maybe one or two, but seriously not many, and definitely not a major one.
I consider myself above the childish "I hate America" thing in the same way I'm above the whole "I hate the police" thing. Just because its cool to hate something doesn't mean you should all just follow along like sheep.
Plus the film looks awesome and so far this year Marvel hasn't let me down 8D
I consider myself above the childish "I hate America" thing in the same way I'm above the whole "I hate the police" thing. Just because its cool to hate something doesn't mean you should all just follow along like sheep.
Plus the film looks awesome and so far this year Marvel hasn't let me down 8D
Funny thing is that you're atirbuting the features of Tony Stark (Staunch Pro-Nationalist Republican superhero) to Steven Rogers (Who actually has assaulted US state officials in comics due to considering the way they rule the country to be unamerican and unpreserving of individual freedom).
Captain America, might I add, actually had a lot of help in his WW2 circuit of comics from international organizations (S.T.R.I.K.E .- Special Tactical Reserve for International Key Emergencies) and Super Heroes from other nations (see: Brian Braddock, aka Captain Britain). However, people that don't often read comics just assume him to be some sort of ultra pro-american that would never question the way the country is being run (they'd be very wrong)
I find it amusing that you liked Iron Man and dismiss Captain America out of this percieved ignorance, when Tony Stark is the ultimate America-is-number-one, The-system-is-always-right, I-deserve-all-the-money-I-got-from-my-dad, screw taxes, screw the rest of the world, etc. superhero.
Captain America, might I add, actually had a lot of help in his WW2 circuit of comics from international organizations (S.T.R.I.K.E .- Special Tactical Reserve for International Key Emergencies) and Super Heroes from other nations (see: Brian Braddock, aka Captain Britain). However, people that don't often read comics just assume him to be some sort of ultra pro-american that would never question the way the country is being run (they'd be very wrong)
I find it amusing that you liked Iron Man and dismiss Captain America out of this percieved ignorance, when Tony Stark is the ultimate America-is-number-one, The-system-is-always-right, I-deserve-all-the-money-I-got-from-my-dad, screw taxes, screw the rest of the world, etc. superhero.
I don't think it will be good... Why? Because I can't take Chris Evans seriously. It sounds like the same problem with Reynolds times 100.
The guy might have carisma, but he doesn't seems able to do anything but comedy or "action hero" (in the same way as "fast and the furious" action heroes). There is nothing I have seen so far that makes me think he is not going to repeat his "adult teenager" role from Fantastic Four, without the powers.
By the way, I am not American, but I have no problem with the character.
The guy might have carisma, but he doesn't seems able to do anything but comedy or "action hero" (in the same way as "fast and the furious" action heroes). There is nothing I have seen so far that makes me think he is not going to repeat his "adult teenager" role from Fantastic Four, without the powers.
By the way, I am not American, but I have no problem with the character.
I would say the "rest of the world" probably needs to get over itself.
It's just a movie, an entertaining movie about a fictional character.
Also, did you know that Captain America was created by two jewish guys (Joe Simon and Jack Kirby) as a direct response to Hitler's bullshiat Nazi ubermench ideas. It's not a coincidence that blond haired, blue eyed steve rogers, goes out and smashes Nazis. You see, here's the joke - Steve Rogers really is as close to a perfect human being as is possible, and that's not just physically, but morally as well. That's why he doesn't truck with any of the racist bull. The inference here is that perfection or worthiness comes not from ones physical attributes, but from their moral virtues.
Also, Cap has historically not been a jingoistic character, or a tool of the government. Instead he's often used as a tool to criticise societial ills like racism, sexism and other forms of prejudice and injustice.
I understand a lot of people are ignorant of the character, his origins and his history. Fair enough. But I also take note that most of the people whinging are at their core, being insulting in their opinion that somehow, a country like America has no reedeemable attributes, despite a long and storied history of exactly the opposite - creating, sharing, giving and supporting.
Frankly, I kind of expect this level of immaturity from people - but it's still sad to see.
It's just a movie, an entertaining movie about a fictional character.
Also, did you know that Captain America was created by two jewish guys (Joe Simon and Jack Kirby) as a direct response to Hitler's bullshiat Nazi ubermench ideas. It's not a coincidence that blond haired, blue eyed steve rogers, goes out and smashes Nazis. You see, here's the joke - Steve Rogers really is as close to a perfect human being as is possible, and that's not just physically, but morally as well. That's why he doesn't truck with any of the racist bull. The inference here is that perfection or worthiness comes not from ones physical attributes, but from their moral virtues.
Also, Cap has historically not been a jingoistic character, or a tool of the government. Instead he's often used as a tool to criticise societial ills like racism, sexism and other forms of prejudice and injustice.
I understand a lot of people are ignorant of the character, his origins and his history. Fair enough. But I also take note that most of the people whinging are at their core, being insulting in their opinion that somehow, a country like America has no reedeemable attributes, despite a long and storied history of exactly the opposite - creating, sharing, giving and supporting.
Frankly, I kind of expect this level of immaturity from people - but it's still sad to see.
I think of Captain America, like I think of the 2nd Amendment. It's good that he's there, and he's part of the culture, but I'm not really that bothered about him. Also, if anyone attacks him, I will defend him to the death with a broken chairleg, but I'm like that about everything.
I think that "The Big Picture" did an episode about this.
I don't care, about the character or the film. I don't see why people have issues with the name, I'm Canadian, and couldn't care less about it. He's a super soldier in the American army (If memory serves, my comicology is bad so correct me if I am wrong) the name is appropriate to the character, to me it is no more nationalist then Iron Man, or Spiderman is. I think that no one would have an issue with a Captain Russia, or a Captain England (Union Jack, isn't it?)
I don't care, about the character or the film. I don't see why people have issues with the name, I'm Canadian, and couldn't care less about it. He's a super soldier in the American army (If memory serves, my comicology is bad so correct me if I am wrong) the name is appropriate to the character, to me it is no more nationalist then Iron Man, or Spiderman is. I think that no one would have an issue with a Captain Russia, or a Captain England (Union Jack, isn't it?)
I'm looking forward to it, mostly because unlike movies like X-men First Class this seems to be actually trying to make their time period look decent (First Class looked like 2010 with black and white televisions).
I'm Canadian.
I'm Canadian.
Never heard of him, that probably because I was way more into to music at that age. I mean it were the 90's music was freaking awesome.
Oke, drifting off here. Just viewed the trailer, looks like it could go both ways.
Oke, drifting off here. Just viewed the trailer, looks like it could go both ways.
iirc in the trailer he even starts off brown or green eyed. Hopefully they play it right otherwise people out of the loop might feel a little (rightly) uncomfortable.Jake Martinez said:
Anyway, I'm English and it doesn't bother me, I don't read the comics but I did a bit of research and it's pretty obvious the name isn't representative of the man per se. As has been said, Stark is MUCH more ultra patriotic than Cap America.
Interested in seeing it, definitely, I'm kinda stoked for the Avengers and this is the last setup...
to be fair i loved the character, his main superpowers are being fit, really nothing someone who works out couldn't achieve, he is a super soldier after all, but i imagine people being able to get to that level by exercising
then the next one is, his weapon, unlike every other character who haves extremely offensive weapons, is a SHIELD, an item of protection, which i love in context
and finally, i know he was portrayed as ASHAMED of coming to modern day America because the ideals of the country he lived in are completely different, if i remember correctly he actually becomes depressed by the idea of what once was and what now is.
but i might be wrong somewhere, i am Mexican and only read a couple of comics about him
so yah, I am happy for the movie and cant wait to watch it.
then the next one is, his weapon, unlike every other character who haves extremely offensive weapons, is a SHIELD, an item of protection, which i love in context
and finally, i know he was portrayed as ASHAMED of coming to modern day America because the ideals of the country he lived in are completely different, if i remember correctly he actually becomes depressed by the idea of what once was and what now is.
but i might be wrong somewhere, i am Mexican and only read a couple of comics about him
so yah, I am happy for the movie and cant wait to watch it.
Captain America came out in a time in the comic industry when every single hero was killing/smashing/maiming or all around fighting Nazis. It was just the norm. Germany had brilliant propaganda to the point that they convinced weak minded people that genocide was alright, and we had to compete against that miserable idea. Comics were about 80% anti-Nazi propaganda and the best way to make good propaganda is to show your country, embodied, trashing the embodiment of another country. I'll remind you of Captain Britain or all the comically racist stereotypical Japanese villains of the time that somehow incorporated "Yellow" in the name. Anyway, Captain America is a remnant of an age when being an "American" to our citizens really just meant "hates Nazis" so I can understand the disconnect between A: People from other countries and B: Anyone living during this time period. Americans like to believe that we are still living in "the good old years" which incorporated all of 1952-1959 and that Captain America takes us back to when "being an American really meant something". The truth is, as a character the American thing has little to do with Cap himself besides his costume choice and really you could just as easily call him Captain Kills A Lot of Nazis.
yeah basically this, i used to play the captain america and the avengers game for sega genesis, but that was my only care/liking for him at all, as a stand alone movie, not based on the fact that its "america" or anything related, it looks pretty damn good.Jamboxdotcom said:
slightly off topic : i swear through tv and movies and whatever other kind of backward propaganda, alot foreigners to america think every U.S. american gets boners on america looking good or "america fuck yeah" moments, but from a good 95% of the people i know, we just couldn't give a crap who it is as long as its a "fuck yeah" moment.