Apple/Valve partnership in the works?

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LiquidSolstice said:
Oh? Where's the proof for this?
Are you KIDDING me?

To make a console game, you need a publisher, a devkit, the ability to pass cert, and the budget to accomplish all those things. XBLA has eased the barrier a little, but it's still much harder and much more expensive to do than making a PC game.

To make a PC game, you need a little talent and a basic internet connection.
 

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Eric Morales said:
It makes a certain kind of sense, the Portal turrets DO kind of look like Apple products, although I've had one shooting at me for at least 10 minutes and I'm pretty sure I've never used an Apple device that could hold a charge that long.
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LiquidSolstice

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Draech said:
And it goes on and you learn nothing. Maybe I should only have made 1 word replies so you cant get it mixed up in that little head of yours. But let us play your game a bit.
Oh look! You came back! Well done, I knew you would. Yes, let's play the game known as "logical discussion".

So.... I am guessing that Iphones were sold as a gaming platform.... just like the DS were sold as a camera.
Where is your statistics comparing it to other gaming platforms?
Define "sold as". Because looking at the web page, I see this: http://www.apple.com/iphone/from-the-app-store/games.html . This paired with many references to the iPhone playing games gives me reason to believe Apple is marketing this as a gaming platform just as much as anything else. Unless you're in denial that smartphones in general are not a gaming platform, then nothing I show you will convince you otherwise. But you wanted statistics, so please do enjoy: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/?p=28273

Also, PCs aren't sold as gaming platforms. They're sold as PCs. Why should we call it a gaming platform? OH SNAPS. Logic is a fucking ***** when it's tossed right back at you, isn't it?

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Didn't you criticize me for taking something out of context? Hmmm...

This is getting really, really sad. You genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
 

LiquidSolstice

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ResonanceGames said:
LiquidSolstice said:
Oh? Where's the proof for this?
Are you KIDDING me?

To make a console game, you need a publisher, a devkit, the ability to pass cert, and the budget to accomplish all those things. XBLA has eased the barrier a little, but it's still much harder and much more expensive to do than making a PC game.

To make a PC game, you need a little talent and a basic internet connection.
Oh look! You've stopped being all superior and have decided to address what I'm saying rather than insulting me. Bravo! I was asking for proof because I wanted cited sources for that, not because I didn't believe it. The derisive tone in the word "Oh?" was because there was a complete failure to cite any sources for anything said in that post.

But it's ok, cherry-pick it out of context, that's a nice way to score your "intellectual points".
 

ResonanceGames

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LiquidSolstice said:
ResonanceGames said:
LiquidSolstice said:
Oh? Where's the proof for this?
Are you KIDDING me?

To make a console game, you need a publisher, a devkit, the ability to pass cert, and the budget to accomplish all those things. XBLA has eased the barrier a little, but it's still much harder and much more expensive to do than making a PC game.

To make a PC game, you need a little talent and a basic internet connection.
Oh look! You've stopped being all superior and have decided to address what I'm saying rather than insulting me. Bravo! I was asking for proof because I wanted cited sources for that, not because I didn't believe it. The derisive tone in the word "Oh?" was because there was a complete failure to cite any sources for anything said in that post.

But it's ok, cherry-pick it out of context, that's a nice way to score your "intellectual points".
You were wrong. Stop backpedaling and take it like a man. And for fuck's sake, DROP THE SMUGGY ATTITUDE. You're like George Clooney's Oscar speech in here.
 

LiquidSolstice

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Draech said:
This is fun isn't it. Lets keep going. I like the fact that you dont see any irony in me doing what you are doing in an attempt to prove how low you are going.
You asked for proof of the iPhone being sold as a gaming platform. I gave it to you. You asked for statistics. I gave it to you. I don't know what the fuck more you want.

I'll just keep repeating what I've said from now on until you get bored with your elitism and sulk away or you actually fucking respond. When you're ready to man up, I'll be here.
 

LiquidSolstice

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ResonanceGames said:
You were wrong. Stop backpedaling and take it like a man. And for fuck's sake, DROP THE SMUGGY ATTITUDE. You're like George Clooney's Oscar speech in here.
I can't be fucking wrong about something I never said. I didn't say it wasn't difficult, I asked for some goddamn proof of his claims, because he hadn't given sources for any other point he had made either. When you're ready to stop making shit up, blindly insulting me, and taking that stick out, you can join Draech in line to talk to me like a man.
 

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Draech said:
LiquidSolstice said:
Draech said:
This is fun isn't it. Lets keep going. I like the fact that you dont see any irony in me doing what you are doing in an attempt to prove how low you are going.
You asked for proof of the iPhone being sold as a gaming platform. I gave it to you. You asked for statistics. I gave it to you. I don't know what the fuck more you want.

I'll just keep repeating what I've said from now on until you get bored with your elitism and sulk away or you actually fucking respond. When you're ready to man up, I'll be here.
You forgot the rest of the post try again or take your methods back to the creationists where they belong.
I replied to your post. Nothing more, nothing less. If you wanted me to respond to more, you should have given me more to respond to. So I'll paste it again.

You asked for proof of the iPhone being sold as a gaming platform. I gave it to you. You asked for statistics. I gave it to you.

Still waiting.
 

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Valve... Libertarian ideology in that allows for openness and encourages user customisation in order to exploit user fan bases... and then profit from said work.

Apple... "Fuck off we know best. Don't fucking touch that you dopey **** you'll ruin it."

hmmm... well this would be interesting to see.

This deal if it happened all depends on a key factor... who changes who's policies.
If Valve changed Apples policies and got them to open up then this would be fucking amazing...

...if Apple control freaked out on Valve then... no no no... please Gabe no...
 

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ToTaL LoLiGe said:
I can't wait for the iSteam app. Along with various games consoles like the iSteam shuffle- shuffle your games libray with ease, iSteam mini, iSteamPad gaming tablet phone. iSteam Chunky, iSteamPad 1.5, iSteamPad 2.0 iSteamPad 3.0
My feelings exactly. I do not care for Apple, and I really do not wish for Valve to work with them - but, who knows, maybe the resultant technology will be something really cool!
 

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Draech said:
How about this. When you grow up and become a bigboy who actually deals with what I say rather than what you want me to say Ill "Man up".
Surely there must be an echo, because this is exactly what the fuck I've been telling you for the past few pages?

I didn't bother addressing what you had to say about the iPads because I didn't think (with your willingness to ignore shit) you would give a damn that you just judged the hardware manufacturing success of a company even though the report you used to judge it disregarded a huge chunk of successfully selling hardware. I would have thought such poor logic would be immediately obvious, but I can see it hasn't been.

Hence why I haven't bothered bringing it up.

Since the hardware point flew over your head, I'm fixating on something that you're very adamant about, so I'll repeat it again, since you still have yet to respond to me with further proof of your claim that the iPhone is not a gaming platform. You asked for proof of the iPhone being sold as a gaming platform. I gave it to you. You asked for statistics. I gave it to you. I am unsure what else you want.

If you do not think the iPhone is a gaming platform, I fully expect you to proclaim the PC is not a gaming platform either, because after-all, gaming is a secondary function of a computer in the same way (that you so wonderfully claimed) the camera on the 3DS is a secondary function. Are you okay with that?
 

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Ultratwinkie" post="9.368310.14322000 said:
EDIT: I do not wish to come off as insulting; it's obvious you've put work into this, and I appreciate that. You just have serious flaws in your logic and I wish to fully point them out.

Ah, the "it's all the corporation's fault" approach. The whole "big guys with money and small guys with ideas how sad" thing is a bit old, and is not relevant to the success of the consoles.

I do hope you didn't just try to claim that the consoles have greater piracy than the PC? Because I can assure you, console piracy is not a concern to console publishers, and is not a concern to end-users (and I refuse to hear otherwise until I'm given any sort of extra DRM protection or serial number that must be entered before I can play the game, online passes are not counted because online passes do not prevent me from playing the single player)

You shrug off the fact your prediction of doomsday has not happened yet by saying "it still exists and is still flawed", but so far, you can not give me any more harder evidence than what sounds like (and I hate to be condescending, but I'll be brutally honest) a memorized answer to a test essay question to a basic-level economics class exam (with the way you say "replenish itself, it stagnates and dies"). You have no proof that it cannot replenish itself, whereas the industry has a a couple predecessors which prove the console market absolutely replenishes itself. You make it sound as though the console market is a wasteland (ignoring the fact that it's not really), but your entire point hedges on the fact that the consoles are on the brink of hitting their next generation, which my response is simple;

Of course there will be some overlap, some slowdown, and unprofitable years in which adoption increases, and withholding of new IP, publishers are waiting to hear about the next generation of consoles, a generation which I have no doubt will last just as long as this one. It wasn't easy to switch to DVD from VHS, it wasn't a short process to switch from analog TV to digital signals, it won't be a quick process to switch to the next generation.

It's almost the way Apple handles their hardware upgrades; after 5 revisions they're still managing to convince people to upgrade from their older iPhones to newer models, and it's not about brainwashing, it's about keeping an audience captivated and compelled, something that each console has managed to do since their launch (Nintendo not included).

There is nothing to be afraid of, and you have not given me any solid up-to-date evidence to prove to me that it will be.

I do note with interest that you have switched your point from "the console market is currently dead" to "the console market will be dead with the next generation comes". I'm vaguely reminded of our "End of Days" warnings that seem to come and go past their deadlines.

What I'm more inclined to believe is the latest market data from the NPD: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/04/why-are-video-game-sales-looking-so-weak-lately-blame-nintendo.ars. Ironically, it appears to confirm your thoughts, with one key difference; this is only happening to Nintendo.

Will consoles cost more when the new generation hits? Absolutely. Will games be slightly more expensive? I have no doubt. Will we eventually move back to where we are now with the current gen? Without a doubt in my mind, yes.
 

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Ugh please don't do this apple users are already at levels of smugness off the scale, also not gonna lie i would love some steam hardware...

The pause comes with the fact i like to replace my own parts and fiddle about with my desktops if its a steam branded apple product no dice... you wanna upgrade tough tittys.
 

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Considering how valve are trying to push Mac gaming aswell, this is a pretty logical step. But of course, we must assume the worst, and we must assume that Apple is trying to get into the gaming market, hell, why not assume that Apple is set to buyout valve.

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Will consoles cost more when the new generation hits? Absolutely. Will games be slightly more expensive? I have no doubt. Will we eventually move back to where we are now with the current gen? Without a doubt in my mind, yes.
Maybe not, Ultrawinks post is interesting but the conclusions are wrong and based on out of date information.

The next gen will not see any radical developments in technology, we won't have boasts about a new form of media storage, like Blu Ray, or how powerful the custom designed and built chip, like the cell, will be. With no new tech being developed for the next gen console the cost of production will be significantly cut. The next gen consoles will turn to off the shelf tech and will be about bang for the buck. There's even rumours that the next PS will go x86, which in one move will cut the cost of development as well as making cross system porting a hell of a lot cheaper to do.

Consoles aren't going anywhere but it's clear that making them cheaper and easier to develop for while, unfortunately, trying to lock down things like second hand games and copies will be the mainstay of the next gen consoles.