Are all the gentlemen dead now?

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Yeq

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The guy is a twat regardless of the context of the relationship. If he's going through a bad time or his relationship has hit a rough patch, then that's still no excuse to make her feel bad for a simple mistake.

In terms of gentlemen...well, the whole "ladies first" thing has sort of become a bit outdated, though of course there are still those who do it and still those who appreciate it. I guess we should stop thinking in terms of being a gentlemen to the sweet and innocent ladies and start thinking about being a decent person to other people.
 

Sparkimus Prime

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Ok, I hear a lot of whining around (not necessarily from you people) about how "nice guys like me finish last!" and "why, oh why, does she date that asshole?". It may be confusing to some, but it's quite obvious to me why this goes on.

By being extremely polite and gentlemanly, you are sending a subconscious message that you are below them. Imagine a CEO and the "Yes Men" who follow him around telling how great he is. Is it clear who the important person is there?

The guy who is an asshole basically is telling her "I don't need you", and that, regrettably, makes them more attractive. Important people don't need you; they have other important people to associate with. I mean, we all want to get the best partner we're capable of. The girl can always have that guy that caters to her, but they'll take a step up if they can. Acting like an asshole marks you as that step up; it sends the message that you are a rung above on the ladder. If we were comparing this to, say, birds, it marks you as the bird with the shiniest looking nest.

You don't have to be an asshole, just have some dignity. Don't lower yourself; think of yourself as equal to the girl you want, as that's how a relationship should be. Between equals. Be polite, but don't be a doormat; show some backbone and individuality. Have the pride and confidence in your good qualities to say "you're not worth my time" to the people who can't see or appreciate them.
 

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Im generally inclined to let everyone go first, get the last doughnut, take the last coke etc.... because it ususally makes them happy and i like it when others are happy. However i suffer from equality, in that i treat women the same way i treat men. So yeah, i havn't been on a date in the last few months.......
 

Azure Sky

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Sparkimus Prime said:
You don't have to be an asshole, just have some dignity. Don't lower yourself; think of yourself as equal to the girl you want, as that's how a relationship should be. Between equals. Be polite, but don't be a doormat; show some backbone and individuality. Have the pride and confidence in your good qualities to say "you're not worth my time" to the people who can't see or appreciate them.
This. This is worded perfectly.
 

Doug

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Shine-osophical said:
Well, in that situation, maybe she 'wears the pants' in the relationhship and so he is immediately given the power of insult to make up for his lack of financial contribution.

OT:I highly doubt that all the gentlemen are dead now, we are just suppressing our inner courtesies when we see all the women who say they want a sensitive guy go sleep with the emotionless brute. After all, what is the point of being a gentleman if no-one stays around o benefit from it?
Agreed, we're not all dead, but a mixture of factors, including the ultra-taking-it-too-far Feminist view that 'gentleman' equals 'patronising' by the act of simply holding a door open.
 

Quoth

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Fake niceness.. or in otherwords good manners, courtesy and politeness.

In the case of the OP I'd say it was unnecessary of the man to behave in such a way, but we all have off days when we speak our minds.

The fact that people are so rude to another these days is indicitive of society and why people are so angry.
 

Doug

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Silent Lycoris said:
Sparkimus Prime said:
You don't have to be an asshole, just have some dignity. Don't lower yourself; think of yourself as equal to the girl you want, as that's how a relationship should be. Between equals. Be polite, but don't be a doormat; show some backbone and individuality. Have the pride and confidence in your good qualities to say "you're not worth my time" to the people who can't see or appreciate them.
This. This is worded perfectly.
Very true.
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You're sure you haven't had a sense of humour failure and he was joking?
Possibly. The OT might have the wrong end of the stick. But I doubt it somewhat.
 

El Poncho

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Bugsyfella said:
A girl once came out and said I must be gay because I didn't oggle her breasts and make comments concerning other females in the room. She laughed when I said I have respect for people and I find that stuff lewd. I think people in general have lost respect for each other and just expect it (meaning lack of respect and general courtesy) to come from others. And no Im not gay XD
You should of just grabbed her breast and went, what like this?

OP- I try to be a gentleman whenever I can to, well anyone although it's hard when no one appreciates it, I don't do it for people to notice but sometimes I would like a simple thank you.
 

Thisbedutch

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I think manners apply to both sexes now, I mean, if a woman is going to be a thug then any man she's involved with/meets has no real responsibility to be polite in return.

As it stands I was raised to open doors for people, give way to people, and always get annoyed if people don't say please/thank you/excuse me. So I agree that good manners in general are going down the drain.
 

mushroomyakuza

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I used to be a gentleman. Then I dated a feminist.

Seriously though, I find that generally, girls these days are quite undeserving of any "chivalrous" action. Like many of you have said, lots of them are so block-headed they hunt for that "sensitive man" and end up with complete arseholes, and you can see it a million miles off, wondering how they can't. Then they turn to you, the supporting friend, when it all goes wrong and you try not to say "I told you so".

My current girlfriend loves to be treated like a princess, but the problem is that gentleman side of my has disappeared, and a cynic has been left in his place. When I meet new people in particular, I can't help but feel that they're idiotic hypocrites when it comes to their pursuit of a perfect man.

This is a complicated issue. In short, no, I don't advocate chivalry, because in my experience it's largely unrewarded. I believe in equality, real equality. Yes, that means I believe in splitting the bill etc. Why should it be a man's responsibility? Sometimes there are exceptional circumstances, but on the whole, I don't see why that should be the man's "duty". That kind of mentality just encourages women to keep believing each of them is a special princess worthy of royal treatment by all throughout their lives. This, obviously, is ridiculous, and if anything, the previous generation's level of chivalry is to blame, instilling in their daughters the belief that all men should behave as they have.

I frequently feel judged by my girlfriend through the filter of her dad's morals, and constantly reminded of the things that a boyfriend "should" do - much of which often makes me roll my eyes in consternation and laugh at how ridiculous it is at the same time. Maybe it's just me, but I feel that chivalry is a negative thing, because it leads to a generation of pampered, preening girls who believe it is their God given right to demand any damned thing they want and get it, right then and there, with a bow on top, BECAUSE I WANT IT.

Back to the issue at hand though: we simply don't know all the facts of the situation. Yes, I think he was wrong to say "stupid stupid stupid", BUT I do understand that he probably felt quite embarrassed in front of the cashier - as a previous poster said, why go up to the cashier to buy stuff if you don't have the money on you? You look like a fucking fool. Obviously he himself wasn't expecting to pay for it as he said "oh are you going to pay for it?"

As another person pointed out, there's the possibility that they had arranged for her to pay for something now and he pay for something later. We just don't know. Maybe they'd been arguing. Nothing is ever as clean-cut as it looks.
 

Grimrider6

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So all the gentlemen are dead? Good riddance.

Guys with a White Knight Complex are easily the most irritating, self-righteous types to deal with. Hopefully they can join the rest of us here in the 21st Century.

Nobody needs to be a total jerk, but nobody needs to be an obnoxious doormat/Knight-of-Camelot-wannabe either.

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VinnyKings said:
Today when I was going for a coffee I overheard a man talking to his girlfriend about the bill.

Him: Oh are you going to pay.
Her: Yeah, Oh wait sorry I forgot my purse.
He then turned to the cashier and quietly said: Stupid stupid stupid.

I was seriously disgusted at how someone could treat another person like that. I don't consider myself as a gentlemen but I at least try to be as courteous around people as I can.

Edit: The guy didn't have a sarcastic tone and Yes I don't really know the whole situation but the fact that he called her stupid in front of someone pretty much over steps the line IMO.
Yes, gentlemen are dead and WOMEN killed them all.
 

President Moocow

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VinnyKings said:
Today when I was going for a coffee I overheard a man talking to his girlfriend about the bill.

Him: Oh are you going to pay.
Her: Yeah, Oh wait sorry I forgot my purse.
He then turned to the cashier and quietly said: Stupid stupid stupid.

I was seriously disgusted at how someone could treat another person like that. I don't consider myself as a gentlemen but I at least try to be as courteous around people as I can.

Edit: The guy didn't have a sarcastic tone and Yes I don't really know the whole situation but the fact that he called her stupid in front of someone pretty much over steps the line IMO.
Here's a fun fact for you: maybe not all girls like to be treated like they are put on a golden pedestal. A lot of girls get turned on by guys who act a bit like a jerk sometimes, or playfully tease her (instead of sucking up to her, or in your case that would be called "being a gentleman").

It's possible to be a jerk and tease a girl but still act like a gentleman at other times. A lot of the time, people ARE in fact courteous but that's usually just a polite thing you do around strangers. When you are with friends or people you care about, you don't need to do that because you know them.
 

mushroomyakuza

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President Moocow said:
VinnyKings said:
Today when I was going for a coffee I overheard a man talking to his girlfriend about the bill.

Him: Oh are you going to pay.
Her: Yeah, Oh wait sorry I forgot my purse.
He then turned to the cashier and quietly said: Stupid stupid stupid.

I was seriously disgusted at how someone could treat another person like that. I don't consider myself as a gentlemen but I at least try to be as courteous around people as I can.

Edit: The guy didn't have a sarcastic tone and Yes I don't really know the whole situation but the fact that he called her stupid in front of someone pretty much over steps the line IMO.
Here's a fun fact for you: maybe not all girls like to be treated like they are put on a golden pedestal.
I used to think that, then I realised they were just pretending.
 

Mr Wednesday

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Her paying is not an issue, that's how couples work. Calling her stupid, well, that's a bit off. But, different couples have different boundaries. Maybe insults are just play in this relationship.

Just a thought.
 

NuclearPenguin

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I paid for a pizza and a coffee for a girl.. Also I opened all doors for her
Do I win?
(She has a boyfriend >.<)