are there ANY bioware rpgs that are bad
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Most of the big names from Black Isle ended up at Obsidian (one or two via Troika). Tim Cain is pretty much the only one not there.migo said:
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That got me looking at BGDAIII, and how it was cancelled. Turns out Champions of Norrath is a spiritual successor to it, and wasn't a MMORPG. I always overlooked it in the used games bin because I figured it was subscription based. Learn something new and cool every day.
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I gotta say bioware games really all have there audiences. I wouldn't have loved KotoR if I wasn't a huge star wars fan. Mass Effect 1 and 2 where fantastic, the amount of detail in the the lore of those games is staggering. Dragon Age felt cheap to me, it felt like NWN2 but without all the customizations in creating your character which is something that I love about NWN games. NWN is my favorite game of all time, mainly because even still today the communitiy is strong and keeps creating new content that keep me coming back. Admittedly when it first came out it was very buggy, but after all those patches and overrides and hak packs it can hardly be called the same game. Jade empire....meh ok that was pretty mediocre.
I have played Kotor, Mass Effect 1&2, and Dragon Age Origins. Dragon Age is probably the weakest of those games to me, but it is not bad. Although Kotor and both Mass Effects are up there as my favorite games of all time. Dragon Age just didn't have as many interesting characters as Kotor and Mass Effect 1&2 had, to me at least.
Dragon age origins as I see it is like Baldursgate.
Now I've played through baldursgate and I loved it! I played through Dragon age eeeh no. Because I feel like you don't have enough control of the storyline because sure you have millions of paths to "unfold" but they all lead to one unfortunetly I would have liked the choice of becomming evil and betraying all my partners and eating the dog!
Now I've played through baldursgate and I loved it! I played through Dragon age eeeh no. Because I feel like you don't have enough control of the storyline because sure you have millions of paths to "unfold" but they all lead to one unfortunetly I would have liked the choice of becomming evil and betraying all my partners and eating the dog!
In my opinion, they haven't ever created a bad RPG. Some are better than others but almost all of them are at the top of the genre. In my opinion they run from spine-tingling to good (sorry, they're the limits of the scale I have to use here):
Mass Effect 2
Baldur's Gate 2
Baldur's Gate
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect
Neverwinter Nights (not the campaign but the game as a whole)
Knights of the Old Republic
Jade Empire
I've not played Sonic.
Mass Effect 2
Baldur's Gate 2
Baldur's Gate
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect
Neverwinter Nights (not the campaign but the game as a whole)
Knights of the Old Republic
Jade Empire
I've not played Sonic.
I think that the 3 worst were NWN, Mass Effect and Jade Empire.
I didn't like Jade Empire because it was a big departure from the systems of their previous games in terms of combat and I'm not really a big fan of martial arts so the story didn't grab me as much. However, the story was still well done and its a damn sight better then a lot of games from it time.
I didn't like Mass Effect because it felt very limited. As someone who played a lot of NWN and KOTOR, ME felt like there was so much more that could have been done and wasn't. This coupled with the limited dialog system made things very boring. Sadly, the sequal was worse. They are probably the only Bioware games since NWN I haven't played through at least twice.
For its time (2002 I believe) NWN was a breakthrough. The fully 3D engine was fantastic and the transfer of the ruleset was as faithfully done as any DnD fan could hope for. Sadly it was let down by a really bad campaign that was so boring I didn't even finish it once.
Edit: Also, Baldurs Gate I&II. This isn't Biowares fault though, but more I can't stand the DND2.5 ruleset. If someone modded it so it used the 3 or 3.5 ruleset I'd play it.
I didn't like Jade Empire because it was a big departure from the systems of their previous games in terms of combat and I'm not really a big fan of martial arts so the story didn't grab me as much. However, the story was still well done and its a damn sight better then a lot of games from it time.
I didn't like Mass Effect because it felt very limited. As someone who played a lot of NWN and KOTOR, ME felt like there was so much more that could have been done and wasn't. This coupled with the limited dialog system made things very boring. Sadly, the sequal was worse. They are probably the only Bioware games since NWN I haven't played through at least twice.
For its time (2002 I believe) NWN was a breakthrough. The fully 3D engine was fantastic and the transfer of the ruleset was as faithfully done as any DnD fan could hope for. Sadly it was let down by a really bad campaign that was so boring I didn't even finish it once.
Edit: Also, Baldurs Gate I&II. This isn't Biowares fault though, but more I can't stand the DND2.5 ruleset. If someone modded it so it used the 3 or 3.5 ruleset I'd play it.
Honestly, there are many times in ME2 where I go *YAWN* but it's also unignorable good fun. I just hope ME3 has less of these *YAWN* sections.
Really? Well, that would explain it. A lot of people don't notice IP copyright changeovers. A name tends to just be a name to us.ckriley said:
Yeah, I agree. KOTOR was one of the best games of all time. It was both critically acclaimed and a commercial success. I'm starting to realize that a lot of the people on Escapist are like the pretentious industry types (PITS) that we have here in Hollywood. You know the type. They look down their noses at all the mainstream Hollywood films because they are not some obscure art house movie with no stars that no one has ever heard of before, which is supposed to have some deep meaning and subtlety and everyone falls for it because the actors all have British accents.spinFX said:
In reality, they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. That's exactly what Escapist posters remind me of.