i hate dragon age origins it's so goddamn boring i like rpg's(except for jrpg's) but dragon age is so GODDAMN BORING mass effect was just right but in dragon age they overdid the talking WAY WAY WAY TOO much and there's like a selection of 1000000 of skills and you don't get much points so the only way to know is go to the internet check a walkthrough to know which skills suck and which don't but goddamn the talking part in dragon age is more than 97 percent of the game
are there ANY bioware rpgs that are bad
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I liked the first Mass effect and Jade Empire also Neverwinter Nights wasn't too bad
but Mass effect 2 and dragon age I dislike for many reasons
Mass effect 2 Removed everything i enjoyed from the first game, equipment managment, uncharted worlds and a good mission structure and replaced it with a bland game which was too linear, had a tacked on plot and you only had a few weapons to choose from. Though i must admit the gunplay did feel more smooth than the first game but that doesn't excuse everything else.
Dragon Age Orgins Just bored me to tears. I seriously hated its World of warcraft styled combat which you just tap a button and it does it for you. I disliked the lack of skills you can have and many of them where useless anyway. Im no graphic whore (hell i still play psone games regulary) but coming from a next-gen game i expected decent graphics, dragon age fails in this catagory with its bad textures and models. The only thing that made me not eject it out of my xbox was the fact that the story was okay for the most part but even that wasn't truly exciting.
but Mass effect 2 and dragon age I dislike for many reasons
Mass effect 2 Removed everything i enjoyed from the first game, equipment managment, uncharted worlds and a good mission structure and replaced it with a bland game which was too linear, had a tacked on plot and you only had a few weapons to choose from. Though i must admit the gunplay did feel more smooth than the first game but that doesn't excuse everything else.
Dragon Age Orgins Just bored me to tears. I seriously hated its World of warcraft styled combat which you just tap a button and it does it for you. I disliked the lack of skills you can have and many of them where useless anyway. Im no graphic whore (hell i still play psone games regulary) but coming from a next-gen game i expected decent graphics, dragon age fails in this catagory with its bad textures and models. The only thing that made me not eject it out of my xbox was the fact that the story was okay for the most part but even that wasn't truly exciting.
LOL. Take that Ebert! We have pretentious artsy discussions over video games that are comparable to the pretentious artsy discussions you have over movies! So there.ckriley said:
EDIT: I just reread this post. Minus the "LOL" and the "So there", I could easily imagine this being said in the voice of Lewis Black... actually toward the end of it I could see Lewis Black doing that finger thing he does. ...is it weird to hear your own thought in the voice of Lewis Black? I'd prefer Morgan Freeman but I'll take this I guess.
I found the combat schizophrenic (even after they patched the level scaling), the dialog insufferable, and the art design... well, the art design was pretty good, but the writing put my mind to some kind of really bad Warhammer/LotR fanfic.wrecker77 said:
Yeah, a couple: Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age: Origin, Mass Effect 2 (1 is a bit dodgy, but life goes on) and KotoR.ICanBreakTheseCuffs said:
Mass Effect 2 had a plot? I mean, it has episodes, that are basically disconnected from one another, but it's more like watching a season of Star Trek: Deep Space 9 than a single story arc.Jazoni89 said:
As a personal gripe, while I preferred the gunplay in 2, something really did bother me. The ammunition. Now, with a basic assault rifle you have 400+40 rounds, with the upgraded one, you have 120+24. Now, I play games where 144 rounds is enough to get you through, like STALKER or any "realistic" shooter, hell even Saints Row 2, but the difference is, it usually only takes a couple of shots to put people down. In ME2 enemies could soak up ridiculous amounts of ammo, while the game simultaneously capped your maximum ammo with a eye dropper. Now, I have no problem with Far Cry 2 saying you have 150+30 rounds with your AK47 because you can fight for quite a while on that, and no enemy is going to survive multiple saturation bursts. Mass Effect 2 ends up with enemies that will eat entire magazines without a problem and keep coming, and it throws you at them frequently.
The Infiltrators have it even worse off, at the beginning of the game they have precisely 10 shots with their sniper rifle before they're empty. Each shot is a full pickup, and requires a full reload between uses. They make up for it with bullet time down the scope, but this class is basically built around a gun they can use occasionally. (As opposed to the first game where it could be used constantly.)
I already discussed it above but, my experience was that most of Dragon Age's story boiled down to a string of "but thou must" railroads into stupidity until my nausea could no longer be held in check.Jazoni89 said:
I despised Neverwinter Nights. One of the worst games I've ever played. Admittedly, I'm an anti-fanboy when it comes to Bioware (only game I'd even rate as "passable" would be KotOR, and even that game I can't honestly say I liked), but NWN in particular sticks out as "you've got to be kidding me."
Thank you! I feel exactly the same. It's just a mediocre rip off of 'Lord of the Rings' with characters I hate so very much and a spectacularly boring story.wrecker77 said:
I played the game for about 25 hours and hoped it would get better. Now my party is in the Deep Tunnels or whatever the place under Orzammar is called and just left them there to rot.
And the plot of Mass Effect 2 was just piss weak. I enjoyed the game, though.
What really constitutes as bad? It's all a matter of opinion....I've liked every Bioware game I've played,Someone else probably hates them all.it's simply opinion.
Im shocked by all the KotOR hate!
KotOR is my 4th favourite game ever and my 2nd fave Bioware game (most favourite is Mass Effect 2). Sure it hasnt aged well...but it was made back in 2003! It has a fantastic story (better than all the star wars movies) and a great twist.
KotOR also has the best effing mini-game ever! PAZAAK! (most addictive gambling mini-game I've ever seen, good enough to be an actual casino game)
KotOR is my 4th favourite game ever and my 2nd fave Bioware game (most favourite is Mass Effect 2). Sure it hasnt aged well...but it was made back in 2003! It has a fantastic story (better than all the star wars movies) and a great twist.
KotOR also has the best effing mini-game ever! PAZAAK! (most addictive gambling mini-game I've ever seen, good enough to be an actual casino game)
Out of curiosity, are you familiar with the Warhammer setting? Because the more I look at DAO the more it reminds me of Warhammer rather than LotR.Xerosch said:
No, it's not. I mean, okay, if EVERYTHING is "all a matter of opinion" than nothing can be proven.PsychoticForesight said:
There is good. There is crap. And objective analysis of media can be preformed. Note that word "objective" not "subjective". An opinion is subjective, but quality is an objective trait.
Now, (for example) it is my opinion that The Doom Generation is a bad film. That is a subjective statement, however it is based on objective observations about the film (in particular the writing, acting, editing, and cinematography are all pretty terrible (if you care)).
The same rough scheme can be applied to any game or other media form to produce a qualitative evaluation of the work.
I should probably recant a little. It isn't bad, it's also not particularly good.pearcinator said:
It's actually aged pretty well, overall. That said, saying the game's year of production is an indicator of quality is kinda... well, not that valid, no offense. Deus Ex was made in 1999, so, should we say that KotoR is a terrible game because it doesn't live up to a game that preceded it?pearcinator said:
The story is actually kinda meh. If you've played NWN (or, really any other Bioware RPG) Kotor has the exact same structure, journy to four exotic locals and collect four plot coupons (with ME1 being one of the only cases where they are actually something other than just pieces of the same artifact).
The twist will either work once, or (if you're paying attention) never. And really doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Now, the praise it was getting at the time, about how it was the best story in a Star Wars game? Or the EU? Yeah, that's actually kind of legitimate on account of how shitty the EU's writing is as a whole (with a few exceptions, such as the Thrawn trilogy). Seriously, we're talking about the same setting that did The Glove of Darth Vader and The Courtship of Princess Leia. Knights of the Old Republic is fucking Shakespeare in comparison.
Yeah... the game actually cheats at Pazaak. People have done algorithmic breakdowns of this. I'll agree that it's an addictive little game, and someplace online there's a freestanding ap that will actually play fairly. But, at least in KOTOR1, the AI cheats horrifically at it.pearcinator said:
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EDIT 2: My apologies to the staff, I really did not mean for this to be a double post.
I'd say Neverwinter Nights wasn't very good, unless you take into account all the modules people have made. Which I do.
Oh come on, no he diddn't but you have a horde of darkness with strangely looking orc-lite creatures trying to conquer/overun a weak and divided humman kingdom and if you play as a human you end up with a group/fellowship of warriors who must unite the kingdom so that they can defeat the evil together.manythings said:
I know DA is a lot more complicated than that but when you play you've got to see at least a LOTR influence.
On-topic: As you ma have guessed, I *hated* DA, it was sooo boring. There was more grey and brown on display than Fallout 3 and I found the setting, story and characters to be far less interesting.
Other than that every Bioware game I've played I've really liked. I still play the KOTOR series since i think they have aged quite well. I just wish they would make a sequel to jade empire because that kind of seems like the forgotten series at the moment.
Yes, Mass Effect. The entire series. Horrible. Nah, I'm joshing you, they're fecking awesome.
But they're the only Bioware RPGs I've played.
But they're the only Bioware RPGs I've played.
As someone who enjoyed DA:O, I do have to admit that it derived much from LotR.
And not to mention Alistair having a role like Aragorn.
But I still enjoyed DA:O... my biggest grips with the game are not for story. They had to do with level scaling and loot. More specifically that there was too much of the former and not enough of the later.
This... and there was that Bridge in the Deep Roads... It was very easy for me to imagine my mage standing between the party and a bunch of darkspawn shouting "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"LastCelt1989 said:
And not to mention Alistair having a role like Aragorn.
But I still enjoyed DA:O... my biggest grips with the game are not for story. They had to do with level scaling and loot. More specifically that there was too much of the former and not enough of the later.
Unfortunately, you could compare those two games in the same breath that you could compare Star Wars and Lord of the Rings to similar effect. I've found that it's just as easily the sci-fi setting that people like over the fantasy setting and vice versa.FargoDog said:
OT: I rather disliked some of their older games. I'm certain several people are going to find me and slaughter me for this, but I can't really get behind Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights. To be fair, I disliked 2nd ed and 3rd ed D&D, but still. In fact, I prefered Neverwinter Nights 2 over the first, as well as KotOR 2 over KotOR.
Dragon age origins i couldnt stand the combat system and i can only hope that Dragon age 2 will have made some changes.