Atheist Bible

[kawligia]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

 

[Nimbus]

Sorry in advanced for this lame joke.

Agnostic Bible:

 

[caross73]

The only thing an atheist Bible should contain, as the Christian Bible is a proselytizing tool, not something necessary for believers who don't need ANY information in order to believe in the "One True God" ... they would believe that ANYWAY, is a concise summary of epistemology -- How we know what we know, and why absence of evidence, contrary to apologetic teachings, is indeed evidence of absence (if in fact there SHOULD be evidence if our hypothesis is correct).

Most atheists get those things already. The Bible just codifies the reasons behind applying formal logic to our understanding of reality.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

 

[caross73]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

Bologna. Morality comes about rationally due to the success of populations that practice it over ones that don't. There are purely pragmatic bases for the golden rule; namely, you don't have to waste a lot of energy defending yourself from people if you treat them with a modicum of decency.

 

[starrman]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

That's crap. Social groupings further the survival of the individual in terms of protection, resource gathering, entertainment, healthcare etc. If you do to those others as you would have them do to you you instantly increase your chances of survival and indeed of success. This is a very simple way of putting the origins of natural law, but it alone invalidates your position.

 

[Anarchemitis]

I thought the thing atheists hated most was "organized religion"
which makes me wonder why they team up and organize meetings or rallies, or stuff like this.
and the topic: "atheist Bible" just screams oxymoron.

That can't be it because Atheism is a religion.

 

[GothmogII]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

I suppose...if you're trying to define morality from a religious point of view...but doesn't it only boil down to because God/Ahriman/Odin/Buddha said, not because there's any more inherent logic behind it than having morality with no-reason at all.

And more importantly...are we going with the line of thinking, that without belief in something above, that a similar, or even exact copy of say the ten commandments couldn't be totally non-'divinely' inspired?

I mean...it isn't much of a stretch to take something from simple observation: Hmm, you know people don't like being killed or hurt, maybe we should do our best not to kill or hurt each other?

 

[caross73]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

I suppose...if you're trying to define morality from a religious point of view...but doesn't it only boil down to because God/Ahriman/Odin/Buddha said, not because there's any more inherent logic behind it than having morality with no-reason at all.

No one ever asks where God gets HIS morality.

 

[DannyBoy451]

Atheism is not a religion, stop treating it like one.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

Bologna. Morality comes about rationally due to the success of populations that practice it over ones that don't. There are purely pragmatic bases for the golden rule; namely, you don't have to waste a lot of energy defending yourself from people if you treat them with a modicum of decency.

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

That's crap. Social groupings further the survival of the individual in terms of protection, resource gathering, entertainment, healthcare etc. If you do to those others as you would have them do to you you instantly increase your chances of survival and indeed of success. This is a very simple way of putting the origins of natural law, but it alone invalidates your position.

Wrong. Provably so.

You find out your spouse is infertile and will not be able to have children with you. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?

A blind person is born who will inevitably soak up more from society than he will ever realistically ever be able to put back in. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?

A man is arrested for murdering his wife, but he is a genius chemist who will be able to advance anti-viral drugs if allowed to remain free. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?

Morality is extremely subjective and is different from person to person. Science and logic are not, they can be clearly defined and categorized. The two have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

I was gonna say Origin of Species but whatever....

 

[GothmogII]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

I suppose...if you're trying to define morality from a religious point of view...but doesn't it only boil down to because God/Ahriman/Odin/Buddha said, not because there's any more inherent logic behind it than having morality with no-reason at all.

No one ever asks where God gets HIS morality.

Hehe, that's true...funny thing, I think they'd say God is just God...that he doesn't work for us, we work for him. In god's own words as said by a great sage thousands of years later: I yam what I yam an' that's all that I yam. And if we don't like it? Tough, he's god he can do whatever the hell he likes, with only his own apparently innate moral compass to guide him.

 

[caross73]

"Wrong. Provably so.

You find out your spouse is infertile and will not be able to have children with you. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?"

There IS no logical thing to do. Your spouse refuses to give you a dollar because she doesn't have one. WHAT DO YOU DO???

Marriage is a contract. Do you honor your contracts or not. What happens if no one honors their contracts?

A blind person is born who will inevitably soak up more from society than he will ever realistically ever be able to put back in. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?

What happens to societies that take care of their infirm? What happens to societies that do not? Do you want to live someplace knowing that if anything happens to you, you will be sacrificed?

 

[beddo]

Atheists believe in the absence of a higher power, this does not necessitate that they have the same belief on any other subject.

As a result you cannot have an atheist bible. I suppose you could have some sort of agreed declaration but even that would be a struggle and there really isn't much point to it.

 

[starrman]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

Bologna. Morality comes about rationally due to the success of populations that practice it over ones that don't. There are purely pragmatic bases for the golden rule; namely, you don't have to waste a lot of energy defending yourself from people if you treat them with a modicum of decency.

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

That's crap. Social groupings further the survival of the individual in terms of protection, resource gathering, entertainment, healthcare etc. If you do to those others as you would have them do to you you instantly increase your chances of survival and indeed of success. This is a very simple way of putting the origins of natural law, but it alone invalidates your position.

Wrong. Provably so.

You find out your spouse is infertile and will not be able to have children with you. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?

A blind person is born who will inevitably soak up more from society than he will ever realistically ever be able to put back in. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?

A man is arrested for murdering his wife, but he is a genius chemist who will be able to advance anti-viral drugs if allowed to remain free. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?

Morality is extremely subjective and is different from person to person. Science and logic are not, they can be clearly defined and categorized. The two have nothing to do with each other.

I'll answer this when I get home tonight, but suffice to say I disagree.

 

[Skalman]

Okay, being an atheist means you don't believe in a god.

I'd like to see this book of yours, especially the number of pages in it.

 

[caross73]

Okay, being an atheist means you don't believe in a god.

I'd like to see this book of yours, especially the number of pages in it.

http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Atheist-Essential-Readings-Nonbeliever/dp/0306816083

 

[cuddly_tomato]

God is not the only source of morality.

Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."

No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.

I suppose...if you're trying to define morality from a religious point of view...but doesn't it only boil down to because God/Ahriman/Odin/Buddha said, not because there's any more inherent logic behind it than having morality with no-reason at all.

And more importantly...are we going with the line of thinking, that without belief in something above, that a similar, or even exact copy of say the ten commandments couldn't be totally non-'divinely' inspired?

I mean...it isn't much of a stretch to take something from simple observation: Hmm, you know people don't like being killed or hurt, maybe we should do our best not to kill or hurt each other?

Absolutely. The thing people should remember is that, well,

Atheists, even if you reject the idea of God completely and claim to live according only to the cold logic of the physical sciences, you all still live as if the absolute morality of some magical lawgiver were true.

No, wait. Don't go away.

When some guy hustles you out of eighty bucks in an ebay scam, you don't nod and say, "Interesting! This fellow lacks the genetic predisposition toward equitable dealing that generations of sexual selection in favor of social behavior has instilled in the rest of us! A fascinating difference!"

No, you think what that guy did was wrong. You want justice. You think he should have acted differently.

Even though there's no "wrong" molecule floating in the air and there's no "justice" element on the Periodic Table. You don't think of the swindler as just a fellow animal who happens to behave differently than you. You think he should have acted some other way, according to an invisible ideal that everybody is aware of and knows they should obey.

When that "boob at the Super Bowl" incident happened a while back, I constantly heard atheists making fun of Christians and their puritan silliness over sex. "Come on! It's just meat! We're all just mammals! Sex is natural! What are you afraid of?!?!?" ...Suddenly sex is something to get upset about. Suddenly it's not just meat slapping against meat. Suddenly the exclusive sexual bond between you and your girl was important, was to be protected, was almost... sacred.

Again there's this invisible rule that was supposed to be followed, that everybody was supposed to be aware of, that can't be proven by logic. Whatever it is, wherever you think it came from, you can't deny that it's there. Your own behavior would make you a liar.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15759_p2.html

It is a part of a belief system, same as any other.

 

[Loiosh91]

the closest thing to a bible for atheists is Battlefield Earth