cuddly_tomato said:
caross73 said:
cuddly_tomato said:
kawligia said:
God is not the only source of morality.
Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."
No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.
Bologna. Morality comes about rationally due to the success of populations that practice it over ones that don't. There are purely pragmatic bases for the golden rule; namely, you don't have to waste a lot of energy defending yourself from people if you treat them with a modicum of decency.
starrman said:
cuddly_tomato said:
kawligia said:
God is not the only source of morality.
Do a search for "natural law" or "natural rights."
No. But belief systems and faith are the only source of morality. There is no logic or scientific basis for morality, ethics, justice etc.
That's crap. Social groupings further the survival of the individual in terms of protection, resource gathering, entertainment, healthcare etc. If you do to those others as you would have them do to you you instantly increase your chances of survival and indeed of success. This is a very simple way of putting the origins of natural law, but it alone invalidates your position.
Wrong. Provably so.
You find out your spouse is infertile and will not be able to have children with you. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?
A blind person is born who will inevitably soak up more from society than he will ever realistically ever be able to put back in. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?
A man is arrested for murdering his wife, but he is a genius chemist who will be able to advance anti-viral drugs if allowed to remain free. What is the moral thing to do, and what is the logical thing to do?
Morality is extremely subjective and is different from person to person. Science and logic are not, they can be clearly defined and categorized. The two have nothing to do with each other.
As it's currently set up, in the Western world:
1: A lot of people would consider you a dick for leaving your wife like that, at the same time, people leave each other all the time for less reasons than that, and hook up the same. I wonder though is anyone, when considering marriage and starting a family thinking: 'Must continue the species!!' I doubt it.
2:The blind person, all I can say is you must not know a lot of blind people, granted it's a little tougher getting a job and such, however you'd be foolish to think that having a sight impairment stops people working and contributing, it doesn't. Now, yes, I get the point you're trying to make, that some disabilities are more debilitating than that, and there it really is a toss up as to what each person is going to think on it. Some would think that helping people with disability's is a waste of time, or that they represent a drain on society. But you know what? Those people are still present and thinking regardless of any other factors. As are those who see no reason not to deny them the same rights and opportunities everyone else has.
3: The genius murdering his wife. You better believe he'd be prosecuted, but you know what? If he was that much of a genius, he wouldn't be executed. He'd probably be jailed, or kept under lock and key, but if there are people who recognise his worth then he's not going to be a prime candidate for execution.
You're correct. It
is all subjective. It's always been subjective. And religion is just
one of the many factors that people behave as they do, aswell as fear, peer pressure, social pressure, and the myriad of other little intricacies that make up a person pushing them this way and that and against the masses of other people.
