Avatar Depression

[Punisher A.J.]

Thats...a little wierd. But then again I kinda understand. It's a freakin beautiful to look at.

Yeah... totally... just... ok seriously who the freak would wanna go there... I mean its cool in all but people would die.... and trust me YOU would die.

 

[VGCATZ]

What a bunch of pussies!

if you wake up and truely think this world sucks think about all those starving, homeless, diseased people living in countries which didnt even hear about avatar because they were too busy surviving day by day!

"oh im so ******* sad to live in a world where a 3d movie i saw made me sad, and then i went online with my high speed broadband on my expensive pc and had a cry about it"

Try walking 10+ kilometers a day to get water from a well which isnt filled with parasites and disease.

if you think this world really is that bad it makes you depressed, get up off your sheltered, protected, lucky ass and DO SOMETHING to make the world a better place.

I concur. The idea that a piece of fiction, whose designs were taken from a mix of Grimm fairytale illustrations and the leftover artwork from Aliens, is reason enough to get depressed is, in itself, a reason to be glum. It's a work of fiction. I'd expect this from a japanese simdating fanboy at the cancellation of his favourite title but I suppose that it's reasonable to assume that with 6+ billion people out there, there's always one or one hundred

 

[Con Carne]

People are idiots. They were depressed before the movie and the movie made them realize how depressed they actually were. Then the article talks about the "white messiah" theme. get a grip people, he gives up being white to become one of the tribe. To me that message says either
1. "love conquers all" or 2. "Deep inside we should all want to be (insert non-caucasian race here)"
I didn't see the main character convert anyone to "caucasianism." People need to seriously get a grip.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

talk about hardcore nerds

 

[renner-08]

jesus murphy

i thought the movie was good, but not THAT good

think about how many people who HAVE committed suicide from avatar, and just werent mentioned in that report

its enough to make me lose my faith in humanity

 

[Scrythe]

Yahoo. It's like Fox News for kids!

 

[TheMatt]

I hope they all kill themselves therefor removing a percentage of idiocy and emo bullshit from the genepool.

 

[JohnnySex]

That's... pathetic. They should have just done it. More idiots out of the gene pool.

 

[ffxfriek]

Ah, trust the insane fanboys to ruin everything, it really is just attention seeking I think.

Don't ruin Avatar for me goddammit!

I thought it was brilliant, best film of 2009 for me.

How can dumb people...nvm i realized the answer.

the movie also got best of 2009 from me as well.

 

[kawaiiamethist]

Ah, trust the insane fanboys to ruin everything, it really is just attention seeking I think.

Don't ruin Avatar for me goddammit!

I thought it was brilliant, best film of 2009 for me.

How can dumb people...nvm i realized the answer.

the movie also got best of 2009 from me as well.

District 9 was my 2009 fave; another alien movie, but one I could believe in.

 

[tanithwolf]

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

The movie is full of loopholes, we should have easily.
Moving on to your Ireland and England reference:
From your point of view yes.
But as I met mentioned before it's an "us and them" outlook, the British wanted Ireland's resources, I can understand that but I would still be angry.
The main thing however is that it was Humans versus Humans in that case while in the movie it was Humans versus Aliens.
I care far less when it's us against another race, why should I care about another race?

I may not appreciate his example but Zac Dai is right in the way that "us and them" has been used to justify killing too many poeple just because their different from us. The "us and them" was part of the English occupation of Ireland, for them they believed that they had the right to control our land because of military superiority. Demented you have to appreciate that it wasn't that long ago that people thought of any culture that wasn't theirs was alien and should be destroyed.

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive aliens, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive foreigners, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

Yes, why should you?

Because the murder of innocents is wrong, but mostly because I don't want this as an argument for someone to take over Ireland again.

No-one is innocent and some people get in the way.

Ok no-one is innocent, but very few people deserve to die. Some people get in the way because they feel they must and some do by accident. Could you condemn them for those reasons.

No, they're defending themselves or trying to stop us....that don't mean I'm not going to continue and kill them anyway. afterall I'm not going to stop just because people disagree with me.

But my point is you wouldn't agree with killing other humans would you? and that's what that argument has been used for.

I was not talking about the Na'vi.
I was refering to a Human conflict.

So you would be ok with being invaded tomorrow, all your loved ones either killed or made to to work as slaves for the invaders to take every last resource and be left with nothing but a large rock.

Of course not because I'm the one being invaded.
I would understand the invaders but I would still fight for my country.

I just don't see how you can be ok with invasion when you know what it leads to.

Because my logic is cold and efficiant while yours is not.
My logic is illogical to you while your's is illogical to me.

(I really wish I had a picture of spock right now)
Invasion for the reasons I listed is illogical, it only leads to suffering and possible reprisal, which would lead to more suffering. It would be more efficiant to pursue other methods for getting what you want. Could you also rationalize an invasion of a country if people you knew and loved lived there, even if it was Ireland invading.

I never said war was the only valid option.
Suffering is a part of life, it happens.
Making an arguement personal is an invalid method.
If I say yes: "omg you don't care about your loved ones!"
If I say no: "Ha! See! She wouldn't do it then would she!"

Suffering may be a part of life but needless fighting generally only makes it worse. It doesn't invalidate an argument like this one, we are actually talking about our personal opinions. Enjoy my little trap.

Well if I was invading a country it would obviously be for a reason so I would have to forasake those I hold dear there.

Impressively cunning, using belief of something right as an excuse to agree to something you normally wouldn't. What do you do to your friend then when you find them (noting you are in a squad when you do, they are heartless and hate these people):
A: A quick and clean death at your hand, you owe them that much.
B: A life of unending suffering as a slave.
C: Merely watch as someone else executes them.
D: Other. (Bonus points if you can do something that doesn't involve some miraculous escape)

A of course.

You'd kill your own friend, how could you, you heartless monster. And in doing so you saved them from all other kinds of torture, congratulations.

An.....unusual closing statement.
Otherwise thank you, this has been one of the most fun arguements I've had on these forums.
And of the other 4-5 people that argued against me you alone remain standing.

Well it would be true, I still hope you can see my point. Even if you accepted doing it, you wouldn't want to have to do it. For all those people who got knocked out of the conversation I leave you with this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlGDumjSeSA

And by the way what makes you think this is over, I'll be back, I'll always be back. *Insert evil laugh here*

 

[ShadowKatt]

Ah, trust the insane fanboys to ruin everything, it really is just attention seeking I think.

Don't ruin Avatar for me goddammit!

I thought it was brilliant, best film of 2009 for me.

How can dumb people...nvm i realized the answer.

the movie also got best of 2009 from me as well.

District 9 was my 2009 fave; another alien movie, but one I could believe in.

I loved District 9 as well, although District 9 actually did depress me. Mostly because of the truth behind it. If an alien race arrived on earth, which would we send first: A) Political dignitaries to ensure a peaceful coexistance OR B) A team of scientists to evaluate what kind of creatures they were and what new technology they bring OR C) An armed force to establish a first line of defense to stem any line of attack they might bring and quarantine the area.

I'd wager the answer is C no matter what government you go to on Earth.

 

[funguy2121]

Shit, I'm more depressed Cameron didn't put as much effort into his script and fleshing out his characters that he did in creating that world.

Yes, it's kind of like the story that 15 year old kid in the 7 11 told you about how he hurt his leg running from the cops and then the nurse at the hospital "totally ended up blowing him." It's a wives' tale, for insipid people.

Tell me, who's lead should Cameron have followed in fleshing out his characters and script? Who did a much better job on what movie?

That first part, eh, what?

As for the second, Cameron's problem is that he took his sterotypes and ran with them. The bad guys were cartoon characters and the good guys were your standard goodie goodies. I'm especially disappointed with the villains of the piece, because they were given nothing beyond greedy and mental.

We all know there's an audience for movies produced purely for spectacle (Transformers, for example), and if I believed this was one of those I wouldn't be so hard on it, but Cameron was trying to make a statement about the evils of collonialism and environmental devastation. He did it in a such a dumbed downed, morning cartoon fashion that I couldn't get lost in this world or the message. I'm not trying to be a troll, and if you loved this movie, that's great, you got your money's worth, but for me, to see such care taken with the graphics and little with the script, it's a disappointment.

You seem to insinuate a connection between James Cameron and (no, it would be cliche to invoke the name of Michael Bay here, so...) Jan De Bont (Speed, Speed 2: Cruise Control [please laugh along with me] and Twister[puke]).

37 stories, bud. Look it up. Only 37 stories in the world.

Now, in critique of this film (which I thoroughly enjoyed - the police removed the soiled towel and escorted me to the nearest jail), I would agree that the Colonel BECAME a sterotype by the third act and that Giovanni Ribisi's character was never sussed out. However, both the beloved Sigorney Weaver's character and that of new discovery Sam Worthington were nuanced, conflicted characters. This was even experienced in their not liking each other at first, and how the Hell do I explain my sexual attraction to "Ripley's" avatar - ugg!

It could indeed have been better fleshed out. But, as I've stated probably a dozen times here, Avatar was no less original than the first Star Wars Trilogy (the Bible, Beowulf, Flash Gordon, etc.), though arguably it wasn't as well directed as Empire (sorry - have to clean off my keyboard now).

 

[Lord Krunk]

This is so damn ironic. I mean, remember the message of Finding Nemo? Which American kids completely missed? And turned clownfish into an endangered species?

Epic fail.

 

[The Salty Vulcan]

Thats...a little wierd. But then again I kinda understand. It's a freakin beautiful to look at.

Yeah... totally... just... ok seriously who the freak would wanna go there... I mean its cool in all but people would die.... and trust me YOU would die.

Between the amotsphere and wild thantors running round, yeah people would die but at least they could say "Oooh Pre...."

 

[stone0042]

I can believe it, the movie touched me. I thought it was a masterpiece.

 

[Guy32]

It's like a goddamn cult.

This is like a joke right ?

If not, your EMo level is over 5000!!!11!!1

It's over 9000, welcome to the internet.

lol, I knew someone would correct him, but I didn't think it would be that fast.


anyway, this is from yahoo. yahoo.

 

[vrbtny]

Man some people can be sooooo sad.

I wouldn't want to visit Pandorum for several reasons.

1. You can't breath... Seriously this is a big point. I don't want to walk around with a stupid mask on.

2. All the people you meet will be poorly written and totally cliche'd.

3. Everything is trying to kill you (Big Problem!)

4. Probably some unknown virus which would kill you in some fantastically horibble way... (Making you watch the disney Channel)

5. The Na'vi. A load of pricks.

6. I like Earth thank you very much.