Avatar Depression

[awesomo]

Unobtanium is apparently a real term used by engineers to describe a material that is perfect for whatever they happen to be doing. In Avatar, it's a room temperature superconductor, which is perfect for mag lev trains, ridiculously efficient electricity, and so on.

okay that sort of renders my short rant moot.
and now that i think about it, i remember my physics teacher using the term once.

 

[Woodsey]

Uh... Morons.

 

[chronobreak]

Personally, I think we are heading down a dangerous route with our visual technology. Once we make these virtual worlds more appealing then our own, who's to say people won't just shut down like some of these fine people have, and have no reason to do any work in their real life? I think we should get rid of this technology if a small subsect of people are not ready to handle it, because that would protect the majority. Video games, movies, these are all very dangerous distractions for people that should be spending their time paying taxes and bearing children.

 

[tanithwolf]

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

The movie is full of loopholes, we should have easily.
Moving on to your Ireland and England reference:
From your point of view yes.
But as I met mentioned before it's an "us and them" outlook, the British wanted Ireland's resources, I can understand that but I would still be angry.
The main thing however is that it was Humans versus Humans in that case while in the movie it was Humans versus Aliens.
I care far less when it's us against another race, why should I care about another race?

I may not appreciate his example but Zac Dai is right in the way that "us and them" has been used to justify killing too many poeple just because their different from us. The "us and them" was part of the English occupation of Ireland, for them they believed that they had the right to control our land because of military superiority. Demented you have to appreciate that it wasn't that long ago that people thought of any culture that wasn't theirs was alien and should be destroyed.

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive aliens, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive foreigners, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

Yes, why should you?

Because the murder of innocents is wrong, but mostly because I don't want this as an argument for someone to take over Ireland again.

No-one is innocent and some people get in the way.

Ok no-one is innocent, but very few people deserve to die. Some people get in the way because they feel they must and some do by accident. Could you condemn them for those reasons.

No, they're defending themselves or trying to stop us....that don't mean I'm not going to continue and kill them anyway. afterall I'm not going to stop just because people disagree with me.

But my point is you wouldn't agree with killing other humans would you? and that's what that argument has been used for.

 

[Zersy]

Make them watch Pandorum (Pun intended)

That should cure them

 

[Melon Hunter]

I can sort of understand, in as much that I had scenes from the movie stuck in my head for a couple of days after seeing it. I think a possible reason for this is because it came out in midwinter (at least in the Northern Hemisphere). Think about it; beautiful, lush CGI jungle, then walking out and seeing the rather grey, cold world outside. Perhaps this is a variation of SAD?

 

[Treblaine]

Really?!
I would have loved it if they burned the entire planet to get at the unobtainium.
I prefer our cities to that stone age socioty that the Na'vi have.
Hell, why didn't they just genocide the Na'vi with WMD's or something?!

Spoiler: my favourite scenes were

....when the Humans blew the home tree to bits and when the Na'vi were charging the Humans on horses and on foot and the Humans greeted them with a wall of high velocity metal....oh yes.

And people say the film only appeals to lefty-liberals? I was able to enjoy it for both the "fuck the natives" and "sticking it to the man" parts.

I mean who cried when the Death Star blew up Alderan? No one, I bet everyone was just like "holy shit, it's ON now!"

But on topic, Avatar really was a damn good movie but those people on that forum were likely already mentally unstable, this is just a trigger for their personal issues to manifest on.

 

[khaimera]

When I read the title I thought you were talking about This

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[tanithwolf]

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

The movie is full of loopholes, we should have easily.
Moving on to your Ireland and England reference:
From your point of view yes.
But as I met mentioned before it's an "us and them" outlook, the British wanted Ireland's resources, I can understand that but I would still be angry.
The main thing however is that it was Humans versus Humans in that case while in the movie it was Humans versus Aliens.
I care far less when it's us against another race, why should I care about another race?

I may not appreciate his example but Zac Dai is right in the way that "us and them" has been used to justify killing too many poeple just because their different from us. The "us and them" was part of the English occupation of Ireland, for them they believed that they had the right to control our land because of military superiority. Demented you have to appreciate that it wasn't that long ago that people thought of any culture that wasn't theirs was alien and should be destroyed.

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive aliens, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive foreigners, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

Yes, why should you?

Because the murder of innocents is wrong, but mostly because I don't want this as an argument for someone to take over Ireland again.

No-one is innocent and some people get in the way.

Ok no-one is innocent, but very few people deserve to die. Some people get in the way because they feel they must and some do by accident. Could you condemn them for those reasons.

No, they're defending themselves or trying to stop us....that don't mean I'm not going to continue and kill them anyway. afterall I'm not going to stop just because people disagree with me.

But my point is you wouldn't agree with killing other humans would you? and that's what that argument has been used for.

I was not talking about the Na'vi.
I was refering to a Human conflict.

So you would be ok with being invaded tomorrow, all your loved ones either killed or made to to work as slaves for the invaders to take every last resource and be left with nothing but a large rock.

 

[tanithwolf]

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

The movie is full of loopholes, we should have easily.
Moving on to your Ireland and England reference:
From your point of view yes.
But as I met mentioned before it's an "us and them" outlook, the British wanted Ireland's resources, I can understand that but I would still be angry.
The main thing however is that it was Humans versus Humans in that case while in the movie it was Humans versus Aliens.
I care far less when it's us against another race, why should I care about another race?

I may not appreciate his example but Zac Dai is right in the way that "us and them" has been used to justify killing too many poeple just because their different from us. The "us and them" was part of the English occupation of Ireland, for them they believed that they had the right to control our land because of military superiority. Demented you have to appreciate that it wasn't that long ago that people thought of any culture that wasn't theirs was alien and should be destroyed.

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive aliens, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive foreigners, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

Yes, why should you?

Because the murder of innocents is wrong, but mostly because I don't want this as an argument for someone to take over Ireland again.

No-one is innocent and some people get in the way.

Ok no-one is innocent, but very few people deserve to die. Some people get in the way because they feel they must and some do by accident. Could you condemn them for those reasons.

No, they're defending themselves or trying to stop us....that don't mean I'm not going to continue and kill them anyway. afterall I'm not going to stop just because people disagree with me.

But my point is you wouldn't agree with killing other humans would you? and that's what that argument has been used for.

I was not talking about the Na'vi.
I was refering to a Human conflict.

So you would be ok with being invaded tomorrow, all your loved ones either killed or made to to work as slaves for the invaders to take every last resource and be left with nothing but a large rock.

Of course not because I'm the one being invaded.
I would understand the invaders but I would still fight for my country.

I just don't see how you can be ok with invasion when you know what it leads to.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

Because my logic is cold and efficiant while yours is not.
My logic is illogical to you while your's is illogical to me.

Mwahahahaha! Join me in my cold logic, and burn across the heavens to carve out mankind's domain among the stars!
*Ahem* sorry about that...
Well, it is good to know that someone else uses the sharp, cold edge of the same logic as I.
Certainly gets the job done

 

[Jedoro]

Can't they just quit crying and go see the rain forests or something?

 

[tanithwolf]

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

The movie is full of loopholes, we should have easily.
Moving on to your Ireland and England reference:
From your point of view yes.
But as I met mentioned before it's an "us and them" outlook, the British wanted Ireland's resources, I can understand that but I would still be angry.
The main thing however is that it was Humans versus Humans in that case while in the movie it was Humans versus Aliens.
I care far less when it's us against another race, why should I care about another race?

I may not appreciate his example but Zac Dai is right in the way that "us and them" has been used to justify killing too many poeple just because their different from us. The "us and them" was part of the English occupation of Ireland, for them they believed that they had the right to control our land because of military superiority. Demented you have to appreciate that it wasn't that long ago that people thought of any culture that wasn't theirs was alien and should be destroyed.

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive aliens, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

"Surivial of the fittest"
and in this case it's a bunch of primitive foreigners, why should we care whether they live or die or what we do to their land?

Yes, why should you?

Because the murder of innocents is wrong, but mostly because I don't want this as an argument for someone to take over Ireland again.

No-one is innocent and some people get in the way.

Ok no-one is innocent, but very few people deserve to die. Some people get in the way because they feel they must and some do by accident. Could you condemn them for those reasons.

No, they're defending themselves or trying to stop us....that don't mean I'm not going to continue and kill them anyway. afterall I'm not going to stop just because people disagree with me.

But my point is you wouldn't agree with killing other humans would you? and that's what that argument has been used for.

I was not talking about the Na'vi.
I was refering to a Human conflict.

So you would be ok with being invaded tomorrow, all your loved ones either killed or made to to work as slaves for the invaders to take every last resource and be left with nothing but a large rock.

Of course not because I'm the one being invaded.
I would understand the invaders but I would still fight for my country.

I just don't see how you can be ok with invasion when you know what it leads to.

Because my logic is cold and efficiant while yours is not.
My logic is illogical to you while your's is illogical to me.

(I really wish I had a picture of spock right now)
Invasion for the reasons I listed is illogical, it only leads to suffering and possible reprisal, which would lead to more suffering. It would be more efficiant to pursue other methods for getting what you want. Could you also rationalize an invasion of a country if people you knew and loved lived there, even if it was Ireland invading.

 

[Treblaine]

But my point is you wouldn't agree with killing other humans would you? and that's what that argument has been used for.

I hate to butt in the middle of your conversation but in countless movies I've seen - that have been well received - have all been about Humans being killed, hell in Avatar both Sully and Colonel Quaritch are ex-marines where it was their FREAKING JOB to kill other humans... for their country of course. Though as Avatar explicitly states they are now doing it just for the money... and not killing humans (most of the time) but aliens.

But I don't think anyone who had a problem with the humans being killed in Avatar was concerned because they were humans being killed... I mean who watches an action movie and gasps in horror when the evil bad guy gets killed with an "oh no, a member of my species has been killed". No when Hans Gruber got dropped of the building in Die Hard we were all cheering and countless other examples.

No, the difference here is WHO are killing the humans, the aliens, that seems to get to people on levels that wouldn't happen if it was humans killing humans. To be honest movies often exploit that effect of the innate rooting for "team human" (or could it be rooting for team "same-race as me"?).

I think Avatar is inevitably going to go down better with gamers than non-gamers as there is a long history of anti-establishment enemies.

From fighting the Police in GTA, to playing an Alien or Predator hunting Human Marines in the Aliens vs Predator games or even in Half Life where one of the main bad guys is the much revered US Marine Corps! In the Legacy of Kain series and many other vampire games you are a real blood drinking vampire yet in most movies and TV shows any vampire protagonist is either "vegetarian" or only drinks non-human blood (Blade, Angel, Twilight, Day-breakers, etc).

In online multiplayer games half the time you are not playing the "heroes" of the SAS or US Marines but playing the "Villains" as th Spetznaz, the Terrorists, or even a Nazis SS-trooper, but just like a playground game of cops and robbers, you have to learn to play the bad guy as well as the good guy.

Hell with video games we are used to "playing the monster" or should I say playing an outsider or alien and learning to enjoy it. To enjoy the otherness.

That's the approach I took going into see Avatar, Half the time I did want to root for Quaritch's Team of badass mechs and he did play the Villain absolutely perfectly but more so I was rooting Team Sully for his underdog perseverance and conviction.

 

[Bob the Average]

have these people never heard of the rain forest? lots of trees? check. Numerous exotic animals most of which can kill you? check. natives living at bronze age levels of sophistication? check. natives who are giant cat people? no but hey it's close right?

 

[Julianking93]

What. The. Fuck?

I knew Yahoo was stupid, but not this fucking stupid.

People aren't being able to cope on forums? Have they thought that these people could be just, I don't know, joking?

Its people on an internet forum. Come on.