Avatar Depression

[Pyro Paul]

it was a good movie in my oppinon.
although i can understand the depression.

after seeing the amount of facepalm failure at the end on how the Na'vi won...
i too was contemplating suicide...

Yes... that is a Master plan.
lets take a Space Ship capable of planetary re-entry and able to attain unaided escape velocity and hover it slowly through a bottle neck valley while we attempt to gravity bomb a position inspite of having enough rocket propelled and ballistic ordience capable of destroying a small country... master plan indeed.

 

[MagnetoHydroDynamics]

I felt like an Avatar driver waking up when I came out of the cinema the first time... Not really depressed though.

 

[Zac_Dai]

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

I should probably leave the response to whoever it was directed at... But eh, whatever.

You do realize that in the conflict between Ireland and England, the sides are more even, and there's not a potentially unlimited population to fight out the conflict.

To my knowledge, the sheer ownership of Irish lands by the Brits, in the history, have earned them quite a profit selling potatoes or something. It is rather pointless to get rid of a resource that keeps giving, and of working force that keeps it alive.

You're completely right. But I was just showing how her same logic was the one used for the near enslavement of her people by mine.

Navi, or whatever, are neither a working force nor should have sufficient powers to oppose the full might of modern technology. And of course, given that Earth is populated by humans - and humans alone as far as intelligent developed species go, there's bound to be sympathy, out of some idiotic belief in sacredness of life or sheer economic benefit - which is why another World War is improbable given the level of connection between countries now, thanks to both internet and other communication technologies and various transportation and military advancements. It's easy to fuck with someone who lives far and can't possibly get to you, but when they're literally your neighbor - it might not be the best idea.

I'm a complete believer in technology solutions. But it often never gets used in the most efficient way due to the profit and labour system. Case in point supermarkets. You could completely automate the whole thing, from truck unloading to shelf-stacking. Even checkouts can be replaced by self-service payment machines. But that what cause a lot of unemployment.

Same thing with the whole mining on Pandora if the mineral can only be found there and its found in huge quantities under there scared tree then maybe its created by the living planet organism and as such destroying the ecology there would be a bad idea if you wanted continued supply of the mineral.

If the trees or whatever don't make it then its unlikely the mineral is restricted to just that moon, maybe other barren planets or even asteroids have it and thus mining them would be a lot easier than fighting a planets lifeforms.

But Cameron failed to give enough background in the film to look at all these options.

And frankly the whole sentiment we often hear and read that nature is somehow exceptionally beautiful is nothing but what it is - a subjective opinion. There's beauty in death the same way there's beauty in life. There's beauty in massacre and murder the same way there's beauty in peace (and I wouldn't say birth, because child birth isn't the prettiest sight you can see, hur). There's equal meaning and beauty in wanton destruction as there's in creation.

Exactly and all those ideas of beauty are products of peoples culture in that point in time. But thats not a justification for wanton destruction.

The whole universe exists within a framework of cause and effect. Which is why you wouldn't destroy all plant life since thats where we get our oxygen from, like wise poisoning your own seas with shit that ends up in fish which ends up on your plate.

There has to be a balance and technology can achieve that easily and much more as long as you use it the right way and all without making sacrifices.

Anyway its been a good discussion thread and I need to take a break and do something productive.

 

[ActionDan]

Wow, someone really needs to smack some sense into these people. Jeeeeeesus christ.

 

[House_Vet]

Thought it was well and truly a resounding meh the world they created was beautiful and different and the CGI was at times truly convincing (and I'm usualy hyper critical/perceptive towards CGI)

But suicide? Go get some fresh air dude I think you have been mulling around in your bedroom for faaaaaar to long our planet is fucking gorgeous too your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

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I spend a couple of hours driving up north its equally as breathtaking as any pseudo fantasy.

My sentiments exactly. If anything, people should be inspired by the movie to protect and research our own planet's natural beauty. It's probably something along the line Cameron was going for.

I'm right there with you guys.

 

[emge]

This is like a joke right ?

If not, your EMo level is over 5000!!!11!!1

5000 is so 2008, we are up to 9000 now

 

[orangebandguy]

Suicidal tendencies? Jesus..

Well I suppose the wise words 'Get over it' could apply here.

It's just a film, and there are plenty of other more moving films out there.

 

[Nemu]

Ah, trust the insane fanboys to ruin everything, it really is just attention seeking I think.

That's precisely what I thought when I came home from work, opened up a news page and read that Avatar is now being branded as racist due to the "white messiah" saving....whatever the aliens are called.

Sorry, not seen the movie, never had any interest, so I don't remember what they were/are called, regardless, can't people just WATCH a movie anymore without citing some reason (real or imagined) to stir up controversy?

 

[Badazzninja]

Keep in mind that people with chronic affective disorders will get depressed over just about anything. I've met a girl who seriously contemplated suicide because the sky was too blue and a man that couldn't get out of bed because he was depressed that he'd never walk on the moon. It is most likely pathological that you feel depressed after seeing Avatar. Either it is because you suffer from an affective disorder or the depression is actually rooted in something else and watching Avatar is just the trigger.

True, but it certainly doesn't account for all of it. I have a bit of a cocktail of mental disorders that make me extremely emotional and prone to depression, but i definitely didn't end up getting depressed that i couldn't "go to Pandora and live amongst the 12 foot blue cat people happily ever after."

was i moved by the visuals? did the sappy, predictable storyline fleshed out in a new and interesting way captivate me? ...uh, a bit, yeah. but am i suicidal over the fact that Pandora isn't real, that i can't escape all the shit i put up with these days? no, i'm too smart for that crap.

sounds like to me that everyone with these 'issues' hasn't become jaded to make-believe fantasy worlds much better than our own like every other well-rounded down-to-earth geek out there. they need to sit down and log 200 hours with a strong, in-depth RPG, then drop it and switch to another a few times before going back and watching Avatar again

 

[Badazzninja]

Ah, trust the insane fanboys to ruin everything, it really is just attention seeking I think.

That's precisely what I thought when I came home from work, opened up a news page and read that Avatar is now being branded as racist due to the "white messiah" saving....whatever the aliens are called.

Sorry, not seen the movie, never had any interest, so I don't remember what they were/are called, regardless, can't people just WATCH a movie anymore without citing some reason (real or imagined) to stir up controversy?

NO. did you miss the last decade? they should call the 00 decade "The Retards," because apparently everyone decided to up and get pants-on-head retarded on everyone and everything else, as if they had been given a signed permission slip to hop on the short bus and head off to Disney

 

[Pyro Paul]

The films plot and lack of backstory doesn't help in these discussions.

But I don't think mining under the tree would have caused it to collapse since most trees have very wide root structures. Also with the technology available it probably would have been possible to avoid mining under certain load bearing areas of the tree.

Its more likely that due to open pit mining being a lot cheaper and the misplaced idea that they wouldn't be able to fight back caused them not consider such an option.

Either way there may have been other deposits further away they could have tried. But as I said the plot and backstory of the film make it hard to explore all options.

just like why the wild life glows, it is all explained, if only lightly touched on.

the vein under the tree is the Largest deposit in a thousand mile radius, and at the moment is the closest to the current point of operations. it is more cost effecent from a logistical sense to mearly displace the indiginous population and create a second source mine on that deposit while they work outwords to other minor deposits.

Open pit mining is the Fastest and most cost effecent method of resource extraction and with the refrences on the bottem doller made during the arguments about it and the indigionious population it isn't hard to come to the conclusion that the humans on planet are pushing for the fastest and cheapest solution to obtain the resources they require.

Also "putting them down would have made it easier for us." why state that when it had the exact opposite in the film?

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

untrue.
the film quiet litterally proves that statement correct as the humans easily bathe death upon the Na'vi that try and twart the humans attempt to carpet bomb the big mystical tree place. the major diffrence is that the enviornment itself ushers forth to aid in the conflict which is ultimatly the decisive factor.

in essence it serves as a controdiction to the Company suit, and ultimatly entire industrial military complex ideology, which think that the eviornment is mearly something to take advantage of.

 

[tanithwolf]

Another problem with you train of thought is I can do this with it:

"And why not kill them off, they're a bunch of stupid paddys and they did not want us on Irish soil which is why they were attacking us English and the Irish were refusing to comply so"

Ireland was a backwards country and totally inferior to British might. I mean by your logic I shouldn't even bother talking to someone of your background. Fuck peace talks we should have just had a full out invasion once you had the audacity to rebel and if that failed, well its nuke time!

Do you agree with this?

The movie is full of loopholes, we should have easily.
Moving on to your Ireland and England reference:
From your point of view yes.
But as I met mentioned before it's an "us and them" outlook, the British wanted Ireland's resources, I can understand that but I would still be angry.
The main thing however is that it was Humans versus Humans in that case while in the movie it was Humans versus Aliens.
I care far less when it's us against another race, why should I care about another race?

I may not appreciate his example but Zac Dai is right in the way that "us and them" has been used to justify killing too many poeple just because their different from us. The "us and them" was part of the English occupation of Ireland, for them they believed that they had the right to control our land because of military superiority. Demented you have to appreciate that it wasn't that long ago that people thought of any culture that wasn't theirs was alien and should be destroyed.

 

[brainfreeze215]

I'll admit, this was one of those movies in which I just got so wrapped up that coming out of the movie gave me some short-lived depression, like what you when you wake up from a really great dream and have to realize that it wasn't real. It happened to me a lot when I was young and watching my favorite Disney movies. Though it was nothing compared to the magnitude of the depression that these folks are feeling.

 

[Mighty Lighty]

I smell a cult starting.

 

[ben---neb]

Idiots. Plain and simple.

Agreed. Eco nutcases the lot of them who can't cope with the real world so turn to this supposedly 'angelic' fake one not realising that life on Pandora is really nasty, brutish and short.