Avatar is out on DVD Now! YAY!!!

[Sixties Spidey]

It was a three hour tech demo that shoved all the flaws in your face. I could go on about the paper thin story, the unlikeable characters, the overused cliches and tropes, but the fact of the matter is that this was a bad movie. My point is this, A movie must stand up on its writing, narrative, and plot. If special effects are the primary focus, something has gone very very wrong.

No, that's not fact, that's your opinion. I think it was a good movie, that's my opinion.

And no, a movie does not have to stand up on its writing, narrative or plot in my opinion. It varies among people, but I judge films purely on their entertainment value. That's why I go to see films. Obviously, if a plot is good, it's a definite plus, but if the plot is bad, it doesn't matter as long as other elements in the overall experience outweigh it.
In this case, the admittedly poor plot, the unoriginality of the story, and the flakey acting from the supporting cast (I liked the characters myself), are compensated for by the setting, the cinematography, the action sequences and the overall feeling of wonder I experienced watching the film.
I respect your right to express your opinion, but calling a film bad and then claiming it's a 'fact' when many other people enjoy it is wrong.

Okay, probably a bad choice of words on my part, but what I meant to say was that it isn't very good in those three categories, which is what broke the movie for me. Now I can respect trying to make a movie look pretty and stunning, but really, why couldn't a similarly large portion of Avatar's $300 million budget be used to improve the writing, characters, story, narrative, and make it so that you can understand the human's conflict, while at the same time, understand the Navi's? Why couldn't the technology used to make the movie be used to make it not only very pretty, but also make it enchanting in terms of its story telling?

What I'm trying to say is with this technology, you could make a damn near perfect movie. A Citizen Kane, if you will, of our generation.

 

[blankedboy]

I'm really indifferent about this movie. On one hand, the second half is pretty damn awesome and the visuals kick ass. On the other, the storyline is cheesy, a bit wavery at times, some of the dialogue sucks, and I'll bet my left foot that the sequel is gonna suck balls.

 

[ChaoticLegion]

Seen the movie... yeah it was "pretty" but it's story was pretty unoriginal and in some areas completely stupid. Certainly won't be watching it on DVD as that'll pretty much remove the "pretty" factor and all you'll be left with is averageness.

On a second note, I also won't be watching this aforementioned "extended version"... why would i pay full price to see it again just for a new, what, 20 minutes of footage?

 

[Ninjamedic]

Given that the film was banking on its special effects I was disappointed at how Cameron could have done a lot more in the action department (He made FUCKING ALIENS for Christ sake).

 

[TheRundownRabbit]

am I the only one who hated Avatar?!

Oh no, it's almost completely split down the middle. Trust me, you're nowhere near alone either way.

Oh thank god!

 

[Trifixion]

If I buy Avatar now it would be for the Riff-Trax only (yes, they are doing one).

Yup, and they released yesterday. Got it, already created the dubbed-in disc version, watched it, laughed my ass off. First half-hour is a little slow with the riffing, but once Neytiri shows up, Mike, Kevin, and Bill turn it up to 11.

Not quite as good as the well-deserved sledgehammering they gave Twilight and New Moon, but pretty damn well-done nonetheless.

 

[Yumi_and_Erea]

Didn't know, don't care, don't want to.

I'm not gonna go on a crusade here and educate the masses on how it's really just Ferngully with a bigger budget, so I'll just say that I really don't care about Avatar or this release, and leave it at that.

 

[jamescorck]

If I buy Avatar now it would be for the Riff-Trax only (yes, they are doing one).

Yup, and they released yesterday. Got it, already created the dubbed-in disc version, watched it, laughed my ass off. First half-hour is a little slow with the riffing, but once Neytiri shows up, Mike, Kevin, and Bill turn it up to 11.

Not quite as good as the well-deserved sledgehammering they gave Twilight and New Moon, but pretty damn well-done nonetheless.

Well, that is probably a good thing, because I am a huge fan of "AVATAR" and I actually liked the movie enough to watch it more than just once on the theatres.

I will get the rifftrax as soon as I get money on my account (yeah, I don't even have 1 buck in it). I really want to listen to it because (like every fanboy should do and they don't) I am able to make fun of the things I like.

 

[Yumi_and_Erea]

Didn't know, don't care, don't want to.

I'm not gonna go on a crusade here and educate the masses on how it's really just Ferngully with a bigger budget, so I'll just say that I really don't care about Avatar or this release, and leave it at that.

I don't care so I'm going to post a message in a topic about it to totally tell people I don't care because I totally don't care, see how hard I don't care guys?

Okay, okay, fair enough, I'll admitt that was pretty snobbish of me.

I just don't get why people are all worked up over this or why they feel the need to tell others with threads like this.
If they have the right to express their enthusiasm, why can't people like me have to right to point out that we don't give a shit?

That seems a little hypocritical if you ask me.

 

[Robert632]

Yaaaay. I...really don't care. One of the most boring movies I've ever seen.

 

[Yumi_and_Erea]

Didn't know, don't care, don't want to.

I'm not gonna go on a crusade here and educate the masses on how it's really just Ferngully with a bigger budget, so I'll just say that I really don't care about Avatar or this release, and leave it at that.

I don't care so I'm going to post a message in a topic about it to totally tell people I don't care because I totally don't care, see how hard I don't care guys?

Okay, okay, fair enough, I'll admitt that was pretty snobbish of me.

I just don't get why people are all worked up over this or why they feel the need to tell others with threads like this.
If they have the right to express their enthusiasm, why can't people like me have to right to point out that we don't give a shit?

That seems a little hypocritical if you ask me.

Because if you don't give a shit you wouldn't feel the need to point out that you don't give a shit. If you truly didn't care at all you'd simply shrug and ignore any topics about Avatar because you simply didn't care and it didn't matter to you. But obviously it does to some degree, enough that you had to post to let everyone know. So either you secretly love/hate avatar and are ashamed of it or you just want attention.

Actually, if you'd bothered to read my second post you'd have noticed that it's not Avatar that bothers me, it's how people respond to it with threads like this and such.

I just thought I'd point out the fact that not everyone cares about Avatar.

Why do you insist that I had a deeper meaning than just making a simple observation?
Why do you feel the need to ascribe ulterior motives to a perfectly legitimate expression of one's opinion?
Why, for lack of a better phrase, are you so insecure about this?

The post above right above the one I'm quoting here is someone who like me, just doesn't care.
Do you think that post is wrong too?

Are you just going to insist that people only post when they care, rather than express their apathy regarding the nigh-incomprehensible popularity of movies such as Avatar?

If people don't care, they have the right to let the world know that.
The world might not particularly like to hear it, but it's our right, and I don't see why you have to be so insistent on the issue.

Stop condemning people for using their freedom of speech.

 

[Proverbial Jon]

No. That movie was a diamond encrusted pile of horseshit. Seriously guys? Unobtanium?! UNOBTANIUM?! UNOB-FUCKING-TANIUM?! Who the fuck thought this was a good name? BESIDES JAMES CAMERON. Exercise some fucking creative sense into writing for the love of Christ!

Umm well you can't blame James Cameron for this one...

Unobtanium is more of a concept, or running gag, really. It is a name given to any material that fits a particular purpose perfectly but does not actually exist. It was used LONG before Avatar. See a particularly awful film called: The Core and you'll see it being used.

May I direct you to THIS link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

The point is, it is substance of great value that humans will do anything to get. It's basically the greed and selfish want of humanity distilled into one substance; it's one huge metaphor. But it doesn't need a swanky name and we don't even need to know what it does because that is not the point. The point is to show what the antagonists of the film will do (destroy an innocent indigenous race) in order to get hold of what is nothing more than an arbitrary plot device, which in turn makes them seem even more evil because their motives seem so petty. I'm sure the choice of name was just another way of making the ore seem even more boring and insignificant.

Well, that's my view anyway. Sorry for taking up a valuable Avatar-bashing post space

 

[Death on Trapezoids]

I think that is absolutly hilarious and worthy of study that a positive post about something attracts more flamers/naysayers than actual people who at least like it.

On topic, yes I will be buying it.

 

[pelopelopelo]

I don't think I'll be getting it. It's not a very good film (achingly pretty though), but enjoyable enough the first time around. There is some pretty damn ropey writing in it, though made up for by the awesome spaceships but I lost all respect for it the moment they legitimately used Unobtanium as the name of the... for want of a better word, 'unobtanium' as Plot Device X.

Seriously?

Unobtanium?

That's been the in-joke name for the plot McGuffin for years.

That the plot is derivative doesn't really matter, but the fairly racist overtones stuck out quite a bit for me.

I love my SF, preferably hard but I have plenty of love for silly escapism like Star Wars. Avatar just didn't tickle me.

Still, it's not like I'm gonna shout at everyone who's WRONG about it though...