Baby drowns in bathtub, Mother busy on Facebook

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mr_rubino

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Pirate Kitty said:
moretimethansense said:
She fucking confessed!
Where the fuck is the reasonable doubt!?
Says this poster.

Police don't lie? Innocent people don't confess to crimes? Newspapers don't make mistakes? We have trials for a reason. Should we go ahead and convict people based solely on what they are reported to have said in the media? Good lord.

Best you calm down and mature.
You may rank as one of the least tolerable "debaters" I have seen on any forum not called Free Republic. But you do have the markings of a Freeper protege.
You're going to pull your back out if you constantly move the goalposts like that. (She's still gonna be found guilty though. That happens when you kill someone... usually. Then again OJ did kill those people anyway...)
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
mr_rubino said:
I'm as left wing and liberal as they come. Your assumptions and insult laden rhetoric do little for the appearance of your intelligence.
I walked into that one... *sigh*
Nonetheless, you know what they say about arguing with fools.
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
mr_rubino said:
Pirate Kitty said:
mr_rubino said:
I'm as left wing and liberal as they come. Your assumptions and insult laden rhetoric do little for the appearance of your intelligence.
I walked into that one... *sigh*
Nonetheless, you know what they say about arguing with fools.
Yes, and judging from your previous post, I will take that as my cue to stop discussion with you.
Then kindly do so.
 

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Swollen Goat said:
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You'd stake your life on the words of a media outlet being 100% accurate and I'm the one on drugs? Oh dear, oh dear. I hope you do know of a thing called the retractions section, wherein, on a daily basis, every newspaper the world over dedicates a page to errors and bad reporting.

Best you clam down, lay off the childish satire and mature rapidly. It will serve you better than any of the sarcasm and exclaimed insults.
Kitty, you know I've got nothing against you but I have to ask: How do you decide what you believe is true? You don't trust anything the media says, no matter the source or the content; you maintain that the police are fully capable of lying about anything at any given time...how did you decide that the courts are the one true bastion of honesty and decency, above all corruption? If you won't believe anything anyone tells you, how do you believe anything at all?
Short answer: Whatever the particular situation calls for.
 

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She left her kid in bathtub... alone... to play a stupid facebook game that doesn't even entertain most teenagers anymore (and yes I understand that this is a year old)... for 10 minutes? Why are people defending her again?
 

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I hope we all realise that this doesn't automatically make Facebook evil. Cars kill people but we blame the drivers, not the car itself. It's the same principle here.
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
Arrested? So she is still innocent. Will be interesting to see how many people will jump on the speeding bandwagon of words as fact and forget the justice in the criminal justice system.
It's still gross negligence. Leaving a baby unsupervised in a pool of water? That person does not deserve to have children of their own if they will leave them in a dangerous situation.
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
moretimethansense said:
You'd stake your life on the words of a media outlet being 100% accurate and I'm the one on drugs? Oh dear, oh dear. I hope you do know of a thing called the retractions section, wherein, on a daily basis, every newspaper the world over dedicates a page to errors and bad reporting.

Best you clam down, lay off the childish satire and mature rapidly. It will serve you better than any of the sarcasm and exclaimed insults.
That is not what you asked and you know it, you asked if I would stake my life on those four facts being 100% accurate, misquoting someone does not make your arguement seem smarter, it makes you look like a manipulative ****.

As for my "childish satire" and "exclaimed insults" since when is satire childish?
Not relevent to the debate but it really annoyed me when you said that, and my "exclaimed insults" you just tend to bring it out in me kitty, it's probebly a good thing we've never met in real life, I somhow doubt we'd get on.

Magicman10893 said:
She left her kid in bathtub... alone... to play a stupid facebook game that doesn't even entertain most teenagers anymore (and yes I understand that this is a year old)... for 10 minutes? Why are people defending her again?
THANK YOU!
I was begining to fear that I had fell between realities and was stuck on a plain where logic had packed up and left.
 

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moretimethansense said:
Magicman10893 said:
She left her kid in bathtub... alone... to play a stupid facebook game that doesn't even entertain most teenagers anymore (and yes I understand that this is a year old)... for 10 minutes? Why are people defending her again?
THANK YOU!
I was begining to fear that I had fell between realities and was stuck on a plain where logic had packed up and left.
While I may also be a left winger myself, I can clearly see that I am not on the jury and that my own personal opinion on the case does not matter. I (and by extension, everyone on here) is allowed to have an opinion based on the information given. And notice I said, "information given." Could this be falsified information on the mother's part? Sure. Do we know for certain that she IS lying? No. We have no real reason to assume she is lying about anything. And it doesn't really matter to us because we aren't on the damned jury!
 

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Pirate Kitty said:
moretimethansense said:
The facts:

She had one baby

She is now less one baby

The baby was found drowned in the bathtub

She claims to have put the child in the bathtub

She claims to have left the child alone
These are facts are they? You know this person first hand and are sure they once had a child who is now dead? No? How odd that you know this for fact then. Was it because they were (supposedly) reported in a news paper? Well, then every word of it must be true. I mean, who needs anything more than the word of a journalist, right?

I guess you'd be willing to stake your entire bank account on all of the above being completely truthful. All of your possessions. Your future. Your life. You know it's all 100% accurate - you just said so. So that would be no problem. No? Well, if you're not sure beyond any and all reasonable doubt, do not claim to know this person is guilty of any crime. We are talking about a very serious situation that could see someone spend a length of time in a prison. They would lose their house, their friends would most likely abandon them, they would have extreme difficulty ever getting a job again, and most of all, you would be convicting them of being responsible for the drowning death of their child.

Unless you're willing to bet your life on it, do not so casually claim to know facts that could ruin a persons life, all because you read a forum post.

Please do think long and hard about how you view media - for T.V. and newspapers, as it were, are not fact.
Are you telling us that the court doesn't make mistakes, too, or declare the guilty innocent? Look what happened with OJ Simpson. Yes, people have confessed to crimes they haven't committed, but seriously, how often does that happen? By your logic, criminals would be able to commit crimes and broadcast it to the world and run around free, just as long as they didn't get tried in court as guilty.
 

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Mcupobob said:
she felt "her son was preternaturally independent, and simply wanted to be alone."
Since when is a one year old independent and able to care for one's self? Despite her being a moron, I'm still not a 100% on the charges. She did seem to care for her child and such.
That and the fact that she admitted that she was guilty. But she has to get her head checked, damn I know that children grow up fast these days, but 1 year! never heard about that. Sad cause, but neglect definitely is a problem.
Just for all parents, never leave you kid alone in a bathtub!
 

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Irridium said:
If your a parent and you leave your 1 year-old baby alone in a bathtub full of water while you dick around on Facebook games... YOUR A BAD PARENT!
If your a parent and you leave your 1 year-old baby alone in a bathtub full of water...YOUR A BAD PARENT!

Doesn't matter the reason.
 

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samaugsch said:
Are you telling us that the court doesn't make mistakes, too, or declare the guilty innocent? Look what happened with OJ Simpson. Yes, people have confessed to crimes they haven't committed, but seriously, how often does that happen. By your logic, criminals would be able to commit crimes and broadcast it to the world and run around free, just as long as they didn't get tried in court as guilty.
What this guy said. On top of the OJ thing, a more clear cut example would be the guy that was convicted of rape like 20 or 30 years ago in Houston, Texas that was released a couple months ago when it was revealed that he didn't do it because they used new DNA testing technology to test the old evidence. I also remember something about a hundred rape cases were overturned after the "criminal" spent over half their lives in prison because we now have good DNA testing technologies. So the courts aren't exactly entirely trustworthy either.
 

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Here's my views on some of this.

ArandomHobo said:
wow parent kill child to play a social game
I agree, and ironically I consider raising a child to be the ultimate social game; expect it's not a game. I suppose 'social experience' is more accurate. I've never played Facebook games, and barely use my account at all because, frankly, I don't have time for that shit. However, from what I gather, Farmville and it's ilk are based around creating simulated farms, and stuff. Having a kid is not simulated, and what a parent is doing is shaping the life of another human being... for real, not just on website. Ugh.

On another note, where was the kid's father during this? I'm guessing she was either a single mother or the poor guy was at work. Imagine coming home to find that your son is dead because his mother was on Facebook. Even if he got the news through a phone call, it's utterly devastating. People don't just get over stuff that.

Bon_Clay said:
As much as I hate facebook and the shitty games on it, they aren't the problem. Whether she was on a computer, watching TV or just staring out a window its her fault for being a terrible parent. Pay attention to your god damn kids people.
Also true. It's not as if young children have ever been killed by any other form of neglect. There's lot's of ways this can happen and getting up in arms over Facebook is just creating a scapegoat to mask a larger problem.

Kenko said:
And this is why there should be a "Parental Test" before people are allowed to have children. That way stupid people die off and people with atleast something behind their forehead take over the planet, making it a better place.

Ah well, tragic story anyhows. Cant imagine the feeling of loss for ones child's death.
This is a terrible idea. While it may seem good on the surface, one must look at the logistics of such a thing and the ramifications that it would inflict on society. For instance, who would formulate such a test? Would there be some sort of panel of ethicists and psychologists? Who would appoint these people; the government I suppose? This could only lead to disaster. At best it would lead to a mass micromanaging of the general populace, creating a monumental bureaucracy to control something as commonplace and natural as procreation. How would one enforce this? Would you actually suggest making fugitives out of a pregnant women and probably the fathers as well, simply because of their desire to raise their own children? At the very worst such a program could lead to the practice of eugenics and, well, we know how that one usually ends. There are somethings which governments or other organizations have no business in, and this is one of them. It's a fact that sometimes shitty things are going to happen but attempts to put the screws to people to prevent any bad thing that might happen, is downright destructive to society as a whole.

Amphoteric said:
The child has the mothers DNA and therefore the mothers DNA won't be passed on.
Well that is sort of a callous thing to say. Genetics aren't that cut and dry, especially in humans. Just because the mother displays trait X doesn't necessarily mean the child will display trait X. There are far too many variables to even begin to make such an assumption, especially since living environment makes up a good portion of a child's development (although having a parent that's hooked on Facebook is hardly ideal). If nothing else consider the fact that, as far as I know, people are usually made from two genetic strains, so would it be such a stretch to imagine a kid sharing more traits with their father? Just sayin', it does happen.

Chibz said:
It's not a matter of not being able to have one. I just don't see their purpose. I see them as a drain on the person who they "Belong" to while providing zero benefits. I don't like a thing about them, or them themselves. It's just almost biologically hardwired into our brains to be mesmerized by their "cuteness". It doesn't work with me.

If I were to adopt (I'd never do the baby thing) it'd be a child already past that awful state. Past being a larva.
You should seriously consider moving to Rapture.

"Why children take so long to grow? They eat and drink like pig and give nothing back. Must find way to accelerate process." -- Dr. Suchong
(From a loading screen in BioShock)

theriddlen said:
See? I always thought that casual gaming is threat to society and all humanity achievements. And hell yeah i was right.

Go team hardcore!
PopCap will doom us all! Yeah, I haven't heard about neglect because a parent could pry themselves away from Half Life 2 (Ep. 3... please?) Aw, wishful thinking on a lighter note. [/wall'otext]