Banned from Eve Online or ''Why I'm considering to sue CCP''.

[Dommyboy]

OP, half of the replies in this thread are just horrid. You payed good money for an item and you deserve your rights to it.

It's like if you were paying a mortgage and then suddenly the banks just said 'fuck you, we're taking the house from you.' Unfortunately, the EULA of a strictly online game would be quite tight to get through to raise points on the dilemma they caused you.


Though, you could ring up the company and inquire about it?

 

[MasterSqueak]

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Maybe you should wait until they actually, you know, let you know why you were banned.

They'll probably email you something soon.

Yeah, but when you spend 3 years to build something, be it an avatar on anything else, you just want to consider every possibility right off the bat.

I'm sorry...but seriously?!?! It's a game, get over it. You want a sadface story? I used to dump about $150 USD into Second Life a month then the avatar I had for 4 years got banned because of some bullshit...you know what I did? I GOT OVER IT.

What I'm trying to say is...well...QQ Fatty...reroll...

QQ Fatty?

Are you on drugs or something? And you "getting over it" just shows that you were willing to let them screw you over.

OP, half of the replies in this thread are just horrid. You payed good money for an item and you deserve your rights to it.

It's like if you were paying a mortgage and then suddenly the banks just said 'fuck you, we're taking the house from you.' Unfortunately, the EULA of a strictly online game would be quite tight to get through to raise points on the dilemma they caused you.


Though, you could ring up the company and inquire about it?

He's waiting for them to E-mail him back.

And, as someone already pointed out, EULA's are not airtight, and a judge can overrule them if he thinks they are unfair.

 

[Mr.Something]

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Maybe you should wait until they actually, you know, let you know why you were banned.

They'll probably email you something soon.

Yeah, but when you spend 3 years to build something, be it an avatar on anything else, you just want to consider every possibility right off the bat.

I'm sorry...but seriously?!?! It's a game, get over it. You want a sadface story? I used to dump about $150 USD into Second Life a month then the avatar I had for 4 years got banned because of some bullshit...you know what I did? I GOT OVER IT.

What I'm trying to say is...well...QQ Fatty...reroll...

$150/m...you were paying real money for in-game special currency/items? the difference here is that he got to where he is in EVE by working his way up with the same disadvantages as everybody else playing. the relationships he formed with people he met online are much more deep than putting somebody on your buddies list or friend list in HoN/DotA and playing a few games with them every week or so. to be instantly severed from his financial and social investments without any given reason and by some random asshole is what makes him physically sick. all the negativity in this thread is from people who don't understand whole picture, and are stubborn in their own point of view or bandwagon members of the MMO-hater ideology that says these people have no life and that its just a game.

 

[island.rascal]

OP, half of the replies in this thread are just horrid. You payed good money for an item and you deserve your rights to it.

What rights? He got what he paid for, every month he paid 15 bucks, and every month they let him play. There is no "rights" CCP decided to ban him because he violated the EULA, or the ToS, or because it was Tuesday, or because their carpet told them to, or because they were mad that there was no ZP last week. My point is it doesn't matter the reason, they banned him.

 

[TimeLord]

Wow...after reading all of it I can safely say.
You are pathetic, Vomitting and planning to sue because your account got banned? Regardless of how much work was done on it, it was just a game. Bitching on the forums about it isnt going to do anything, niether will sueing them.

Withdrawal can cause nausea and vomiting, and he spent 500 bucks and months of playtime on it, just for some douche of a hacker to get him permabanned.

Suing people= wrong.
Suing people over a video game = hilariously wrong.

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

For me, it's more like CCP stole my money and did not give me any good reason for it. I payed CCP to play their game and without any reason or warning, they remove this service from me.

Like I said, I was pumped. I really hope that CCP will fix the issue soon enough.

The thing here is that I was not just temporarily banned, like people under investigation for hack or ISK trading are, or other minor offences. This is a permaban. I am shocked, as a consumer, that CCP did not send me a prior warning for what I did (I'm still wondering about that), did not even take into account the fact that I am an old player that never breached the rules before (and still did not) and finally did not even give me any details on the reason of the ban.

I do not want to sue CCP, I'm just saying it's a last resort. People might say it's silly, but by banning me for no reason, and if they don't unban me, CCP effectively destroyed all the long hours of work I've put into even online, hours I've paid for with the relatively small salary a student gets from working. Of course, I live at my parent's house since my college is like 15 minutes away if I walk, but I have to work for my clothes and any other luxury. This is not like Guild Wars where you pay once to play the game. Don't forget there is a monthly subscription. If the ban if final, I won't be reimbursed for last payment either.

You arnt paying them now are you? You payed for what you played and thats it. You need to calm down and go out into the sunlight

"Go out into the sunlight"?

That's it?

Months of playtime made worthless by a stupid hacker, and he should just forget it and move on?

Yes basically. If I got banned on my PSN I would be annoyed yes, but I'd get on with it and do something else.

 

[Dommyboy]

OP, half of the replies in this thread are just horrid. You payed good money for an item and you deserve your rights to it.

What rights? He got what he paid for, every month he paid 15 bucks, and every month they let him play. There is no "rights" CCP decided to ban him because he violated the EULA, or the ToS, or because it was Tuesday, or because their carpet told them to, or because they were mad that there was no ZP last week. My point is it doesn't matter the reason, they banned him.

My apologies then, I'm not entirely sure of how MMO EULAs or whatever work. I guess I'm just old fashioned in that sense of believing in equality and so forth.

 

[shannon.archer]

Also, honestly, if you're so heavily invested in a game that you literally get sick when faced with being excluded from it, you should reassess your priorities. No insult here, I'm just saying.

Very good point, if the thought of not playing makes you *physically* sick, it might be time to take a break...

Yeah this borderlines addiction but I see where you are coming from.

 

[GamingAwesome1]

For shame on all of you little fucks telling him to "Get over it! It's just a game". It's a game that he's payed money for. Lots of money.

Your feelings of physical sickness are totally normal aswell, it can happen with anything that you like and do on a regular basis and then gets taken away from you.

The point here is that he has lost his money for an unexplained reason and never allowed to return.

I say first keep contacting them to try and settle the issue, it could've been a misunderstanding they have a lot of letters and e-mails to read, you know!

If they still refuse even after you have presented a good reason for why you shouldn't have been banned or at least why it wasn't you then go and sue the crap outta them!

 

[Heathrow]

That sucks man, hope it gets sorted out.

 

[MasterSqueak]

OP, half of the replies in this thread are just horrid. You payed good money for an item and you deserve your rights to it.

What rights? He got what he paid for, every month he paid 15 bucks, and every month they let him play. There is no "rights" CCP decided to ban him because he violated the EULA, or the ToS, or because it was Tuesday, or because their carpet told them to, or because they were mad that there was no ZP last week. My point is it doesn't matter the reason, they banned him.

My apologies then, I'm not entirely sure of how MMO EULAs or whatever work. I guess I'm just old fashioned in that sense of believing in equality and so forth.

A judge can overrule a EULA, and it has happened before.

 

[Mr.Something]

OP, half of the replies in this thread are just horrid. You payed good money for an item and you deserve your rights to it.

What rights? He got what he paid for, every month he paid 15 bucks, and every month they let him play. There is no "rights" CCP decided to ban him because he violated the EULA, or the ToS, or because it was Tuesday, or because their carpet told them to, or because they were mad that there was no ZP last week. My point is it doesn't matter the reason, they banned him.

why did a man go on a rampage and kill 13 people?
why did the U.S. economy become so shitty?
why is barney the dinosaur purple?
why is the sky blue?
we, as humans, have the ability to question events in search for logical answers to why they happened or continue to happen. why should we punish people who murder other people? he killed another man period end of story we're-not-going-to-look-for-him does not satisfy us.

 

[MasterSqueak]

Wow...after reading all of it I can safely say.
You are pathetic, Vomitting and planning to sue because your account got banned? Regardless of how much work was done on it, it was just a game. Bitching on the forums about it isnt going to do anything, niether will sueing them.

Withdrawal can cause nausea and vomiting, and he spent 500 bucks and months of playtime on it, just for some douche of a hacker to get him permabanned.

Suing people= wrong.
Suing people over a video game = hilariously wrong.

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

For me, it's more like CCP stole my money and did not give me any good reason for it. I payed CCP to play their game and without any reason or warning, they remove this service from me.

Like I said, I was pumped. I really hope that CCP will fix the issue soon enough.

The thing here is that I was not just temporarily banned, like people under investigation for hack or ISK trading are, or other minor offences. This is a permaban. I am shocked, as a consumer, that CCP did not send me a prior warning for what I did (I'm still wondering about that), did not even take into account the fact that I am an old player that never breached the rules before (and still did not) and finally did not even give me any details on the reason of the ban.

I do not want to sue CCP, I'm just saying it's a last resort. People might say it's silly, but by banning me for no reason, and if they don't unban me, CCP effectively destroyed all the long hours of work I've put into even online, hours I've paid for with the relatively small salary a student gets from working. Of course, I live at my parent's house since my college is like 15 minutes away if I walk, but I have to work for my clothes and any other luxury. This is not like Guild Wars where you pay once to play the game. Don't forget there is a monthly subscription. If the ban if final, I won't be reimbursed for last payment either.

You arnt paying them now are you? You payed for what you played and thats it. You need to calm down and go out into the sunlight

"Go out into the sunlight"?

That's it?

Months of playtime made worthless by a stupid hacker, and he should just forget it and move on?

Yes basically. If I got banned on my PSN I would be annoyed yes, but I'd get on with it and do something else.

Sheep.

People like you annoy me, never caring to stand up and fight for your rights, thinking if it's not handed to you on a silver platter you can't have it.

OP, half of the replies in this thread are just horrid. You payed good money for an item and you deserve your rights to it.

What rights? He got what he paid for, every month he paid 15 bucks, and every month they let him play. There is no "rights" CCP decided to ban him because he violated the EULA, or the ToS, or because it was Tuesday, or because their carpet told them to, or because they were mad that there was no ZP last week. My point is it doesn't matter the reason, they banned him.

So, he should just let himself get screwed over? He did nothing, got banned, and should accept that?

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

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Maybe you should wait until they actually, you know, let you know why you were banned.

They'll probably email you something soon.

Yeah, but when you spend 3 years to build something, be it an avatar on anything else, you just want to consider every possibility right off the bat.

I'm sorry...but seriously?!?! It's a game, get over it. You want a sadface story? I used to dump about $150 USD into Second Life a month then the avatar I had for 4 years got banned because of some bullshit...you know what I did? I GOT OVER IT.

What I'm trying to say is...well...QQ Fatty...reroll...

$150/m...you were paying real money for in-game special currency/items? the difference here is that he got to where he is in EVE by working his way up with the same disadvantages as everybody else playing. the relationships he formed with people he met online are much more deep than putting somebody on your buddies list or friend list in HoN/DotA and playing a few games with them every week or so. to be instantly severed from his financial and social investments without any given reason and by some random asshole is what makes him physically sick. all the negativity in this thread is from people who don't understand whole picture, and are stubborn in their own point of view or bandwagon members of the MMO-hater ideology that says these people have no life and that its just a game.

Well, I can understand how hard it might be to picture my situation unless you are veteran of any MMO.

 

[Andronicus]

I'm sorry, I don't play MMO's at all, so can someone please define a permaban for me? I thought that a simple ban was the most absolute of lock-outs. Is a ban on an MMO the equivalent of a suspension on this site?

OT: Dude, this really does suck. I know what it's like to lose progress on a game, thanks to corruption of data, accidental deletion of save files and all that, and I don't even want to think about what would have happened if on top of that there was some kind of monthly subscription involved.

I don't know how the world of MMO's work, so I'm definitely not speaking from expereince here. From what I hear though, EVE has, well, a pretty big fanbase. What's one person to them among millions? Your pleas may carry across the sea of complaints by others (undoubtably this will not have been an isolated case) if your lucky, but I wouldn't hold my breath. If it comes to a lawsuit, I daresay you wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell, but it might be enough to get them to listen to you.

But you've got to think this through. Even if you get your account back, will this happen again? If it does, will you be able to get the same result? Is all the pain you'll have to endure really worth it? I love gaming as much as the next person, but to let it get to me like that, even I'd reconsider it for a second. Maybe it's about time you took up a new hobby, a new MMO. I know pretty sure there's nothing else quite like EVE on the market, but hey, there's a whole world out there of... well, other worlds!

If push comes to shove, I'm rooting for you, but be aware that this sort of thing could happen again, especially, as someone else pointed out, if the person who hacked you is someone that knows you. You know what I would suggust? Even if you got your account back, in whatever form, just leave it for, say, a week, and try something new. You could find other passions, other things that make you happy. You can always go back to EVE, but you could have other hobbies to complement that. That way you'd have something to fall back on should your account get hacked again, to keep your mind occupied while you deal with the stress.

I think I've written enough now, but just think about it. Hope you get some kind of result soon.

 

[TimeLord]

Wow...after reading all of it I can safely say.
You are pathetic, Vomitting and planning to sue because your account got banned? Regardless of how much work was done on it, it was just a game. Bitching on the forums about it isnt going to do anything, niether will sueing them.

Withdrawal can cause nausea and vomiting, and he spent 500 bucks and months of playtime on it, just for some douche of a hacker to get him permabanned.

Suing people= wrong.
Suing people over a video game = hilariously wrong.

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

For me, it's more like CCP stole my money and did not give me any good reason for it. I payed CCP to play their game and without any reason or warning, they remove this service from me.

Like I said, I was pumped. I really hope that CCP will fix the issue soon enough.

The thing here is that I was not just temporarily banned, like people under investigation for hack or ISK trading are, or other minor offences. This is a permaban. I am shocked, as a consumer, that CCP did not send me a prior warning for what I did (I'm still wondering about that), did not even take into account the fact that I am an old player that never breached the rules before (and still did not) and finally did not even give me any details on the reason of the ban.

I do not want to sue CCP, I'm just saying it's a last resort. People might say it's silly, but by banning me for no reason, and if they don't unban me, CCP effectively destroyed all the long hours of work I've put into even online, hours I've paid for with the relatively small salary a student gets from working. Of course, I live at my parent's house since my college is like 15 minutes away if I walk, but I have to work for my clothes and any other luxury. This is not like Guild Wars where you pay once to play the game. Don't forget there is a monthly subscription. If the ban if final, I won't be reimbursed for last payment either.

You arnt paying them now are you? You payed for what you played and thats it. You need to calm down and go out into the sunlight

"Go out into the sunlight"?

That's it?

Months of playtime made worthless by a stupid hacker, and he should just forget it and move on?

Yes basically. If I got banned on my PSN I would be annoyed yes, but I'd get on with it and do something else.

Sheep.

People like you annoy me, never caring to stand up and fight for your rights, thinking if it's not handed to you on a silver platter you can't have it.

I will stand up for what I believe in if it's worth it, but being banned from a game where the company have every right to ban you is not worth it.

 

[island.rascal]

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Maybe you should wait until they actually, you know, let you know why you were banned.

They'll probably email you something soon.

Yeah, but when you spend 3 years to build something, be it an avatar on anything else, you just want to consider every possibility right off the bat.

I'm sorry...but seriously?!?! It's a game, get over it. You want a sadface story? I used to dump about $150 USD into Second Life a month then the avatar I had for 4 years got banned because of some bullshit...you know what I did? I GOT OVER IT.

What I'm trying to say is...well...QQ Fatty...reroll...

$150/m...you were paying real money for in-game special currency/items? the difference here is that he got to where he is in EVE by working his way up with the same disadvantages as everybody else playing. the relationships he formed with people he met online are much more deep than putting somebody on your buddies list or friend list in HoN/DotA and playing a few games with them every week or so. to be instantly severed from his financial and social investments without any given reason and by some random asshole is what makes him physically sick. all the negativity in this thread is from people who don't understand whole picture, and are stubborn in their own point of view or bandwagon members of the MMO-hater ideology that says these people have no life and that its just a game.

Well, I can understand how hard it might be to picture my situation unless you are veteran of any MMO.

And how would 4 years of online currency, items, scripts, and intellectual property qualify me as anything other than a veteran? My point is life isn't fair. As much as it should be, it's not. When it comes down to it what you're getting upset about is a video game. A virtual representation of a world which, at it's core, is nothing more than 1's and 0's.

 

[Snotnarok]

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Maybe you should wait until they actually, you know, let you know why you were banned.

They'll probably email you something soon.

Yeah, but when you spend 3 years to build something, be it an avatar on anything else, you just want to consider every possibility right off the bat.

I'm sorry...but seriously?!?! It's a game, get over it. You want a sadface story? I used to dump about $150 USD into Second Life a month then the avatar I had for 4 years got banned because of some bullshit...you know what I did? I GOT OVER IT.

What I'm trying to say is...well...QQ Fatty...reroll...

$150/m...you were paying real money for in-game special currency/items? the difference here is that he got to where he is in EVE by working his way up with the same disadvantages as everybody else playing. the relationships he formed with people he met online are much more deep than putting somebody on your buddies list or friend list in HoN/DotA and playing a few games with them every week or so. to be instantly severed from his financial and social investments without any given reason and by some random asshole is what makes him physically sick. all the negativity in this thread is from people who don't understand whole picture, and are stubborn in their own point of view or bandwagon members of the MMO-hater ideology that says these people have no life and that its just a game.

Well, I can understand how hard it might be to picture my situation unless you are veteran of any MMO.

Yes it's hard to picture when you don't read what you agree too so you can play the game

ii. Termination of EULA
CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the subscription fee when due; (ii) CCP is unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide; (iii) you or anyone using any of your Accounts materially breaches the EULA, makes any unauthorized use of the System or Software, or infringes the rights of CCP or any third party; or (iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you.
CCP reserves the right to terminate any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the closed Account. Termination by CCP under this section shall be without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights or remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative. You will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees for a termination pursuant to this section.


You can't sue them because you agreed to the contract, this would be direct from their site. So look, I hope you get your game back or whatever but don't go thinking you can sue companies because they banned you. ALL games have a EULA to cover their asses and they cover this crap, you may have said it's your "last resort" but it's not an option at all. So before you think you can even make it into a courtroom you make sure you tell your lawyer friend that you signed a contract stating that "They can ban you if they find your username under ANYONES use, and that it's possible that someone hijacked your account and got you banned, which is stated in the terms of the EULA."

 

[Korolev]

It's unlikely you could sue them for any significant amount of money. To you, EVE online is an important past time. To a judge, it's just a game.

 

[MasterSqueak]

Wow...after reading all of it I can safely say.
You are pathetic, Vomitting and planning to sue because your account got banned? Regardless of how much work was done on it, it was just a game. Bitching on the forums about it isnt going to do anything, niether will sueing them.

Withdrawal can cause nausea and vomiting, and he spent 500 bucks and months of playtime on it, just for some douche of a hacker to get him permabanned.

Suing people= wrong.
Suing people over a video game = hilariously wrong.

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

For me, it's more like CCP stole my money and did not give me any good reason for it. I payed CCP to play their game and without any reason or warning, they remove this service from me.

Like I said, I was pumped. I really hope that CCP will fix the issue soon enough.

The thing here is that I was not just temporarily banned, like people under investigation for hack or ISK trading are, or other minor offences. This is a permaban. I am shocked, as a consumer, that CCP did not send me a prior warning for what I did (I'm still wondering about that), did not even take into account the fact that I am an old player that never breached the rules before (and still did not) and finally did not even give me any details on the reason of the ban.

I do not want to sue CCP, I'm just saying it's a last resort. People might say it's silly, but by banning me for no reason, and if they don't unban me, CCP effectively destroyed all the long hours of work I've put into even online, hours I've paid for with the relatively small salary a student gets from working. Of course, I live at my parent's house since my college is like 15 minutes away if I walk, but I have to work for my clothes and any other luxury. This is not like Guild Wars where you pay once to play the game. Don't forget there is a monthly subscription. If the ban if final, I won't be reimbursed for last payment either.

You arnt paying them now are you? You payed for what you played and thats it. You need to calm down and go out into the sunlight

"Go out into the sunlight"?

That's it?

Months of playtime made worthless by a stupid hacker, and he should just forget it and move on?

Yes basically. If I got banned on my PSN I would be annoyed yes, but I'd get on with it and do something else.

Sheep.

People like you annoy me, never caring to stand up and fight for your rights, thinking if it's not handed to you on a silver platter you can't have it.

I will stand up for what I believe in if it's worth it, but being banned from a game where the company have every right to ban you is not worth it.

I can see this isn't going to change your mind. How about we just drop it?