Banned from Eve Online or ''Why I'm considering to sue CCP''.

[TimeLord]

Wow...after reading all of it I can safely say.
You are pathetic, Vomitting and planning to sue because your account got banned? Regardless of how much work was done on it, it was just a game. Bitching on the forums about it isnt going to do anything, niether will sueing them.

Withdrawal can cause nausea and vomiting, and he spent 500 bucks and months of playtime on it, just for some douche of a hacker to get him permabanned.

Suing people= wrong.
Suing people over a video game = hilariously wrong.

You are suffering from being a dumb kid and not having proper priorities in life -syndrome. I mean getting upset to the point of sickness over a silly video game? I recommend you calm down, look at this from an outsiders point of view, and get a fucking grip.

For me, it's more like CCP stole my money and did not give me any good reason for it. I payed CCP to play their game and without any reason or warning, they remove this service from me.

Like I said, I was pumped. I really hope that CCP will fix the issue soon enough.

The thing here is that I was not just temporarily banned, like people under investigation for hack or ISK trading are, or other minor offences. This is a permaban. I am shocked, as a consumer, that CCP did not send me a prior warning for what I did (I'm still wondering about that), did not even take into account the fact that I am an old player that never breached the rules before (and still did not) and finally did not even give me any details on the reason of the ban.

I do not want to sue CCP, I'm just saying it's a last resort. People might say it's silly, but by banning me for no reason, and if they don't unban me, CCP effectively destroyed all the long hours of work I've put into even online, hours I've paid for with the relatively small salary a student gets from working. Of course, I live at my parent's house since my college is like 15 minutes away if I walk, but I have to work for my clothes and any other luxury. This is not like Guild Wars where you pay once to play the game. Don't forget there is a monthly subscription. If the ban if final, I won't be reimbursed for last payment either.

You arnt paying them now are you? You payed for what you played and thats it. You need to calm down and go out into the sunlight

"Go out into the sunlight"?

That's it?

Months of playtime made worthless by a stupid hacker, and he should just forget it and move on?

Yes basically. If I got banned on my PSN I would be annoyed yes, but I'd get on with it and do something else.

Sheep.

People like you annoy me, never caring to stand up and fight for your rights, thinking if it's not handed to you on a silver platter you can't have it.

I will stand up for what I believe in if it's worth it, but being banned from a game where the company have every right to ban you is not worth it.

I can see this isn't going to change your mind. How about we just drop it?

That sounds like a good plan

 

[Mr.Something]

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Maybe you should wait until they actually, you know, let you know why you were banned.

They'll probably email you something soon.

Yeah, but when you spend 3 years to build something, be it an avatar on anything else, you just want to consider every possibility right off the bat.

I'm sorry...but seriously?!?! It's a game, get over it. You want a sadface story? I used to dump about $150 USD into Second Life a month then the avatar I had for 4 years got banned because of some bullshit...you know what I did? I GOT OVER IT.

What I'm trying to say is...well...QQ Fatty...reroll...

$150/m...you were paying real money for in-game special currency/items? the difference here is that he got to where he is in EVE by working his way up with the same disadvantages as everybody else playing. the relationships he formed with people he met online are much more deep than putting somebody on your buddies list or friend list in HoN/DotA and playing a few games with them every week or so. to be instantly severed from his financial and social investments without any given reason and by some random asshole is what makes him physically sick. all the negativity in this thread is from people who don't understand whole picture, and are stubborn in their own point of view or bandwagon members of the MMO-hater ideology that says these people have no life and that its just a game.

Well, I can understand how hard it might be to picture my situation unless you are veteran of any MMO.

And how would 4 years of online currency, items, scripts, and intellectual property qualify me as anything other than a veteran? My point is life isn't fair. As much as it should be, it's not. When it comes down to it what you're getting upset about is a video game. A virtual representation of a world which, at it's core, is nothing more than 1's and 0's.

In your mind, it comes down to just a game.
What you are assuming here is that all games are supposed to be past-times and hobbies that it is a personal sin to get emotionally attached to.
Lets say you have a dog. You sleep with this dog at night, feed him food that you bought, buy him toys, teach him tricks, etc. I walk in your house one day with a pistol and say YOUR DOG SUCKS BALLS and shoot him. I leave and nobody tries to stop me, the police don't investigate, and you're stuck with years worth of vet bills and living expenses and nothing to show for it.
How do you react?

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

I'm sorry, I don't play MMO's at all, so can someone please define a permaban for me? I thought that a simple ban was the most absolute of lock-outs. Is a ban on an MMO the equivalent of a suspension on this site?

OT: Dude, this really does suck. I know what it's like to lose progress on a game, thanks to corruption of data, accidental deletion of save files and all that, and I don't even want to think about what would have happened if on top of that there was some kind of monthly subscription involved.

I don't know how the world of MMO's work, so I'm definitely not speaking from expereince here. From what I hear though, EVE has, well, a pretty big fanbase. What's one person to them among millions? Your pleas may carry across the sea of complaints by others (undoubtably this will not have been an isolated case) if your lucky, but I wouldn't hold my breath. If it comes to a lawsuit, I daresay you wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell, but it might be enough to get them to listen to you.

But you've got to think this through. Even if you get your account back, will this happen again? If it does, will you be able to get the same result? Is all the pain you'll have to endure really worth it? I love gaming as much as the next person, but to let it get to me like that, even I'd reconsider it for a second. Maybe it's about time you took up a new hobby, a new MMO. I know pretty sure there's nothing else quite like EVE on the market, but hey, there's a whole world out there of... well, other worlds!

If push comes to shove, I'm rooting for you, but be aware that this sort of thing could happen again, especially, as someone else pointed out, if the person who hacked you is someone that knows you. You know what I would suggust? Even if you got your account back, in whatever form, just leave it for, say, a week, and try something new. You could find other passions, other things that make you happy. You can always go back to EVE, but you could have other hobbies to complement that. That way you'd have something to fall back on should your account get hacked again, to keep your mind occupied while you deal with the stress.

I think I've written enough now, but just think about it. Hope you get some kind of result soon.

Thanks. Will do.

To answer your former question, I'd say that, yes, 3 years of hard work is worth a lawsuit.

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

It's unlikely you could sue them for any significant amount of money. To you, EVE online is an important past time. To a judge, it's just a game.

If I have to sue them, it won't be for the money. I would just want my account back, with maybe a 1 or 2 months free subscription for the time lost during the ban.

 

[island.rascal]

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Maybe you should wait until they actually, you know, let you know why you were banned.

They'll probably email you something soon.

Yeah, but when you spend 3 years to build something, be it an avatar on anything else, you just want to consider every possibility right off the bat.

I'm sorry...but seriously?!?! It's a game, get over it. You want a sadface story? I used to dump about $150 USD into Second Life a month then the avatar I had for 4 years got banned because of some bullshit...you know what I did? I GOT OVER IT.

What I'm trying to say is...well...QQ Fatty...reroll...

$150/m...you were paying real money for in-game special currency/items? the difference here is that he got to where he is in EVE by working his way up with the same disadvantages as everybody else playing. the relationships he formed with people he met online are much more deep than putting somebody on your buddies list or friend list in HoN/DotA and playing a few games with them every week or so. to be instantly severed from his financial and social investments without any given reason and by some random asshole is what makes him physically sick. all the negativity in this thread is from people who don't understand whole picture, and are stubborn in their own point of view or bandwagon members of the MMO-hater ideology that says these people have no life and that its just a game.

Well, I can understand how hard it might be to picture my situation unless you are veteran of any MMO.

And how would 4 years of online currency, items, scripts, and intellectual property qualify me as anything other than a veteran? My point is life isn't fair. As much as it should be, it's not. When it comes down to it what you're getting upset about is a video game. A virtual representation of a world which, at it's core, is nothing more than 1's and 0's.

In your mind, it comes down to just a game.
What you are assuming here is that all games are supposed to be past-times and hobbies that it is a personal sin to get emotionally attached to.
Lets say you have a dog. You sleep with this dog at night, feed him food that you bought, buy him toys, teach him tricks, etc. I walk in your house one day with a pistol and say YOUR DOG SUCKS BALLS and shoot him. I leave and nobody tries to stop me, the police don't investigate, and you're stuck with years worth of vet bills and living expenses and nothing to show for it.
How do you react?

First off, I find your comparison quite odd, secondly, I'd let you get about half way down the driveway, take off your arms and one of your feet with my Barrett M82, then I'd grab my .45 Desert Eagle, put two in your head and one in your chest, roll you up in plastic wrap, drive you out to my families 20 acre lot, dig you a nice shallow grave, throw you in, pour 5 gallons of gasoline in after you, smile as your flesh burned away from your bones, take a piss then leave your charred corpse out in the open for the wild animals to snack on...NO ONE discharges a firearm in my house...

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

I really like your input people, but a man's gotta sleep. I will try to read and reply to as many comments that will be added after this one as possible in a few hours.

Carry on.

 

[Heeman89]

This is the very most intense forum post I have ever seen. In fact, it was so intense it actually was kind of disturbing. So rather then just go on saying it's just a videogame, I'm going to ask you one simple question.

Have you ever thought about seeing a therapist?

It's clear that you are psychologically addicted and it's causing you serious physical pain. You may need to put the game down for a bit so you can get in touch with the things that really make you happy, and not the things that you feel obligated to use because of some false sense of responsibility.

puking, panicking, and threatening to sue over the idea of a permaban is definitely not natural. Rather then going back to EVE I would strongly suggest you get in touch with yourself and seek help for your problem.

No, it's no such a bad comment he made, but it,s a bit like that Xbox player that tried to get the highest gamerscore. Apparently MS reset his gamerscore because he might have been a hacker, since his gamerscore was going up too fast. Needless to say he was pretty angry. They may have been some brag points, but for him, it was his favourite hobby. I think I felt like him when I discovered my permaban. Now if unlike him I could get my own ''gamerscore'' back.

Can sombody look for that story, I can't find it on GamePolitics.com

I'm not really sure what to say here, if it is addiction to the game I would suggest same thing as is quoted in this post but I don't think that's it. You mentioned you were taking classes? Is it maybe stress-induced from that? The reason I ask is because I had a similar incident in my life about 6 months ago. Between getting laid off at work and trying to finish college and getting cheated on and dumped by my fiance 3 months before the wedding I was a little stressed. After a long night at work I got home and turned on my 360 to play a little Halo 3 only to discover my account had been temporarily banned. I had the EXACT same symptoms you had plus I got in a little bit of a rage about it. I did go see a counselor eventually and they said it was a combination of it all and the ban on what I was using as my escape from all the bad in my life just set it all off.

Now the reason I told you that is just as a friendly suggestion from an Ex-EVE Online player and someone who has been in a similar situation before, you might want to check out some sort of medical/counseling help, even just entrusting in a friend your concerns it will help in this situation. Don't let this ban be "the straw that breaks the camel's back" in your life if you have a lot of other stresses in your life.

The moderators are USUALLY pretty good in EVE so you should get something back soon.

Hope things work out for ya

 

[sramota]

Good luck,
they're in Iceland, so you're suing them on Icelandic law,
and it pretty much states "bugger off foreigner" in these cases.

Further you won't win as:
1)They got more lawyers than you do
2)Rental of software can be terminated at any time without prior notice as that's, well, how it works.
3)If you for a second thought you had any rights or 'owned' anything here, you need to go back to school.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Account security is your responsibility.

qq moar.

 

[FROGGEman2]

Do it!

To me it sounds like an awesome idea.

Think of the money...

 

[Xaryn Mar]

It is interesting to note that an EULA violation can get a person banned. In Denmark the EULA is not worth the bytes it takes up unless it is printed in its entirety (and readable) in the box it self so that it can be read before purchase. Any agreement to a contract (Which the EULA is) must be done before or at purchase and with a signature.

 

[Your once and future Fanboy]

If you are going to sue, you must realize that you need some evidence of your innocence, i would suggest you supine for the records of the incident, things like what I.P address was used and when were you're logged in (maybe you can prove you were somewhere you could have possibly logged in). If you don't have any evidence to back you up, then the whole mess will become your word against an entire company's, and if that happens i assure you that you will lose.

 

[Mekado]

Your symptoms of physical illness make sense, ignore people bagging on you for that. Some of them are also probably psychosomatic, so try to calm down about this whole thing. Also, if you play the game with a regular schedual then your suffering from a mild withdrawal effect due to the lack of expected brain chemical release that your body has become accustomed to over the last three years. If this is the case its probably a dopamine issue. Should clear up as your body chemical re-adjusts.

Those are the three main reasons people get banned and you clearly did one of the three.

Unless he was hacked. In which case someone who stole a part of his identity did one of the three.
You might run into difficulty proving you were hacked although i suppose if the access came from a computer you never use you can try and point to that.

I suggest if you do go the litigation route you threaten to sue and then asked that it be settled out of court by granting you your account back with a different passoword and possibly name.
Keep in mind that seeminly petty cases against giant forces can be won. I read about a kid who sued the school for being suspended three days after he gave a mildly suggestive speech. He won damages equal to three days of teachers salary but the school also had to pay thousands of dollars in his and their own court costs.

And come on, it's a video game!

If its a game that charges 15 a month to play then the company just took more than $500 from him and kicked him out the door without even telling him why.

Well, I mean, I was shocked, but then even more shocked to know I felt sick about the whole thing. Heh, now I don't feel so bad about it.

People think that EULA will protect a company like CCP at 100% in every country in the world, While I am aware that EULA gives them some protection, blatantly violating the consumers laws in Quebec probably won't help them.

Thank you for your input, it really shows that you've read the whole first post. We must not forget that my goal here is to get my account back and that's it. The only reason for me to be worried is that I received a ban instead of a permaban. Usually, accounts that suspected to be hacked are simply temporarily banned until the matter can be fixed. So why a permaban for me? Looks like the GM who banned me didn't do his homework (check if last login use same IP as other times, look at history of player, look for past offences etc). I mean, even during Unholy Rage (Raid on ISK sellers accounts) they gave a chance to the offenders, before permabanning the people who went to their old ways. I even praised that operation. But why do I get permban without even knowing why?

Not going to happen, even in Quebec court

You signed a contract (the EULA) if you think it was an unfair one, you shouldn't have signed it (chances are you never even read it)

Anyways you seem hellbent on crying and complaining even before getting an answer from the company, good luck with your tantrum kid.You're absolutely not interested in being level-headed and waiting for their reply.

They did *not* tell you to stick it, you *just* started the resolution process.Calm down.

 

[accountant]

Honestly, it's probably good for you, and get over it, make a new account if you must and re-add your friends.

 

[Chrissyluky]

I know how helpless you feel i felt that way too when my steam account was hijacked almost lost all my games. hope you get your account back good luck.

 

[Sethzard]

I know it means a lot to you, but really, in the great scheme of things, it's not like they planted a virus that stole all of your money. I hope you get it back, but for gods sake please don't put a post on a forum whining about it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

This thread made me sad for video games. 1 Because the arbitrary banning feels unfair but they are within their rights to do it. 2 Your frankly ridiculous reaction, I mean come on that kind of reaction normally reserved for a death. 3. How some folks on here don?t understand that he got what he paid for.

 

[Ossum]

They didn't steal $500 from you, the most you could claim as loss is the remainder of the final month's online fee. You paid $485 for completed months of service so that's their money now. Because it's a EULA violation (whatever the cause) you even forfeit the final month. There is no money in their posession that's rightfully yours, according to the terms you agreed to.

IANAL, but damn... read those terms. You agreed to do whatever they want you to, pay whatever they want, and to let them do whatever they want. You agreed to leave yourself no recourse in cases like this, and you even told them you'd take their decisions like a good little boy.