Bayonetta 2 announced as Wii U exclusive, console gamers pissed.

[rob_simple]

Having played CoD, Battlefield and Halo I can confirm that, especially in the former two, there is little to no difference in how they play. Halo isn't much different, it's just a lot more clunky, and the enemies are slightly more colourful; but it's still the same procession of skirmishes and dodgy vehicle sections we've grown used to this generation.

On the other hand, all the hack and slashers mentioned handle differently, have different visual styles and only a few recurring themes (weapon sets, magic attacks etc.) and I only actually like two of them. The control-mapping is pretty similar but that's because it's the established set-up for hack-and-slashers; not everyone has time to spend three or four hours mastering a completely new layout with every new game they play.

At the end of the day though, surely only a fool would try to claim that there's more variety, both thematically and in terms of gameplay, between two games where you are part of a military unit trying to battle some foreign insurgency than games where you play as a horseman of the apocalypse/poledancing-witch/demon-human hybrid, doing anything from systematically wiping out the gods of Olympus to beating the shit out of Death on your way to the top of a hell-tower to fight your evil twin.

Halo has you using weapons that don't even exist, using a needler is a lot different than an AK47. You have to let the bullets explode while the enemies bullets do instant damage. That is just 1 example.

Cod is different to BF 'cos 1 game has almost 0 recoil in there guns, 0 bullet drop, 0 reason to play as a team and 0 supression ... the other is exactly the opposite.

Please, list how different the 6 I mentioned are 'cos so far all you and the other 2 have said in your posts is "they are different". I am not even saying shooters are the best examples to be giving, somebody else brought up shooters.

To me hack and slash games are like Fifa and PES or Madden and NCAA ... sure the names are different on each of the people but in the end you're putting a ball in the goal/end zone.

I have played DMC, GOW, ninja gaiden and the demo to Bayonetta but they all feel the same. There is fuck all differences, you could reskin DMC's Dante with GOW's Kratos with all of Kratos's weapons and magic and the game would play exactly the same.

Can they all float while attacking? Yes. Do range weapons do fuck all? Yes. Do they all have bosses all bigger than buildings? Yes. Do they all have super powers? Yes. All the people are interchangeable.

Now imagine putting a soldier in Halo, he wouldn't last 1 second. Halo soldier in COD, juggernaught suit. Halo soldier in BF, he is the only guy with a shield and plasma nades (not to mention things like armor lock)

As for the control schemes, why bring them up? Of course they are the same ... Nobody argued differently.

Well, I already listed several differences in the games but you seem to have wilfully ignored them. Oh, okay, so by your rules all shooters are the same because you fire guns and projectiles come out the end that kill enemies? That a fair assessment, too, yeah?

No, of course not. If you played God of War, DMC etc and honestly didn't see any difference then nothing I can tell you will change your mind, but suffice to say that while all of them handle pretty much the same, there are subtle differences in the way the play (the fluidity of the moves for one; Kratos is extremely heavy-handed where Dante switches between short and long range weapons several times in a single fight to string together combos which I mentioned two posts ago.) Actually speaking of the ranged weapons, which only some of the games you mentioned actually have, the function they serve in DMC and Bayonetta is largely to keep combos going; they're not meant to be used to cause heavy damage. Once again if you'd actually bothered to play the games you are trashing properly, you would know this.

Your point about putting the FPS characters into the different worlds is laughable. First of all, I've seen regular soldiers in the Halo games, and yeah they die but so does everyone who isn't Master Chief. And I'm pretty sure either player character from CoD or Battlefield would do just as well, given their amazing ability to heal themselves by crouching behind walls.
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I have tried to play each of the first three Halo games at least twice and every time I gave up because it felt like an utter chore. Most of the guns fired funky coloured bullets but they still amounted to little more than the grenade launchers and assault rifles I've been firing in every AAA shooter of the last decade.

Little tip for you: if you actually wanted to use an example of how a shooter broke the mould, next time maybe try name-dropping Deus Ex, Half Life, Bioshock or Fallout 3. Those are a few examples of FPS's that actually did something different with the medium; as opposed to your examples, two of which might as well be the exact same god damn game. Although given that your three examples pretty much define everything that is wrong with modern gaming, I'm given to assume you actually just have no idea about anything outside your own little comfort zone.

 

[DustyDrB]

its the fault of a multi-platform publisher not picking it up. being dead would be better then a nintendo exclusive since they cut away a fair amount of a already small fan base unless there are more people who like the game then I've seen

What? How is that better? Some of us who are fans of the first game will get to play the second game because we don't have some weird bias against Nintendo. And people like you can just pretend it doesn't exist. Seriously, map out your logic for the rest of us because it seems extremely silly.

 

[Tony2077]

its the fault of a multi-platform publisher not picking it up. being dead would be better then a nintendo exclusive since they cut away a fair amount of a already small fan base unless there are more people who like the game then I've seen

What? How is that better? Some of us who are fans of the first game will get to play the second game because we don't have some weird bias against Nintendo. And people like you can just pretend it doesn't exist. Seriously, map out your logic for the rest of us because it seems extremely silly.

do you really even care?

 

[FoolKiller]

I can understand the rage. I can't think of any franchises that went exclusive in their core line of games after having been multi-platform. It's a win for Nintendo in any case.

Metal Gear Solid did.

You need to think harder boy.

And Monster Hunter. Well, it's not been fully confirmed. But Monster Hunter 4 coming to the 3DS and that alone makes me seem like Monster Hunter's a Nintendo exclusive now.

splinter cell as well

ot: im glad its being made, but sad that i wont be able to play it

 

[Fireprufe15]

its the fault of a multi-platform publisher not picking it up. being dead would be better then a nintendo exclusive since they cut away a fair amount of a already small fan base unless there are more people who like the game then I've seen

What? How is that better? Some of us who are fans of the first game will get to play the second game because we don't have some weird bias against Nintendo. And people like you can just pretend it doesn't exist. Seriously, map out your logic for the rest of us because it seems extremely silly.

do you really even care?

If he didn't why would he post this?

 

[Tony2077]

its the fault of a multi-platform publisher not picking it up. being dead would be better then a nintendo exclusive since they cut away a fair amount of a already small fan base unless there are more people who like the game then I've seen

What? How is that better? Some of us who are fans of the first game will get to play the second game because we don't have some weird bias against Nintendo. And people like you can just pretend it doesn't exist. Seriously, map out your logic for the rest of us because it seems extremely silly.

do you really even care?

If he didn't why would he post this?

i don't know but its hard to tell waht people are thinking unless you've somehow mastered that ability

 

[omega 616]

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As far as I can remember all you and the other people said in your posts "they are different" or words to that effect.

Seriously, "all of them handle pretty much the same, there are subtle differences in the way the play", which translates to the difference is negligible but I am going to try and make a big deal of it.

Oh I played most of them till about half way through, I ran at the enemies, mashed light, light, heavy attacks and won almost every time. I say most 'cos ninja gaiden can some times be a *****. Am I getting SS or 1000 hit combos? No. Am I still upgrading all of my stuff? Yup.

... I am talking about multi player in reference to the FPS games. COD soldiers have perks, which means they would rofl stomp BF guys who have recoil and other stuff, as BF is slightly more realistic.

If I was playing BF like the majority play COD (run around like a headless chicken) I would be dead in seconds. The different games require different play styles, I can pick up any hack and slash game and use the same exact tactics, something is a little wrong.

I can go 2D fighter button mashing tactics on hack and slash games and still beat normal with ease (with the exception being ninja gaiden)

Congratulations, you don't like FPS games ... I couldn't tell /sarcasm

"Little tip for you: if you actually wanted to use an example of how a shooter broke the mold" and who said I wanted to do that? I, like I said before, never even brought up shooters or which shooters they where ... the person who quoted me did, look ....

they really are not the same. they are the same genre, and share similarities of most games in that genre, but calling them the same is pretty ignorant. it's like saying cod, halo and battlefield are all the same game, when they aren't.

 

[RustlessPotato]

Good thing i was planning on getting a WiiU anyway.

I'm on the same boat. Aside from the new Zelda game that is set to released after the WiiU's launch, I'm planning on buying it for Rayman Legends.

Why you ask?

Spoiler: Observe...

This is seriously the best trailer I've seen in a while. It's amazing ^^. Loved the old Rayman games .

O.T. It's kind of a weird move, but the company that made the game are still a company. And as a company, money is the first thing on its mind, so I suppose Nintendo was willing to offer them the most, or maybe just any money at all.

 

[Tony2077]

You know, I am completely okay with this.

I've always been a fan of Nintendo, and if I get to play the most hardcore games in the world (supposing Platinum Games continues its exclusive support of the Wii U) on the same platform that serves up the most innovative games in the world (Nintendo's own lineup), AND supposing that other third parties will also continue to support the system, The Wii U might be the only system I'll need for gaming (here's hoping BLOPS II on the Wii U will have Wiimote support, I'd love to play all my FPS games with pointer controls).

And if Bayonetta 2's Wii U exclusivity means that degenerate Nintendo-hating fuckheads like Tony2077 don't get to play it, well, that's all the better for us true gamers.

Let them stay mad.

P.S.: omega616 is a gigantic idiot. Nothing personal kid, just sayin'.

it may be hate i don't know since I'm not sure why or when it started. i just don't care enough to think about it other then to go meh not worth it then go back to my 360 or ps3 or even this pc. you know being a jerk about it won't help thing and i should know i just can't see myself changing anytime soon

 

[rob_simple]

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As far as I can remember all you and the other people said in your posts "they are different" or words to that effect.

Seriously, "all of them handle pretty much the same, there are subtle differences in the way the play", which translates to the difference is negligible but I am going to try and make a big deal of it.

Oh I played most of them till about half way through, I ran at the enemies, mashed light, light, heavy attacks and won almost every time. I say most 'cos ninja gaiden can some times be a *****. Am I getting SS or 1000 hit combos? No. Am I still upgrading all of my stuff? Yup.

... I am talking about multi player in reference to the FPS games. COD soldiers have perks, which means they would rofl stomp BF guys who have recoil and other stuff, as BF is slightly more realistic.

If I was playing BF like the majority play COD (run around like a headless chicken) I would be dead in seconds. The different games require different play styles, I can pick up any hack and slash game and use the same exact tactics, something is a little wrong.

I can go 2D fighter button mashing tactics on hack and slash games and still beat normal with ease (with the exception being ninja gaiden)

Congratulations, you don't like FPS games ... I couldn't tell /sarcasm

"Little tip for you: if you actually wanted to use an example of how a shooter broke the mold" and who said I wanted to do that? I, like I said before, never even brought up shooters or which shooters they where ... the person who quoted me did, look ....

they really are not the same. they are the same genre, and share similarities of most games in that genre, but calling them the same is pretty ignorant. it's like saying cod, halo and battlefield are all the same game, when they aren't.

I explained to you how they have different play styles, I won't do it again; re-read my replies if you want to know. You're right, though, you can beat most of those games by running in and button-mashing, just like I can do the exact same thing in CoD and Battlefield's multiplayer and still rack up a decent amount of kills. Will you have an amazing kill:death ratio? No, but you'll still do alright. So essentially the entire crux of your argument falls apart here because almost every game with maybe the exception of stuff like Guitar Hero can be beaten if you just wildly spam the action button.

That's the reason a lot of hack-and-slashers have a ranking system: because in order to do your best you need to play the game how it is supposed to be played. Sure, you don't have to aim for S-Ranks, but by choosing not to do so you aren't getting the most out of the game and that is your fault, not the games.

Likewise, in almost every modern shooter I can run in and start firing off in every direction and still have a 75% chance of clearing the area, or I can plan out my route and pick off enemies as and how I see fit; it's as much skill as it is random chance.

And, shocker, I actually do enjoy modern FPS games, including the CoD series, but I enjoy them in much the same way I do the movies of Jason Statham: they are dumb fun with absolutely no substance. Adventure games, on the other hand, have far more engaging (albeit stupid) stores & characters, as well as visually fantastic worlds to explore, whereas even in Halo 3 --despite the fact I was visiting all these fantastic alien worlds, I was still running through bunkers and forests that I'd trudged through in Modern Warfare.

But since the basis of most of what you are saying is that all hack and slashers are the same because you (and I mean you specifically, because other people who actually play the games how they are designed to be played have a vastly different experience) are just mashing attacks to kill enemies I will return with all shooters are basically the same because all you do is shoot bullets at whatever you want to be dead.

 

[DustyDrB]

its the fault of a multi-platform publisher not picking it up. being dead would be better then a nintendo exclusive since they cut away a fair amount of a already small fan base unless there are more people who like the game then I've seen

What? How is that better? Some of us who are fans of the first game will get to play the second game because we don't have some weird bias against Nintendo. And people like you can just pretend it doesn't exist. Seriously, map out your logic for the rest of us because it seems extremely silly.

do you really even care?

I'm genuinely curious, yes.

 

[Tony2077]

its the fault of a multi-platform publisher not picking it up. being dead would be better then a nintendo exclusive since they cut away a fair amount of a already small fan base unless there are more people who like the game then I've seen

What? How is that better? Some of us who are fans of the first game will get to play the second game because we don't have some weird bias against Nintendo. And people like you can just pretend it doesn't exist. Seriously, map out your logic for the rest of us because it seems extremely silly.

do you really even care?

I'm genuinely curious, yes.

well i have add and learning disabilities so i don't think I'll ever make sense of it my self. i don't care enough to make sense of it, this is the second series that gone this way but there is still a chance for the other one but they haven't given any sign that the ps3 version of it will ever come over here I'm talking about samurai warrior 3.

 

[Weaver]

Well, I'm glad they got Bayonetta 2 published at all. I loved the first one. It's my favourite stylized slasher of all time (even above DMC).

I was planning on getting a Wii U at some point, but I do have some serious concerns over how well Bayonetta 2 will control with the Wii U/Wii controller.

It's a shame Platinum didn't just decide to self-publish on Steam.

 

[AwkwardTurtle]

Is it bad that my immediate reaction to seeing the title of this thread was

OH SHIT GOTTA GRAB ME SOME POPCORN AND SEE THE SEEMINGLY JUSTIFIED RAGE!!!!!!
*sigh*
I'm a little underwhelmed with the responses that I skimmed through. People are far too rational and understanding on The Escapist.

I found this to be a hilarious surprise. It's interesting seeing Nintendo's new console house such a not at all family friendly game. It makes me curious about what other games might get released on the WiiU.

It doesn't make me want to buy it anymore though. Just slightly interested as opposed to completely uncaring.

 

[DJ_DEnM]

You'll see in a few months Nintendo will be catering to the family audience only again, and Bayonetta 2 reviews' only negative aspect would be it's on the WiiU. Nobody wins.

 

[omega 616]

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Except nothing fell apart, anywhere!

I don't care how lucky you are at shooters, there is no way you can run at the enemy (in SP or MP) holding down fire (or aim and fire) and kill more than 2 people ... even on chaos mode you wouldn't get more then 4 kills. You are using hyperbole, I am not.

I can literally run at the enemies on DMC pressing nothing but square and moving the left stick and kill every enemy. There is no way you can do this .... (it's not what you think)


Which is what you are saying you can. I am saying I can press square as fast as I can for 3 minutes and just moving towards the enemies to kill them and it's really that easy.

I am not attacking the games for being easy though, I am attacking them for just being re-skins of other games, that everything is transferable.

Like I have said multiple times, there is no significant difference between any hack and slash, there is in the shooters. You have to play shooters differently, you can play the hack and slash the same.

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Didn't play the first one and have no interest in the series so this doesn't effect me. Try harder Nintendo.

 

[RatRace123]

Considering that Sega seemed to pass on a sequel to Bayonetta it's a good thing that Nintendo decided to scoop it up; probably the only way a sequel was getting made. And if that's the case, then it's really more the fault of Sega. You can't blame Nintendo for wanting to get some exclusives for its new system.

Smart move on the big N's part, and definitely gives a stronger indication towards their focus on the hardcore crowd.

As I planned to get a WiiU, and I enjoyed the first one, looks like I'll have another good exclusive to look forward to.

And for those who lament the fact that they'll never get to play it now... why?
Is there some ancient curse put upon you that prevents you from playing Nintendo systems?