And +15 for not apologizing and caving like a wimp to misguided conservative homophobes. BBC is officially way better.Gabanuka said:
BBC Forced to Defend Gay Kiss After Complaints
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they actually did that in an earlier holby city storyline with lesbians, and like 3 people complained, god save the queen.TheYellowCellPhone said:
OT: I'm not that surprised, everyone here is a bunch of xenophobic homophobes, I say good job BBC for trying to show diversity, although i don't know what other reaction to expect from a country that has produced two Jersey Shore rip-offs..
god, i hate this country..
I think this comment is made of win. Props to you sir.Bribase said:
Yeah, homophobia/idiots/immature/close-mindedness and all that good stuff. Ain't nothing wrong with being gay and it's not a corruption of the children. So long as no one gets hurt, there's no problem.
About the only show i watch on BBC is Doctor Who, but I figured since they had so many people who were gay and accepted for it, that that sort of thing was more accepted in Britian. Like Cap'n Jack and those two old ladies.
Thing is .. most people are gay tolerant, not really pro-gay like gay people themselves. That being said, it is akin to society standards to brand it inappropriate. Personally, I don't care what you do in your bedroom, just don't let me see it, please! Every gay kiss actually sets you guys back a few years if you know what I mean. Just chill and in decades maybe society will change.
But really, for most guys for example, there is a double standard that most guys find a couple of girls going at it enthralling. However, take these same girls and add about 300 pounds to them and it might change the picture. This could be applied to the gay kiss, we would just rather not see it, keep it private. Hand holding is about as far as we will tolerate currently in society, with an occassion skip or two. But please don't force this stuff on us, its revolting to the people that are not gay. And if you want to decrease persecution, do not do it. Sure, some may thing that they are fighting a civil battle by doing such things, but it only inflames (no pun intended) the masses, and does much more harm to your group than any good. The ONLY people that will like it is gay people, and I think straights might outnumber you or otherwise the population would be a bit lower (don't get me started on gay adopting to counter this).
But really, for most guys for example, there is a double standard that most guys find a couple of girls going at it enthralling. However, take these same girls and add about 300 pounds to them and it might change the picture. This could be applied to the gay kiss, we would just rather not see it, keep it private. Hand holding is about as far as we will tolerate currently in society, with an occassion skip or two. But please don't force this stuff on us, its revolting to the people that are not gay. And if you want to decrease persecution, do not do it. Sure, some may thing that they are fighting a civil battle by doing such things, but it only inflames (no pun intended) the masses, and does much more harm to your group than any good. The ONLY people that will like it is gay people, and I think straights might outnumber you or otherwise the population would be a bit lower (don't get me started on gay adopting to counter this).
dammit dude you just made me lose 40 faith in humanity are you trying to turn me into an anti-humanity psychopathTimeLord said:
I saw the gay scene in eastenders, but I mustn't have been paying full attention, since I didn't see the part wrong with it. Or maybe I was paying full attention, i just wasn't wearing my asshole-goggles.
They do, and they are VERY impressionable! Especially to mimic what they see on TV. Sure, in theory, let's say some brothers were watching this (lets say 4 and 6 years of age). They see this, and then kiss each other on the mouth. Their mom might find it "sweet", but in reality it is a bit creepy. Even a brother kissing his sister is a bit weird, although not quite as akward. But if kids see something, particularly on TV or now the Internet, they will believe it is socially acceptable, and it currently is not publicly alright, just on paper.Charli said:
Thus some kid see this and gets these ideas in his brain that this is what he wants to do, and then comes up with a born this way theory, when it was just bad parent supervision. Look, I am not trying to say being gay is right or wrong, but I am fairly sure straight people want their kids to grou up straight, and gay people want their kids to grow up gay. Some are tolerant of the other, or claim to be at least, but in the end, kids see something they do it. (side note - sure i guess some straight people might WANT their kids to grow up gay or visa versa, like that article a while back about the couple that had a SHE/HE baby and didn't define its role yet. But I am sure the kid will grow up gender confused if you do something like this.
Let's take the Beavis and Butthead problem in the 90's. Some kid watched the show and burned his house down, after reportedly idolizing Beavis and his fire-fetish. I don't have all the details handy as it has been many years, but this is the net, I am sure someone will have a link somewhere. But my point is that, had the kid not watched the show, would have still burned the house down? Who knows, but he got the idea to do it that time from the show, so basically if you put something in front of a kid they will soak it up like a sponge. Ever notice how kids have the SAME ideals and beliefs as their parents, even though the kids have NO idea about the world and how it really operates. They take their parents view as their own, like little brainwashed kids at a political protest wearing signs on their shirt they can't even read.
But yeah I am sure some are going to disagree with what I said, and that is fine, I respect your right to disagree. But I am just letting those offended by the offended people know that THIS is why they are upset likely. So, respect their belief to not want to have gay kids.
*Flame shield (thats ironic lol)** - Look I have gay friends, and friends of various races. I don't judge people, but I don't like to see details sometimes. I am sure if I told a gay person about how I romped my GF last night they would be repulsed too. So just keep it in your pants in public so to speak, and to yourself, please!
There is no picture of Patrick Stewart facepalming that could accurately convey my feelings right now.TimeLord said:
Didn't we in Britain all get past this circa 1990? This is the sort of thing I'd still expect (but be no less disheartened by) from places that are yet to embrace gay rights as much as we have but... urgh! I know some people are never going to agree with gay culture being considered on an equal footing as straight culture and to be honest them simply thinking that doesn't bother me. But these people need to learn that making a fuss about such things in 2011 is just not cool.
and I'm sorry, "confuse children"?! You know what a child might find REALLY confusing? Growing up surrounded by media that is only allowed to tell them that straight relationships exist, and then growing up to discover that they can only find other men attractive. I'm sure that'd be a much bigger mind fuck.
Wow I like this commercial you linked! It could be used as a way to explain how nuclear arsenals "protect" the world. After the first shot is fired, everyone dies.dogstile said:
Ah, that would explain why walk around everywhere with a whip and a fedora - I saw Indiana Jones as a kid.GamerPhate said:
You raise a good point, no body ever complained about Doctor Who, and that IS more kid orientated, they had a lesbian couple in the season finale just recently, there's been plenty of gay moments throughout Nu Who since it started and Torchwood has one of it's major themes in sexuality (granted Torchwood is supposed to be aimed at alduts). Holby city isn't a kids show, and I can't imagine why they would watch it, (heck I don't even watch it, I can't STAND soaps) and if they are watching it, I imagine they're mature enough to handle a snog between two men. If they're gay, it'll help them with it, and if they're not, they're not, seeing two men snog isn't going to sway their sexuality and if it does, it means they would've gotten to that later in life anyway.Daaaah Whoosh said:
Saying that though, the gay elements in Torchwood was pushed far too much, it pretty much defined Yanto's character most of the time, not that I'm offended by such things, just I felt instead of making it a element of his character, it just WAS his character, which does less good for Gay exposure than it was likely intended to.
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On the other hand, I remember the scene where Yanto dies being quite good and successfully managed to tug on my heart strings a bit, which is significantly more difficult write when it comes to two men.
Was there any public outcry when they showed that in the BBC?TimeLord said:
I can't remember, I watch it a few months after release in my Television set.
The only thing that will 'confuse' children about this is the reaction of their homophobic elders. The fact the BBC had to release a statement explaining it's position is outrageous, it should have gone "It's the 21st century. Those who complained need to update their views on sexuality beyond the 1950s mindset they currently exhibit."
Yes, and every kid grows up to be an astronaut, fireman, and president. That is called playing and pretending, kissing a dude on the mouth goes WELL beyond playing.Kahunaburger said:
It could confuse children, so could math, English, and just about every subject in school. Dumb excuse is dumb.
I try and think of a time when Charlie Brooker hasn't made perfect sense. I love the guy. I also don't see why the BBC feel the need to have to defend themselves. Gay people exist. Get over it. They are not something to be villified, they have rights and feelings like everyone else. Anyway, it is not the first time that gay kissing and sexual acts have been depicted on TV. People seem to forget As queer as folk.Ninjamedic said:
Wait... so you're worried about kids going around kissing other kids on the mouth because they saw it on TV? IMO, no parent should allow their kids to kiss any kid on the mouth - they're too young for that, and it spreads germs. The gender of the other kid in question doesn't really have any bearing.GamerPhate said:
If you think it will cause kids to grow up to be gay, ask yourself a question: am I a fedora-wearing, womanizing, whip-wielding archaeologist? If not, stop worrying.