BILL S.978 TO SEND LET'S PLAYERS AND KARAOKE SINGERS TO PRISON
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Errrrr, what?Reyalsfeihc said:
OT: If those tossers over at TGWTG can get away with posting videos, then we should be able to post LPs
But hey, if this bill takes out TGWTG, then perhaps it's worth it.
The guys at Tipping Forties [http://www.tippingforties.com/] did a really good FFX LP. I have not watched their others though, because they did not interest mesonic500 said:
Also, try here [http://lparchive.org/]
Considering the public performance of games without permission is already illegal in the UK and its not stopping people from doing let's plays or guides.
I am also willing to bet it's the same in the US even without this new law. Get a few of your games and look at the text on the edge. It should say something like non rental, resale, ect. Somewhere on there it should say not for public performances. Check a few games from diffrent people because it is not on all games.
I am also willing to bet it's the same in the US even without this new law. Get a few of your games and look at the text on the edge. It should say something like non rental, resale, ect. Somewhere on there it should say not for public performances. Check a few games from diffrent people because it is not on all games.
I wonder if this bill goes as far to cover copy-written character avatars or pics of any kind. Is it just limited to video and music?Ian Caronia said:
Granted, even if it was, it still sucks all together. This bill reminds me of when a certain group wanted to charge summer camps for children singing copywritten songs around the campfire.
Y'know, its funny that I see a trend of "first amendment" toting liberals also being the ones who are introducing bills like this (and the ban violent video game sales bill) yet conservatives get the blame...
How many friggin threads are we going to have about the bastardized version of this law that stupid website is flinging around?
It's an alarmist version of the shit that conveniently leaves out the fact that you have to be doing it for profit, and be caught multiple times before its considered a felony.
I know it's a hard lesson, and it upsets many to think so but the goverment is not really so corrupt yet that they would pass a law that would turn people's way of life upside down for the sake of their corporate overlords (at least not intentionally) and even if they did I doubt it would be enforceable (after all cops are people to), and even if they did its not likely it would last long in the face of a judge. Constitution and all that jazz.
It's an alarmist version of the shit that conveniently leaves out the fact that you have to be doing it for profit, and be caught multiple times before its considered a felony.
I know it's a hard lesson, and it upsets many to think so but the goverment is not really so corrupt yet that they would pass a law that would turn people's way of life upside down for the sake of their corporate overlords (at least not intentionally) and even if they did I doubt it would be enforceable (after all cops are people to), and even if they did its not likely it would last long in the face of a judge. Constitution and all that jazz.
I cannon express in words the hate I feel towards bills like this.
But to put it simple:
People with lots of money (company CEO's, lobbyists and others), will always want more money, and they think that, by censoring the LP's, they will make people buy their games to experiance them.
If the bill is passed and LP's and game footage become illegal, people will find other sites against these laws to display them and they will continuing doing so.
Uploading a game or footage of one is, in my view, IN MY VIEW, sharing, not stealing, and people that are decent that downloaded the game would eventually pay for the legitimate version of the game in a store or something, that way they don't "lose a sale", as they put it. Regarding this, they don't lose a copy of the game since the uploader bought it and shared it with other people online.
The companies that want the bill passed apparently don't know that the videos of the games actually help them in promoting their products. Censoring these videos will only make it worse for the companies. People wouldn't buy their games since they didn't really know what they were going to buy or what the consumers that did buy thought of them.
And finally, as some dude which I don't remember the name so elequently put it:
"If something legal, that people enjoyed, was made illegal, it would only make people want it more, and therefore break the law to achieve it."
I rest my case.
But to put it simple:
People with lots of money (company CEO's, lobbyists and others), will always want more money, and they think that, by censoring the LP's, they will make people buy their games to experiance them.
If the bill is passed and LP's and game footage become illegal, people will find other sites against these laws to display them and they will continuing doing so.
Uploading a game or footage of one is, in my view, IN MY VIEW, sharing, not stealing, and people that are decent that downloaded the game would eventually pay for the legitimate version of the game in a store or something, that way they don't "lose a sale", as they put it. Regarding this, they don't lose a copy of the game since the uploader bought it and shared it with other people online.
The companies that want the bill passed apparently don't know that the videos of the games actually help them in promoting their products. Censoring these videos will only make it worse for the companies. People wouldn't buy their games since they didn't really know what they were going to buy or what the consumers that did buy thought of them.
And finally, as some dude which I don't remember the name so elequently put it:
"If something legal, that people enjoyed, was made illegal, it would only make people want it more, and therefore break the law to achieve it."
I rest my case.
It's a shame that this attack on the bill isn't more global. Yes, it's a concern for all of us. I disagree with those that say it's not the congressman's (or whoever created the bill) fault, I don't think ignorance is a valid excuse for impacting a shite tone of people in a negative way, or causing panic.
First of all man power is impossible.
Second they would be shutting down all, I mean, ALL gaming businesses. This means reviewers, Machinima, and Roosterteeth.
Thirdly, there is no way they could pass this. Prison for just posting something on the internet?
Second they would be shutting down all, I mean, ALL gaming businesses. This means reviewers, Machinima, and Roosterteeth.
Thirdly, there is no way they could pass this. Prison for just posting something on the internet?
It doesn't sound like something that would work, but either way it's something that should be taken seriously. I like watching videos of people playing games, especially "Two Best Friends Play" which is hilarious. But also, I need those videos sometimes because they show me how to do a combo, get an achievement or find a hidden item that I might not have found on my own. Plus, it's the only way I can really "try" a game out by getting a good look at the first level or two before judging whether or not I should buy it.
Anyway, this sounds completely ridiculous and sadly there's nothing I can do about it because I don't live in the U.S..
Also, for anyone who hasn't seen them:
Anyway, this sounds completely ridiculous and sadly there's nothing I can do about it because I don't live in the U.S..
Also, for anyone who hasn't seen them:
Yeah the GOV doesn't realize that riots will breakout all over the US if this passes. Millions of people fall under the veil that they're felons just because they uploaded some old song they liked, gameplay from their favorite game, or did a review or parody for some movies. All of them are innocent acts that they thought was their right to do because of many sites like YT, JustinTV, and many forums. Just because a wealthy few dislike losing out, they deside they should just fuck over everybody else...Nexus4 said:
For the best information on this bill, I would actually suggest checking out the articles written by UltraDavid (an actual lawyer who specializes in this sort of copyright issue as it relates to games) for shoryuken.com.
http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/29/trolling-the-stream-by-ultradavid/
http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/30/tolling-the-stream-follow-up-ultradavid-responds/
There seem to be a few misconceptions in this thread.
First, there seems to be belief that this bill somehow targets games. This is not the case. Due to the way the bill is written, game streaming would simply be collateral damage in a bill meant to target, essentially, unauthorized streaming of television, movies and music. It's about "public performance" of copyright material not of videogames.
Second, law enforcement or the game companies themselves wouldn't even have to be involved in the prosecution process. Due to the nature of the supposed crime as laid out by the bill, a game company not actively giving their permission for a stream could be enough to allow for prosecution. They won't have to go hunting anyone down or sending the local police to investigate.
Third, even if the likelihood of prosecution is low, this could have a major chilling effect on all sorts of game streaming seeing as how it would essentially make the activity a crime. Youtube might refuse to carry videos of games (and movie/TV/etc.) to avoid any sort of liability. Any companies that sponsor streams or streamed game tournaments will likely stop sponsoring these events (or the streaming side of them) because they don't want to be seen as supporting a criminal endeavour. Once again, just like with the recent violent game ruling, it's not just the chance of prosecution that would cause companies to back out, it's the simple risk of the fact that they could be prosecuted or otherwise criminally involved.
Finally, it doesn't matter if you're not in the US. (Sorry, but this train of thought just bugs me as it's as arrogant as the proposed law is) Sure it may not affect things in your country exactly, but how many streams and sites that you regularly use are based in the US? For example, you're on The Escapist right now. This site could be impacted by this bill, could it not? Youtube is also US based. I would imagine many of us visit Youtube regularly. This sort of isolationist belief system runs both ways.
http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/29/trolling-the-stream-by-ultradavid/
http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/30/tolling-the-stream-follow-up-ultradavid-responds/
There seem to be a few misconceptions in this thread.
First, there seems to be belief that this bill somehow targets games. This is not the case. Due to the way the bill is written, game streaming would simply be collateral damage in a bill meant to target, essentially, unauthorized streaming of television, movies and music. It's about "public performance" of copyright material not of videogames.
Second, law enforcement or the game companies themselves wouldn't even have to be involved in the prosecution process. Due to the nature of the supposed crime as laid out by the bill, a game company not actively giving their permission for a stream could be enough to allow for prosecution. They won't have to go hunting anyone down or sending the local police to investigate.
Third, even if the likelihood of prosecution is low, this could have a major chilling effect on all sorts of game streaming seeing as how it would essentially make the activity a crime. Youtube might refuse to carry videos of games (and movie/TV/etc.) to avoid any sort of liability. Any companies that sponsor streams or streamed game tournaments will likely stop sponsoring these events (or the streaming side of them) because they don't want to be seen as supporting a criminal endeavour. Once again, just like with the recent violent game ruling, it's not just the chance of prosecution that would cause companies to back out, it's the simple risk of the fact that they could be prosecuted or otherwise criminally involved.
Finally, it doesn't matter if you're not in the US. (Sorry, but this train of thought just bugs me as it's as arrogant as the proposed law is) Sure it may not affect things in your country exactly, but how many streams and sites that you regularly use are based in the US? For example, you're on The Escapist right now. This site could be impacted by this bill, could it not? Youtube is also US based. I would imagine many of us visit Youtube regularly. This sort of isolationist belief system runs both ways.