Bioware + Bethesda: Best Game Ever?
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Well to start I really adore New Vegas, I think Obsidian deserves more attention for the amount of effort they made. I was just not as captured into New Vegas. I think it is because New Vegas was a bit happier and easier to get into. In F3, I actually felt screwed, like I was in the Capital Wasteland. Everything was out to get you. In NV, you have more allies and the pacing allows you to build up to the harder foes when you are a bit more ready. There was none of that in F3, which really made everything much more tense and satisfying. The world felt like a wasteland, like a nuke had been dropped. I know this was deliberate, but in NV, it's just a desert. I never felt quite as absorbed into the world as I was in F3. I think F3 is more of a fight to survive game where you could die any minute by making a mistake. NV is more relaxed, so it didn't have the same effect on me. Also, NV's map is not as good as it could have been. A whole third is not really being used at all. And the actual New Vegas is very tiny. I guess walking through a desolate DC had more of a effect on me and felt more epic and intense. Love both though.Monicro said:
Wow, that was a rant, I apologise
One company with shitty gameplay and great story lines and one company with fairly good story lines and shitty gameplay? well.. I'd prefer that to not happen.
However, one of those companies combined with Atlus! HECK YES
However, one of those companies combined with Atlus! HECK YES
You just can't have a game with a great story and be able to completely choose who you are, it's nearly impossible.
I say get Valve + BioWare + Bethesda + People Can Fly + Croteam + ID Software + Naughty Dog + Sucker Punch + Avalanche Studios + Gearbox + Rockstar + Square Enix (in the Chrono Trigger era) all together and then we MAY have the best game ever made.
With just BioWare and Bethesda? We'll probably just get a really good RPG
With just BioWare and Bethesda? We'll probably just get a really good RPG
Awesome game idea... too bad it'll never happen. Hell, even if the studios at some point DID go together to make a game like this it'd take them more time than all the half-lifes dev time put together. If it's supposed to be up to par with AAA quality regarding graphics and spoken dialouge.
But hey, I'd get it.
But hey, I'd get it.
You should have bought out Interplay or the Fallout rights...ChupathingyX said:
to bad....They had the cash they paid for it...they own it...
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No. Sorry....I enjoy how Bethesda makes their games...
Bioware used to do a good job...now they are merely a gear in EA's money printing press
Bethesda would just turn BioWare's great game into a gigantic boring empty landscape that takes 45 minutes to traverse anywhere.
I understand some people like exploration, but my god Bethesda makes some boring empty game worlds.
I understand some people like exploration, but my god Bethesda makes some boring empty game worlds.
I'm not much a fan of Bioware or Fallout.
I'd rather see Bethesda team up with Tale Worlds, be given the rights to the Fantasy Warhammer universe, and make an open-world RPG/strategy game. That was what they should have done in the first place instead of making Warhammer Online. I'd totally roll a human, become a warrior of Chaos, and lead an army against the Empire.
I'd rather see Bethesda team up with Tale Worlds, be given the rights to the Fantasy Warhammer universe, and make an open-world RPG/strategy game. That was what they should have done in the first place instead of making Warhammer Online. I'd totally roll a human, become a warrior of Chaos, and lead an army against the Empire.
We obviously have trolls who hate both of them here, but it would be a very interesting game.
Let Bioware work on the writing, character design, face-mapping and lore. I'm still amazed how Grunt looks in ME2. The lore is already made from previous games, but it won't hurt to add and improve. Make sure that the NPCs have plenty of dialogue, and if need be, romance options. The writing will improve if they are allowed freedom. Take it to another timeline. Make sure it's hilarious.
Bethesda will work on the "world". Level design is their money maker. Design awesome looking creatures. Make huge cities and buildings. Have them work on level-up progression as well. By the end of most of their games, you're basically a walking A-bomb. Makes you feel like a badass. It would make a great post-game if you finished every quest.
This last bit will be their test: multi-player. Level scaling will be the downside to this feature. Have equipment/items be unique to your games. Be able to trade inventory, have a tag-team in arenas if possible, make multi-player specific objectives, and add a "bonus" surprise. I don't know what, but I'm sure Bethesda and Bioware can come up with one. They should definitely take a lesson from Borderlands in terms of open world multi-player.
Well, that's my two cents for the ultimate "Beth-oware" game. The universe or God might one day decide if the two developers should unite, and if they would, they will shock and awe.
Let Bioware work on the writing, character design, face-mapping and lore. I'm still amazed how Grunt looks in ME2. The lore is already made from previous games, but it won't hurt to add and improve. Make sure that the NPCs have plenty of dialogue, and if need be, romance options. The writing will improve if they are allowed freedom. Take it to another timeline. Make sure it's hilarious.
Bethesda will work on the "world". Level design is their money maker. Design awesome looking creatures. Make huge cities and buildings. Have them work on level-up progression as well. By the end of most of their games, you're basically a walking A-bomb. Makes you feel like a badass. It would make a great post-game if you finished every quest.
This last bit will be their test: multi-player. Level scaling will be the downside to this feature. Have equipment/items be unique to your games. Be able to trade inventory, have a tag-team in arenas if possible, make multi-player specific objectives, and add a "bonus" surprise. I don't know what, but I'm sure Bethesda and Bioware can come up with one. They should definitely take a lesson from Borderlands in terms of open world multi-player.
Well, that's my two cents for the ultimate "Beth-oware" game. The universe or God might one day decide if the two developers should unite, and if they would, they will shock and awe.
Wouldn't happen. As EA would be all up in there if they even tried. Also I don't think blank faced people plus blank faced people is a good combination. Because you'll end up with the faceless ones. They would need Rockstar to lend the team behind L.A. Noire for emotion.
Oh wait just realised I've been ninja'd.
Oh wait just realised I've been ninja'd.
Yes, New Vegas was buggy, but you can't put all blame on Obsidian.42 said:
They were using Bethesda's engine, an engine that is buggy and out-dated.
Plus Obsidian were given a very small period to actually work on the game, almost less than half of Fallout 3's development time.
Plus Betehsda did the QA testing, not Obsidian.
New Vegas also had a smaller budget than Fallout 3.
However, although New Vegas was buggy, it didn't have Fallout 3'a inconsistency, lack of knowledge of the Fallout world, bland characters, bad writing, dull RPG elements and it even improved on the gameplay in more ways than most people refuse to believe.
TS isn't seeing what is right in front of him.
Bethesda/Obsidian.
Obsidian write better dialogues and invent better plots than Bioware.
All they need is better animators and more voice actors and those are easy enough to hire. They can save money by skipping on expensive celebrities to do half-hearted VOs.
Bug squashing is a matter of time and effort. They could prolly do it if they went for quality.
Don't Bethesda have ID in their pocket anyway? Bethesda/Obs/ID.
ID can do the coding and the shooter gameplay.
Bethesda/Obsidian.
Obsidian write better dialogues and invent better plots than Bioware.
All they need is better animators and more voice actors and those are easy enough to hire. They can save money by skipping on expensive celebrities to do half-hearted VOs.
Bug squashing is a matter of time and effort. They could prolly do it if they went for quality.
Don't Bethesda have ID in their pocket anyway? Bethesda/Obs/ID.
ID can do the coding and the shooter gameplay.
