Bioware: FF13 is not an RPG
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Just like every game in the world save Tetris and the like.Guntrix said:
I expect you to call Halo an RPG from now on.
Although I do suppose that this might have been said (cannot be asked to read through 15 pages)FF, I would say a RPG lite up to 9 because you were allowed to rename characters which I did enjoy however the constricted storyline didn't feel too much of an RPG
A text book defntion maybe based on the "gaining experience points" however this seems more like a game engine other than what the game really is, in a RPG i'm expecting me (I,Ego,thyself) to be the main protagonist and no-one else otherwise this would contradict the meaning of "role-playing"
A text book defntion maybe based on the "gaining experience points" however this seems more like a game engine other than what the game really is, in a RPG i'm expecting me (I,Ego,thyself) to be the main protagonist and no-one else otherwise this would contradict the meaning of "role-playing"
Oh, well that teaches me about opening my mouth before reviewing the facts. But still, the two comments came from representatives of Bioware and neither one of them should've said something so blatantly prejudice. It's prejudice not in race, but in genre. The worst kind of writer is one who badmouths an entire genre, especially if it's a genre he's only doing so to get publicity, like some kind of childish popstar.GestaltEsper said:
True, there are plenty of examples of "non-linear" storytelling, but you know what? Those are still rare occasions (also Sin City wasn't in random order, since each story was a separate story that interconnected only slightly due to the setting, the main focus of the piece as a whole. Pulp Fiction was similar, only it's interconnecting stories were split up to show the resolution of certain other interconnecting stories).Doug said:
*The general idea of storytelling is to get the plot across without confusing the reader/audience. Very rarely will you see a "non-linear" novel or film because its a quick way to alienate your audience and have them lose all interest in the story. The same goes for videogames. Just because it's "a sandbox game" doesn't mean its "non-linear".*
Point in case: List of "Non-Linear" Games
Brutal Legend (shit)
GTA4 (jury's out)
Infamous (subjective to taste (like the others aren't?))
MASS EFFECT 2
DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS
You get the picture? Just because you get to choose what scene comes next doesn't mean the plot isn't "linear". No matter what the plot will occur and you will have NO CHOICE but to heed the call, otherwise why would you play the fucking game in the first place? You choose to pick up Tali or Thane NEXT, but no matter what the Reaper IFF mission WILL happen. The plot WILL advance in CHRONOLOGICAL order. If anybody thinks any game on the market is truly non-linear (as most marketing fuckwits like to use the term), then they need to realize that no plot in any videogame is non-linear.
As for gameplay, that's another story. Still, like I said, whether you played FFXIII or ME2, whether you were running along the narrow pathways of ANY dungeon in XIII or down that narrow path in ANY mission of ME2, it's still the same shit. This is coming from a guy who played ME2 three times.
Oh, and yes, this whole arguement is ultimately stupid because every game is a role playing game. You don't technically play as yourself, thus you play as another person, THUS a ROLE PLAYING game. I am well aware of that. I just mean to argue for "JRPGs" as the term is coined. You know, for Japanese RPGs.
You rarely see 'non-linear' books because, well, THEIR BOOKS! You can't interact with them beyond reading them; and given the writer isn't intending you to read it at random, its not designed to work that way.Ian Caronia said:
Games are not a passive medium like books and films, they are interactive and active an active form; you wouldn't expect a book to pace itself like a movie, nor a movie to pace itself like a book. You would expect both forms to play to their strengths in good pieces of that medium. Gaming's big strength is its interactive and reactive nature that can't be reproduced in the same manner.
I'm sorry, but I can list every JRPG and say 'the jury is out' or 'its shit' to everyone of them, because there are as many, if not more, people who despite the JRPG format. And as for Brutal Legend, its was because they cocked up the 'boss battles' by combining them with RTS's.Ian Caronia said:
Also, you missed off Deus Ex, and Deus Ex 2 (Well, sort of).
What kind of a statement is that?
It seems quite smug to assume that no one lives (i.e. identify with) FF XIII characters.
A game without choices is called a movie, you make choices in every game: Rifle or shotgun? Stealth or guns blazin'? Red tie or black tie?
I also fail to see why a game becomes an RPG when you can create a character.
Was FF VII an RPG? Yes.
So why is this thread 15 pages long?
I hope no one believes this crap, it's like saying the PS2 was shite because Bobby Kotick said it is.
It seems quite smug to assume that no one lives (i.e. identify with) FF XIII characters.
A game without choices is called a movie, you make choices in every game: Rifle or shotgun? Stealth or guns blazin'? Red tie or black tie?
I also fail to see why a game becomes an RPG when you can create a character.
Was FF VII an RPG? Yes.
So why is this thread 15 pages long?
I hope no one believes this crap, it's like saying the PS2 was shite because Bobby Kotick said it is.
Mass Effect only just passes as an RPG, whereas I'm sorry but Mass effect II (apart from being an absolute piece of shit) was also not an rpg. Mass Effect II was a third person shooter, plain and simple.unholyavenger13 said:
might you alaborateDaedalus1942 said:
fallout three is a game where you shoot ...in first person so is it a first person shooter
what makes it a an rpg and mass effect just a third person shooter
or is it not an rpg either
is the world flipped all of a sudden
did anyone on this thread say that non rpgs were shiteSubzerowings said:
if so their wrong
the diference is simple
in rpgs you feel like you ARE the character
in non rpgs you are simply controlling the character
niether one is worse than the other
you dont have to create a character to feel like you are them
in an fps you can feel like you are the main character and in that regard some FPSs have rpg elements
P.S. calm down
Basically it's true, Final Fantasy is not an RPG game. The first one was I suppose, since you could choose and name characters and they didn't have any established personality- but after that the player characters just became controllable characters. So I'd call them Fantasy-Action games, really.
Or strategy, depending on your view of Turn Based combat.
Or strategy, depending on your view of Turn Based combat.
You sir, have earned a golden +1Zero47 said:
OT: I mostly agree, but still, it goes back to the fact that the term "RPG" has never been clearly defined, and as such has evolved into many different games. It's almost not really a genre, but more of a conglomeration of genres.
Woah, I think I might be onto something there.
Oi. The difference between a JRPG and a western RPG is the extent to which the character is divorced from the player. But in neither case do you truly "control" anything, nor making meaningful contributions to the storyline. You can alter things around the periphery of Mass Effect, but that's short shrift indeed.ZombieGenesis said:
In both cases, you're taking a character through a series of predetermined and pre-arranged scenes. The only noticeable difference in a WRPG is that you get to choose which scripted events you see on any walkthrough.
But, at what cost? Simply put, depth of character, and character development. In order to make the MC an avatar rather than an individual, you must sacrifice any sense of independence from the player. Shepherd can have no motivation unto himself, no feelings, no beliefs, no quirks, no propensities or weaknesses. Thus, if we wish to have depth, we are forced to create such stories ourselves. We either have to make up complex characterizations for him, and invent development, growth, and a character arc, or we simply accept he is a marionette.
As always, we should do away with the titles "JRPG" and "WRPG". Call the former "story RPGs" and the latter "avatar RPGs". Simplicity