I did actually. I really really thought that if I plunge at least 40 hours into the SP plus the required time in MP, do all sidequests starting from ME, and make all the seemingly right choices, Shep'd come out a true winner. Not completely unscathed, there would be heartwrenching losses, but he'd get some kind of decent sendoff, that didn't net him dead or depressed enough to eat a warp round. As was pretty much promised by the devs. Was I really that wrong in my assumptions? Perhaps reading too much into what BioWare droned on about for the past 4 years? The general concensus of the BSN says I'm not.
I don't remember Bioware saying anywhere that Shep wouldn't die even if you did everything "right".
Shep dies saving the entire galaxy from continuous enslavement and while doing that not only destroys the Enslavers (The Reapers), but also the chains they used to enslave us (the Mass Relay network).
Both needed to be destroyed if the races were to ever be free, as how can one be free if they are still bound by the chains used to enslave them.
Civilization was doomed and irreparable the second they started using the Mass Relay network and built their technology based off of it.
Yes because the "Your character disappears never to be heard from again, and almost every choice you could have made being negated by arbitrary and poorly thought out explanations in the sequels" thing isn't a terrible cop-out?
Those people are basically the only redeeming part of BSN beyond its trollability because they actually engage in thoughtful discussion and critical thinking. There's actually some pretty good discussion of what makes RPGs work or not work on there from people like Silvius the Mad.
how anyone can claim to be a Mass Effect fan, and knowingly read spoilers to a game that isn't even out yet, is just beyond me. the BEST part of these games is the storytelling, and regardless of where this particular story goes, ruining it for yourself (and others) is just dumb.
i will now enter media blackout mode, and keep my faith in Bioware. If they have decided the ending has to be a sad one, cool beans, they haven't disappointed me so far.
Those people are basically the only redeeming part of BSN beyond its trollability because they actually engage in thoughtful discussion and critical thinking. There's actually some pretty good discussion of what makes RPGs work or not work on there from people like Silvius the Mad.
Just about all those people do is sit in pits of nostalgia complaining about how things aren't they way they were in a time that never actually existed.
they are some of the least productive people on forums in general because they keep trying to hold games up to nonexistent versions of games of old, and treat anything that exists below that as utter garbage.
Those people are basically the only redeeming part of BSN beyond its trollability because they actually engage in thoughtful discussion and critical thinking. There's actually some pretty good discussion of what makes RPGs work or not work on there from people like Silvius the Mad.
Just about all those people do is sit there in pits of nostalgia complaining about how things aren't they way they were in a time that never actually existed.
they are some of the least productive people on forums in general because they keep trying to hold games up to nonexistent versions of games of old, and treat anything that exists below that as utter garbage.
Yeah, I.E. they engage in intelligent discussions about game design (you know, like we do here on the Escapist). The rest of the BSN just cancels pre-orders, jokes about cancelling pre-orders, and posts the same terrible fanart over and over and over.
If complaining that it isn't 1999 again, where every RPG is based on dice-roll mechanics, and has terrible UI that consist of redundant menus inside of menus, which is apparently what depth is to them, = intelligent discussion then I guess.
But I guess I can understand how some people could take discussions so blinded by nostalgia that they never progress can be taken as useful.
If complaining that it isn't 1999 again, where every RPG is based on dice-roll mechanics, and has terrible UI that consist of redundant menus inside of menus, which is apparently what depth is to them, = intelligent discussion then I guess.
But I guess I can understand how some people could take discussions so blinded by nostalgia that they never progress can be taken as useful.
Yeah, modern RPGs like Witcher 2 and Skyrim are famous for awesome UI.
...and the point that I generally see in those threads is less "I wish things were the way they were before" and more "old RPGs like W and X worked for Y and Z reasons. Here's a wall of text about how those reasons could be implemented into RPGs with Bioware production values." That, in my opinion, is infinitely better than 500+ page space waifu threads.
I never said modern games UI were remotely good or implied it.
And the point I see in these threads usually consists of
"I WANT RPGS TO FIT INTO MY NARROW MINDED AND ANTIQUATED DEFINITION BASED OFF OF GAMES FROM AGES PAST THAT I LET MYSELF BELIEVE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THEN THEY EVER ACTUALLY WERE AND EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME DOESN'T LIKE TRUE RPGS WAAAAAAA"
I don't find that to be remotely helpful.
Those people don't want anything new, they don't want anything innovative, they want Baldur's Gate 3 to be exactly like BG2 was in every way, and anything less is unacceptable.
How does the ending details being 'data mined' and revealed become in any way, BioWare's fault?
Seriously people, I know your little black geek hearts are broken and hateful towards the company, but learn when to call it quits.
It's like Bioware banged your mums and made you watch. Just join the adult world, even if you thought you did years ago. All this fury and rage isn't what balanced and mature people do. There is no controversy.
1) DLC comes under a different budget and contract and wouldn't exist otherwise, thus has not been 'paygated' away from you.
2) Who gives a f**k about Dragon Age II or if one of the writers doesn't enjoy playing games as much as you do? This is Mass Effect, and who cares that they changed the official face of FemShep? You all voted for her face and her damn hair colour!
Now, who cares that the ending has been leaked. This has happened time and time again in all genres of entertainment. Not EVERYTHING you find online needs to CONSUMED. Don't read the spoilers. It's easy.
How does the ending details being 'data mined' and revealed become in any way, BioWare's fault?
Seriously people, I know your little black geek hearts are broken and hateful towards the company, but learn when to call it quits.
It's like Bioware banged your mums and made you watch. Just join the adult world, even if you thought you did years ago. All this fury and rage isn't what balanced and mature people do. There is no controversy.
1) DLC comes under a different budget and contract and wouldn't exist otherwise, thus has not been 'paygated' away from you.
2) Who gives a f**k about Dragon Age II or if one of the writers doesn't enjoy playing games as much as you do? This is Mass Effect, and who cares that they changed the official face of FemShep? You all voted for her face and her damn hair colour!
Now, who cares that the ending has been leaked. This has happened time and time again in all genres of entertainment. Not EVERYTHING you find online needs to CONSUMED. Don't read the spoilers. It's easy.
i think the problem is that the 'endings' are displeasing to a big bunch of fans because of the nature of them, especially when you think through the consequences* not that the ending were posted. The rage just hit a week or so early.
*Got to admit not terribly impressed with what I learned so far...seems like we just copied what the protheans...doom ourselves to save a future we have nothing to do with...especially once the fridge logic/horror starts kicking in.
And the point I see in these threads usually consists of
"I WANT RPGS TO FIT INTO MY NARROW MINDED AND ANTIQUATED DEFINITION BASED OFF OF GAMES FROM AGES PAST THAT I LET MYSELF BELIEVE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THEN THEY EVER ACTUALLY WERE AND EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME DOESN'T LIKE TRUE RPGS WAAAAAAA"
I don't find that to be remotely helpful.
Those people don't want anything new, they don't want anything innovative, they want Baldur's Gate 3 to be exactly like BG2 was in every way, and anything less is unacceptable.
You must not be reading those threads very carefully, then. When you have time, check them out without bringing your pre-conceptions to the table. They're the closest thing the BSN has to good content.
After saving everyone I possibly could in both games, I'd prefer all of the effort I've put into my playthrough not be completely bloody wasted on a diabolus ex machina. I'm hardly going to go so far as canceling my pre-order, but if I put the same effort into getting the best ending I can (which I will; I tend to be meticulous in my playthroughs), I'll be disillusioned with the series. After that, I'm going to wait on further titles by Bioware until I'm sure the ending I'll be working hard to get in future games won't just be a slap in the face.
*This thread contains minor spoilers about the end. I intended it contain none, but people have been posting minor spoilers anyway.*
The Mass Effect 3 ending details have been data mined due to leaks/early copies and the results are not good at all. The majority of the members on the bioware forums have gone up in flames and are outraged. It's not pretty.
How far can Bioware/EA go to completely alienate their fans?
The fallout from Dragon Age 2 was bad enough. Then Mass Effect 3 DLC controversy was even worse. This looks like it could be the killer.
I don't want to include spoilers in this thread, but if you really want to know, go to the Bioware forums and look at the Mass Effect 3 spoiler thread. You can't miss it.
For those who are fine with very vague spoilers, but don't want to know the actual details:
All of the possible endings are incredibly depressing and the sense of purpose from the two previous games are destroyed.
Whilst not everyone is outraged at this, this could be enough to really hurt Bioware and force them into some strange DLC fix situation. From the looks of things, people aren't going to live this down.
For discussion:
What are your thoughts on Bioware? Why have they had their foot stuck in knee deep controversy for the last few years? Do you think the reaction to the endings will do serious damage?
All the possible endings are depressing because they are depressing (anticlimaxes like the universe getting destroyed etc) or depressing because they're just bad?
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