Bioware forums explode as Mass Effect 3 ending details are leaked. *MINOR SPOILERS*

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NinjaDeathSlap

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Well honestly? What were they expecting? Yes, the Reapers are beatable, but Bioware made it quite clear from the outset that even is you do everything right, there's only so much bloodshed you can prevent. Sacrifices will have to be made, people will die, maybe even entire races will be lost for the greater good, but that's the price you pay fighting a super-advanced dreadnought army species that is hell bent on your total annihilation. Quite frankly, it should be enough that there even is a way to win against the Reapers at all. It may be depressing, but what would be even more depressing would be to have all this build up, only for you to be able to turn the Reapers into your little bitches just by doing all the loyalty missions, thus removing all semblance of some balls from the plot.

I may change my mind if they turn out to cross the line from 'bittersweet no matter what you do' to 'total fucking cock slap no matter what you do', but if anything I think this is great news and I applaud the writers at Bioware for proving to us that they have a spine.
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
only for you to be able to turn the Reapers into your little bitches just by doing all the loyalty missions,
Interesting Choice of Words.

have you read the leaked endings?
 

NinjaDeathSlap

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boag said:
NinjaDeathSlap said:
only for you to be able to turn the Reapers into your little bitches just by doing all the loyalty missions,
Interesting Choice of Words.

have you read the leaked endings?
I am reading them now (probably won't go for THAT choice on any playthrough). So far the only thing that's pissed me off is...

Shepard's flashbacks of the "three most important people in his life" being Joker (that's fine), his love interest (fine too), and Admiral Hackett-wait, what?! You don't even meet Hackett until ME2 arrival. Beyond that you just do some odd jobs for him in ME1. Shepard and Hackett aren't close. IT SHOULD BE ANDERSON GODDAMMIT!
 

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Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
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It's a problem because we actually invested time in this stuff. It's not like a book or a movie, we played these games and expect for our efforts not to be invalidated.
And they won't be, as it looks your commander Shepard will pretty much single handedly deliver the biggest blow the Reapers have ever gotten.

I just don't get this, how could anyone have expected a completely happy ending without some sort of contrived reason?
Exactly.

You beat the freaking Reapers, the ancient machine race that has been near-invincible for millenniums.

How in the world does this mean your choices are invalidated because Shepard and his crew loses out??

The fact that people expected to have some bright sunshine ending just because they acted nice is contrary to what the world is.
Most people seem angry because this effectively destroys the mass Effect Universe. There will never be another game like 1 or 2, they effectively butt-fucked the cannon into an inescapable hole.

Oh and almost all your actions are invalidated, all your choices don't play out at all. Just a crappy way to send out this series.


Cause they couldn't make a game set before Shepard's adventure!

Nope.
They could, but would you really enjoy it? Knowing the grim fate looming overhead?

Exactly why so many couldn't get into Halo Reach.
If that really is the reason why people couldn't get into Halo: Reach, then... wow.

Have these people not heard of Greek Tragedy? One of the most important forms of Drama that has ever existed. Basically the whole defining premise is that the Hero is fucked from the start. Hell, in most of them it even had a narrator come on and give a prologue that explicitly told you that the Hero was fucked from the start. On the surface it might sometimes seem like it was down to them making the wrong choices, but when you consider that the Ancient Greeks believed that all things were governed by fate, any 'choice' that there might have been was nothing but an illusion.

This isn't a bad thing at all. It might lead to some damn depressing endings. But if an ending really tugs at your heart strings, then surely that's a plus, so long as it moves you one way or another? Knowing the Hero's fate from the start doesn't stop them or their story from being powerful. In some cases it makes it more so, the tragedy of seeing someone so driven and so determined fall, because no matter how good they were, they couldn't escape their fate, sends a very powerful message about Humanities place in the wider scheme of things. Not a very happy message, but a powerful one nonetheless.

Halo: Reach's ending is in my top 5 video-game endings of all time for precisely this reason. I guess people will like what they like, and that makes this whole rant pointless, but really? If this concept is so unpopular, when how come it has survived all these years?
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
I am reading them now (probably won't go for THAT choice on any playthrough). So far the only thing that's pissed me off is...

Shepard's flashbacks of the "three most important people in his life" being Joker (that's fine), his love interest (fine too), and Admiral Hackett-wait, what?! You don't even meet Hackett until ME2 arrival. Beyond that you just do some odd jobs for him in ME1. Shepard and Hackett aren't close. IT SHOULD BE ANDERSON GODDAMMIT!
It's actually
Joker, Liara (regardless of romance, possibly a bug?), Anderson.
So don't worry about the last one, but the middle is a bit of a controversy right now...
 

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Coldie said:
NinjaDeathSlap said:
I am reading them now (probably won't go for THAT choice on any playthrough). So far the only thing that's pissed me off is...

Shepard's flashbacks of the "three most important people in his life" being Joker (that's fine), his love interest (fine too), and Admiral Hackett-wait, what?! You don't even meet Hackett until ME2 arrival. Beyond that you just do some odd jobs for him in ME1. Shepard and Hackett aren't close. IT SHOULD BE ANDERSON GODDAMMIT!
It's actually
Joker, Liara (regardless of romance, possibly a bug?), Anderson.
So don't worry about the last one, but the middle is a bit of a controversy right now...
Actually the ME1 romances show up fine. so Liara, Ash, and Kiaden work.

There IS going to be a day 1 patch that most assume fixes it.
 

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BaronIveagh said:
The running joke on the forums is that it unlocks decent endings.
I don't see why it would need to, the endings are good as is, and fit with the overall message and themes of the series.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
BaronIveagh said:
The running joke on the forums is that it unlocks decent endings.
I don't see why it would need to, the endings are good as is, and fit with the overall message and themes of the series.
Oh, take your pick: public outrage, EA squeezing every last DLC dime out of it they can, the fact that the ending is practically written to be revised with DLC...
 

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Where are people getting this info? I'm not saying it isn't true, but the only evidence people have offered are other forum post saying it's true. Not convincing IMO. I'm reserving judgement until the game is officially out.

edit: Also, though I would really like a happy ending, the endings make sense from a narrative perspective. I'm not too upset.
 

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BaronIveagh said:
Oh, take your pick: public outrage, EA squeezing every last DLC dime out of it they can, the fact that the ending is practically written to be revised with DLC...
-Bioware fans rage at every announcement Bioware had made since ME1.
-EA hasn't even REMOTELY pushed the limits of DLC, when they start selling critical plot information as DLC then ill believe that EA is trying to squeeze money with DLC.
-Anyone who thinks Bioware would change the ending with DLC makes me lol, its pretty final, theres no real way to do DLC to go past it.
 

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LHZA said:
Where are people getting this info? I'm not saying it isn't true, but the only evidence people have offered are other forum post saying it's true. Not convincing IMO. I'm reserving judgement until the game is officially out.

edit: Also, though I would really like a happy ending, the endings make sense from a narrative perspective. I'm not too upset.
Well, you can download it from pirate torrents even now, and one of the regulars on BSN got one of the space copies and started mining it for data and putting it up on youtube. He's given three separate playthroughs so far, as well as a full list of the war materials you have to gather.
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
If that really is the reason why people couldn't get into Halo: Reach, then... wow.

Have these people not heard of Greek Tragedy?
Yes I have. HOWEVER, this isn't a Greek Tragedy it's a Space Odyssey. Two completely different types of stories. Second what works in film or a book may not work in a game, It may have worked in say God of War, but God of War had a specific theme and message designed for that type of story. This sudden tone shift just does not fit write with what has been established.

In a video game, if the player feels like his actions and effort have become pointless or invalidated then the player losses investment in the story. Mass Effect 3's ending are just a sad attempt to emulate Dues Ex, raise some sort of philosophical question. This wouldn't be a problem, but the issue is that the player feels like all the choices and actions they have taken have been for nothing, and with a series that's selling point is CHOICE, the fact that literally hundreds of variables have been boiled down to 4 or so endings is appalling.

It's just bad unoriginal writing, and is all the more worse because it marks the end of one of the most beloved science fictions in history. I don't want a happy ending with my love interest like some many of the ragging fanboys, I just want a satisfying conclusion.
 

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none of us have even played the game yet. why the hell is everyone basing their opinion on some dude who played and posted pictures or he says she says bullshit they read on the internet. very judgemental people geez. shit i wish the reapers were real and destroyed all these bitching bioware loathing pussies. i never post on forums but god the ignorance of some people is unreal.
 

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At this point I became so numb, regarding the multiple shitstorms Mass Effect 3 generated all over the internet. It's quite sad. Ha. Maybe it is SAD [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAD]?

In any case, stop worrying, everyone! There will be at least 2 bigass DLCs, just like LotSB and Overlord.

Here are my predictions on what they will involve. Spoiler'd, just in case I slip some of the leaked info in there.
- One DLC will have you fix the long distance interstellar travel and you will rescue your crew and live happily ever after.

That is until the next DLC hits, in which...
- Some sort of space dictator tries to abuse the new status quo and you go SEAL Team Six on their ass.

Only after that you're really allowed to settle down on some sort of Risa-like planet with your space waifu/hubby and truly live happily ever after. On Risa.
And remember, I called it!

I'm mostly kidding, tho. It's crazy talk, I don't know shit. Except that I'm fairly certain there WILL be big content DLCs, after those crappy endings. No, I have no proof of that, I'm talking out of my ass mostly. But this is Bioware and EA we're dealing with. Believing there will be DLCs is just common sense.
I stopped being concerned about all this long ago, really, I'll just see what happens and then will judge the game and the company on what was delivered to me.
 

NinjaDeathSlap

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Yes I have. HOWEVER, this isn't a Greek Tragedy it's a Space Odyssey. Two completely different types of stories. Second what works in film or a book may not work in a game, It may have worked in say God of War, but God of War had a specific theme and message designed for that type of story. This sudden tone shift just does not fit write with what has been established.
So you're telling me that the game franchise that starts off with the player as supposedly the last of their kind, on the run from an unstoppable, genocidal force on an alien landscape that hides a even worse enemy, it a last ditch effort to find some way of saving what's left of your species was never meant to have a tragic element?

Halo: Reach might have had a slightly darker tone than the other games, particularly the first 2, but it allowed to due to the fact that it is a different game; and honestly, when people heard the name Halo: Reach when it was announced, what exactly where they expecting? If they knew anything about established Halo lore that is.

You can have elements of two different types of narrative, such as Greek Tragedy and Space Opera, mixed together these days. Writers don't have to rigidly stick to formula, and that's a good thing. If you want 100% Space Opera and 0% Greek Tragedy? Then let's look at how many 'happy' endings there are in actual Opera (tip: not many).

In a video game, if the player feels like his actions and effort have become pointless or invalidated then the player losses investment in the story.
Does it? All it tells me is that I don't get to activate fucking God Mode because I chose the right dialogue option. Now that is what I call "bad" writing.

Mass Effect 3's ending are just a sad attempt to emulate Dues Ex, raise some sort of philosophical question. This wouldn't be a problem, but the issue is that the player feels like all the choices and actions they have taken have been for nothing, and with a series that's selling point is CHOICE, the fact that literally hundreds of variables have been boiled down to 4 or so endings is appalling.
If a player feels that their actions meant nothing due to these endings, then I'm sorry but that is their problem, because it just not true. Your actions will shape the Galaxy for the rest of time, you can determine who lives and who dies. Your choices do matter, it's just telling you that sometimes, even a 'good' ending has to come at a high price, and I applaud them for having the guts to do that (although some other fine details I'm not too happy about).

There are also more endings than that. There are three final choices, but depending on other variables you can have several different actual endings.

It's just bad unoriginal writing, and is all the more worse because it marks the end of one of the most beloved science fictions in history. I don't want a happy ending with my love interest like some many of the ragging fanboys, I just want a satisfying conclusion.
because 'saving the frickin' galaxy from an armada thought completely unstoppable, that had previously wiped out the most advanced races know to time with great ease' doesn't satisfy you?
 

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SajuukKhar said:
The endings actually imply they start a colony and that it does survive.
What, the 5 of them make a colony?
Jacob's father says hello, you tiny gene pool fan you!
 

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Loethlin said:
I'm mostly kidding, tho. It's crazy talk, I don't know shit. Except that I'm fairly certain there WILL be big content DLCs, after those crappy endings. No, I have no proof of that, I'm talking out of my ass mostly. But this is Bioware and EA we're dealing with. Believing there will be DLCs is just common sense.
I really doubt that any DLC will take place after the endings. Before the endings, sure, there's gotta be a ton of DLC coming up with side plots, but don't expect to be able to play after the finale.
 

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PingoBlack said:
SajuukKhar said:
The endings actually imply they start a colony and that it does survive.
What, the 5 of them make a colony?
Jacob's father says hello, you tiny gene pool fan you!
Don't forget Garrus and Tali can't eat normal food, so they starve to death, all alone!

If you romanced one of them, then they truly are alone as well.

Thank you for playing Mass Effect 3, have a good day now, buh bye!

You want them to live? Well MAYBE, if you give us $7 for this DLC....