Therumancer said:
See, this right here is what derails these discussions. You can't make a valid arguement, so you have to start getting into absurdities. There is a big differance between every person having to be present, and having something like a body being made public.
You implied that no evidence was sufficient except actually seeing firsthand what was being claimed. In the case of Osama bin Laden, that would be seeing his corpse. In the case of the moon landings, by your own logic, it would be ferrying people to the moon.
Therumancer said:
Things like Muslim burial policies are irrelevent to the situation because the US is not only not a Muslim nation, but we have a seperation of Church and State.
We allow churches to be exempt from taxes, have federal holidays for religious holy days, etc. We seem to hold religion in pretty high esteem here in America, in case you haven't noticed. And even if we didn't, telling strategically important nations who
do value religion where they can shove their superstitious mumbo-jumbo doesn't seem like a very good foreign policy plan.
Then again, you're building a nice resume of hilariously bad government policies. This is mostly the norm from you.
Therumancer said:
Religion and spirituality do not influance our policies.
Pffftt...HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Oh, God, that's too much, man. That's too much. I can barely breathe here.
Therumancer said:
In a case like this where our best interests are served by NOT following the customs of another nation, we don't do it, we follow our own policies and customs. Argueing that we did this for diplomatic reasons is nothing but an excuse, and if true is another point in the "Obama is a moron" column if he had the body and disposed of it for this reason.
So...because Obama most likely prevented a vindictive bombing campaign by Al Qaeda and simultaneously prevented problems with the various Muslim nations we maintain often strained relationships (seeing as we'd be spitting on their faith), he's a moron. Again: Riiiiiiiight.
Therumancer said:
I get it, you don't like the points I'm making, that's fine, but there is no real way to talk around them. The bottom line always come back to what's actually happened. Obama brought the conspiricy theories on himself when he destroyed the body, he has absolutly no way of providing proof that he didn't make this up. He could have had proof if he had held onto the body, but he didn't... and of course, all the reasons for why he should have held onto the body provide the sparks for people to claim that we never "got" Bin Ladin.
On the contrary, there's plenty of evidence. There's DNA tests, the testimony of SEAL Team 6, the officers involved, the officials involved, the remains of the helicopter they used, the confirmation of his death from Al Qaeda...the list goes on.
The funniest part, though, is that you seem to think that the only valid evidence of the kill is seeing Osama's corpse first hand, dismissing that after that
everyone would believe he was dead except for the crazies who thought he'd been "cloned" or something (your example, too). Even better? There are plenty of ways to falsify a body. Saddam Hussein had dozens of body doubles, virtually of of whom were indistinguishable from him. And the surgery that produces them is so simple that conspiracy theorists would sprout a massive hard-on for it as soon as they saw the corpse. "That's no bullet scar! That's a surgery mark! THIS ISN'T HIM!"
Therumancer said:
Now understand, just because we didn't get Bin Ladin doesn't mean he isn't dead. I suspect he is, because Obama wouldn't risk the guy popping up just to mess with the US. He doubtlessly is Dead, but due to the way Barry handled this it will remain open to speculation as to whether we had anything to do with it, and of course Barry wants to take credit for it given the upcoming election.
Wow. That's a bit surprising. In spite of the fact that there is zero evidence to your "Osama's probably been dead for a while" theory, you offhandedly classify it as common sense, while denying the existence of the mountain of evidence suggesting that he was alive
until we killed him a few days ago.
