Blizzard is suing hackers

[Gindil]

Are they being taken to court for multiplayer hacks or singleplayer hacks?

If multiplayer hacks, then, well thats kind of extreme. If they were just dicking around in custom games there shouldn't be a problem, but if they were actually hacking in competative play then yeah, I'd say they deserve it.

If its for those single player hackers, then what the hell? Is people getting achievements and pictures through hacks really worth taking them to court for?

Some of those hacks had multiplayer and singleplayer uses. So in effect they are being sued for inducement...

The same crap that shut down Kazaa, Limewire, and a bunch of other sites by the RIAA.

So I'm against what Blizzard is actually doing right now. It seems far-fetched for something so trivial.

 

[Arehexes]

Those hackers get what they deserve, it's about time developers started sueing the hackers.

So I guess Sony did it wrong, instead of suing the hackers who made all the homebrew they used it in their firmwares(supposedly). Sorry I'm not buying that with game hackers, seeing how they make a lot of popular mods in PC games. Even Valve is known to buy games hackers make(like Counter Strike, which is a half life mod). Legal or not hackers will be around to make life fun/hard for people to enhance games (while some are just sorry hacks to make a game much easier then it needs to be). If you guys are this hurt about some no name hackers with a multiplayer game what about this

http://us.codejunkies.com/Products/XB360-Xport__EF000191.aspx

note this blurb
"# Transfer game saves from the internet to boost your achievements!"

Datel is selling a product which is advertised to boost achievements, how come you guys aren't going nuts for this. But I guess you guys are freaking out over something that has been done for a lot time. Also hackers were the one who found out about Hot Coffee which was hidden from the ESRB.

 

[AugustFall]

The fact that they were selling the hacks makes this more legitimate.

 

[Arehexes]

**snip**

Perhaps because mods are released to the public freely with no money changing hands. Were they to charge for said mods, then I would see a lawsuit coming indefinitely.

Also EULA's have been upheld in court (see Blizzard vs. Bnetd).

Never know, I've seen roms for sell on the android market place ("PSX RPG Pack Zip" is one). And it's still there, and I've roomed with someone who pays a site to let him torrent games. Now those things are worse then hacking a game (but I do agree charging for it is just wrong if you ask me).

 

[Blanko2]

how is the ruling going to transfer over internationally?
american court doesnt have jurisdiction in peru!

 

[spartan1077]

I don't care. Hackers get what they deserve.

Buy the game? You got the CD, the box it came in, and any information on said CD. The moment you rewrite and tamper with the coding and plan to sell/distribute the hacked coding, you are violating Blizzard's IP. Therefore you get busted.

Worse if you attempt to hack THEIR servers. The servers are Blizzard's property and hacking them, be it with unwarranted mods/cheats/hacks, you are basically breaking and entering into Blizzard's space.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[omega 616]

this, i find quite justified.
what i DONT find justified though, is that people who hack their singleplayer account, also get the hammer from blizzard. i mean seriously? get a grip blizzard.

The results from single player missions effect the multi player in some way, so by cheating on one you cheating on the other.

On topic. Good! I hope next they go after pirates. Maybe they can set a standard for other devs to follow.

 

[polygon]

So either no one in this thread has ever used a cheat, played a mod, or opened a pen before, or you're all hypocrites.

I'm leaning toward the latter.

 

[Gutkrusha]

I use trainers and make mods for my PC games. It's the only reason I buy PC games. What I do alone on my computer with like minded individuals is my own goddamned business. If I have no intention of going online or cheating online, leave me the hell alone. Nothing I do affects your enjoyment of the game.

I'm a modder, and damned proud of it. I also use trainers in single player, proud of that, too. no matter what a gaming company does, us modders and cheaters won't go away. If they start trying to force me to be connected to the internet to play the game to keep me from modding or using trainers, i'll just contact the pirates and get a crack that bypasses it.

Punishing players that did nothing to ruin anyone else's experience will just push people to an easier path. (Read: Piracy)

That said, If these people were making multiplayer trainers or modifications and selling them, yes it's wrong. Should they be punished? Absolutely. Do I think they should have their entire lives destroyed because of it? Absolutely not.

 

[Godhead]

Well it wasn't unwarranted but I would hope they sent a cease and desist letter before suing their asses.

 

[Nouw]

Blizzard defending their game is fine with me. Even if it is ridiculous, they knew that they'd be fucked.

 

[Nifty]

Such an absurd over reaction. This is just Blizzard saying "we're so big and rich that we can afford to look juvenile and daft". This is no different from some WoW nutter having his magic sword swindled out of him and then going round the perpetrator's house in real life and stabbing him to death.

If someone cheats in an online they should just be tarred and feathered, a scorched earth response just sets more horrendous examples to other publishers/developers already obsessed with the where-there's-a-blame-there's-a-claim culture.

 

[linwolf]

Modding is a core part of PC gaming, I can't believe that people will give up this awesome part of gaming.

 

[Gutkrusha]

Modding is a core part of PC gaming, I can't believe that people will give up this awesome part of gaming.

We won't. Even if they make it illegal, it's still going to happen. You can't stop a determined group of people.

 

[monkey_man]

really understandable
but i think 4chan is going to be cross

 

[Gindil]

Blizzard sure is with their EULA and TOS. I will never touch their games now.

 

[Unknower]

So either no one in this thread has ever used a cheat, played a mod, or opened a pen before, or you're all hypocrites.

I'm leaning toward the latter.

This isn't about modding.

You can't sell mods or hacks, just like you can't take a movie, edit it somehow and then start selling it.

These people sold multiplayer hacks. Blizzard sued them because those hackers made money from their property.

If someone made money from selling Morrowind/Oblivion -mods, Bethesda would sue them. It's the same thing here.

Modding is a core part of PC gaming, I can't believe that people will give up this awesome part of gaming.

Who's giving up anything?

They made money from the hacks. That's illegal.

 

[Atmos Duality]

No, no it's not. The EULA will never stand up in court, probably why they're not citing it in their case brief (as someone just pointed out to me). The EULA is not a valid contract.

Good. People are starting to figure the legalese out.

It's important to note that while the EULA is not unconscionable in itself; the order in which they are presented where the process becomes questionable.
You purchase the license first, but there is no way you can agree to it then, and there are no negotiable terms.