Blizzard Surprised by Reaction to Online-Only Diablo 3

[fundayz]

without hope you have nothing and I'm still not sure if I'll use it at all yet so hope is all i have

If you want to pretend that these problems won't exist when all factual evidence says they will, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.

how can you be disappointed when your expecting the worse but hoping your wrong

Sorry, it wasn't clear that you are expecting the worse. All I can say is, be prepared for Diablo 3 to have an incredibly unstable economy.

Anyway, On topic: If DRM is NOT the reason for cutting Offline Single PLayer, then what is AND how is it worth alienating all the players that want the feature?

Bridenbecker's response is paramount to saying "We don't care about our offline customers".

 

[Tony2077]

without hope you have nothing and I'm still not sure if I'll use it at all yet so hope is all i have

If you want to pretend that these problems won't exist when all factual evidence says they will, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.

how can you be disappointed when your expecting the worse but hoping your wrong

 

[Nesco Nomen]

Milton make up your mind.

Either Chinese farmers will overcharge (on real money or gold AH - doesn't matter),
or they wont.

If they don't overcharge, everyone gets gear at reasonable prices

If they do, you offer your gear cheaper and take the profit

In another words:
If gold or real money isn't worth a sh1t ---> GEAR IS, SO SELL SOME kk?

 

[fundayz]

Milton make up your mind.

Either Chinese farmers will overcharge (on real money or gold AH - doesn't matter),
or they wont.

If they don't overcharge, everyone gets gear at reasonable prices

If they do, you offer your gear cheaper and take the profit

Simple enough?

They won't overcharge, they will undercut. THAT'S the problem.

In the RMAH, regular players won't be able to compete with Chinese farmer's gold or item prices. In the Gold AH, prices will sky-rocket as farmers create more and more excess gold driving the value of gold down(i.e. inflation).

Plain and simple, the whole system favours those that spend real money over those that don't. That's the way ActiBlizzard wants it.

 

[Nesco Nomen]

So you sell some of your gear for $$, you buy TONS of cheap low priced gold, for which you get the stuff u want from gold AH.

Or you use $$ acquired to buy from money AH, if it's dirt cheap.



You say u cant compete with their prices.
You are not there to bring down or up their prices, but they are not the only ppl who can get some gear, are they

 

[Tony2077]

Milton make up your mind.

Either Chinese farmers will overcharge (on real money or gold AH - doesn't matter),
or they wont.

If they don't overcharge, everyone gets gear at reasonable prices

If they do, you offer your gear cheaper and take the profit

Simple enough?

They won't overcharge, they will undercut. THAT'S the problem.

In the RMAH, regular players won't be able to compete with Chinese farmer's gold or item prices. In the Gold AH, prices will sky-rocket as farmers create more and more excess gold driving the value of gold down(i.e. inflation).

Plain and simple, the whole system favours those that spend real money over those that don't. That's the way ActiBlizzard wants it.

please don't be like other people and go that activision route

 

[freakonaleash]

You have to always be on-line for SC2 I believe, and it is pretty obvious blizzard games are gonna be like this from now on. Deal with it.

 

[Frostbite3789]

online only, no single player = guildwars

quests are done in parties, otherwise you don't meet players in quests that are not part of your team = guildwars

characters saved onto servers = guildwars

able to re-asign skills = guildwars

game level data stored on HDD, server handles network connections + updates only = guildwars

it even does the same business model of one time retail boxed product payment

It couldn't be more the same if it tried

What are you trying to get at here? You aren't making any sense. Guild Wars is an MMO. It makes sense that you'd have to be online for it work, because it's a fucking MMO. Diablo 3 is not an MMO. It is not advertised as an MMO, Diablo 1/2 were not primarily mutliplayer games, which is why there is such an outcry.

"Diablo 3 is not an MMO"

will you say world of warcraft is no longer an mmo or warcraft because it's not an rts like the old ones.

well it clearly now is, sorry blizzard didn't consult you about what type of game they were making

are people incapable of reading between the lines or does it need to be spelled out for them

Spell it out for me please.

Where is the persistent world where the quests I complete stay completed and I don't have to go back and do them again if I go with a new group? Where are the cities and the actual in game economy?

With the Guild Wars 1/2 'reference' where are the hub worlds where I can meet up with every single player that's currently online? Oh? They don't exist you say? I guess this isn't an MMO and they are trying to force DRM into a game, and call it something else.

You can dress bullshit up however you want. It doesn't change the fact that it is still bullshit. It's just like the MW3 and 60 frames per second, you have people somehow finding a way to defend that as an actual feature.

You have to always be on-line for SC2 I believe, and it is pretty obvious blizzard games are gonna be like this from now on. Deal with it.

Or I can you know...show I don't support such jackhole corporate tactics and not buy them at all. I guess that didn't cross your mind?

People have every right to voice they don't like something. The fact that you apparently think that's wrong, strikes me as ten different forms of bizarre.

 

[Tony2077]

online only, no single player = guildwars

quests are done in parties, otherwise you don't meet players in quests that are not part of your team = guildwars

characters saved onto servers = guildwars

able to re-asign skills = guildwars

game level data stored on HDD, server handles network connections + updates only = guildwars

it even does the same business model of one time retail boxed product payment

It couldn't be more the same if it tried

What are you trying to get at here? You aren't making any sense. Guild Wars is an MMO. It makes sense that you'd have to be online for it work, because it's a fucking MMO. Diablo 3 is not an MMO. It is not advertised as an MMO, Diablo 1/2 were not primarily mutliplayer games, which is why there is such an outcry.

"Diablo 3 is not an MMO"

will you say world of warcraft is no longer an mmo or warcraft because it's not an rts like the old ones.

well it clearly now is, sorry blizzard didn't consult you about what type of game they were making

are people incapable of reading between the lines or does it need to be spelled out for them

Spell it out for me please.

Where is the persistent world where the quests I complete stay completed and I don't have to go back and do them again if I go with a new group? Where are the cities and the actual in game economy?

With the Guild Wars 1/2 'reference' where are the hub worlds where I can meet up with every single player that's currently online? Oh? They don't exist you say? I guess this isn't an MMO and they are trying to force DRM into a game, and call it something else.

You can dress bullshit up however you want. It doesn't change the fact that it is still bullshit. It's just like the MW3 and 60 frames per second, you have people somehow finding a way to defend that as an actual feature.

You have to always be on-line for SC2 I believe, and it is pretty obvious blizzard games are gonna be like this from now on. Deal with it.

Or I can you know...show I don't support such jackhole corporate tactics and not buy them at all. I guess that didn't cross your mind?

People have every right to voice they don't like something. The fact that you apparently think that's wrong, strikes me as ten different forms of bizarre.

they do have the right to say it but too bad most of them go about it the wrong way.

 

[TheDooD]

Milton make up your mind.

Either Chinese farmers will overcharge (on real money or gold AH - doesn't matter),
or they wont.

If they don't overcharge, everyone gets gear at reasonable prices

If they do, you offer your gear cheaper and take the profit

Simple enough?

They won't overcharge, they will undercut. THAT'S the problem.

In the RMAH, regular players won't be able to compete with Chinese farmer's gold or item prices. In the Gold AH, prices will sky-rocket as farmers create more and more excess gold driving the value of gold down(i.e. inflation).

Plain and simple, the whole system favours those that spend real money over those that don't. That's the way ActiBlizzard wants it.

I saw this happen in Mabinogi and Dungeon Fighter Online AH's a lot of inflation. Like how avatars cost 400k in gold minimum and that was them being nice yet most were in the millions. There's no normal way to get millions of gold without farming for days, selling inflated avatar and of course the old standby of out right cheating. Because the drop rate outside test servers are a complete joke. If you really wanted Avatars or any of the special shit.(re-specs, instant healing items, the ability to sell more items then normally allowed) You had to shell out money to NEXON because the AH was broken beyond repair. I think the AH in D3 has made people forget the basics of their Economics classes. All they see is an easy way to make money yet they forget a few million people are gonna do it too. I'm glad that I paid attention in my Economics class. I just saved myself hours of heartache.

 

[Nesco Nomen]

They won't overcharge, they will undercut. THAT'S the problem.

In the RMAH, regular players won't be able to compete with Chinese farmer's gold

I saw this happen in Mabinogi and Dungeon Fighter Online AH's a lot of inflation. Like how avatars cost 400k in gold minimum and that was them being nice yet most were in the millions. There's no normal way to get millions of gold without farming for days

And these games u mention, Mabinogi and Dungeon Fighter Online...

They wouldn't by any chance have webshops with infinite supply of some crappy cosmetics, like that avatar you cream about, would they?
And this cream of yours can also be acquired ingame, and is not exactly an every day drop, right?

I'm glad that I paid attention in my Economics class. I just saved myself hours of heartache.

Time to ask your money back Milton

 

[Epona]

You have to always be on-line for SC2 I believe, and it is pretty obvious blizzard games are gonna be like this from now on. Deal with it.

If we do "Deal with it" then yes, Blizzard games will be like this from now on but if we complain and refuse to buy Blizzard games, they may change it. If enough sales are lost they will be forced to change it.

So, I think I'll disregard your advice.

 

[Nesco Nomen]

Blizzard will change their game developing and business model, for the sake of those who

CAN'T / WON'T use Internet?

You serious? I'm tellin ya - you're not even on their radar

But...I'll give u this Crono1973
It's a fucking weird way to practice privacy you are so concern about

 

[Epona]

Blizzard will change their game developing and business model, for the sake of those who

CAN'T / WON'T use Internet?

You serious? I'm tellin ya - you're not even on their radar

Obviously I am currently using the internet so I can and will but I won't use the internet to play a single player game.

Yes, I am serious that if they lose enough sales they will change.

 

[Nesco Nomen]

OTOH...

Check out my nick - Nesco Nomen. It's friggin beautiful, call the FBI, CSI, everyone will agree

 

[Tony2077]

Blizzard will change their game developing and business model, for the sake of those who

CAN'T / WON'T use Internet?

You serious? I'm tellin ya - you're not even on their radar

Obviously I am currently using the internet so I can and will but I won't use the internet to play a single player game.

Yes, I am serious that if they lose enough sales they will change.

well they won't lose enough to make they care at all so keep dreaming.

 

[TheDooD]

They won't overcharge, they will undercut. THAT'S the problem.

In the RMAH, regular players won't be able to compete with Chinese farmer's gold

I saw this happen in Mabinogi and Dungeon Fighter Online AH's a lot of inflation. Like how avatars cost 400k in gold minimum and that was them being nice yet most were in the millions. There's no normal way to get millions of gold without farming for days

And these games u mention, Mabinogi and Dungeon Fighter Online...

They wouldn't by any chance have webshops with infinite supply of some crappy cosmetics, like that avatar you cream about, would they?
And this cream of yours can also be acquired ingame, and is not exactly an every day drop, right?

I'm glad that I paid attention in my Economics class. I just saved myself hours of heartache.

Time to ask your money back Milton

in Mabi and DFO they aren't drops at all. You have to buy them and all of them give you some kind of stat buff yet in DFO the avatars are random unless you go all out to buy a full set.

 

[freakonaleash]

You have to always be on-line for SC2 I believe, and it is pretty obvious blizzard games are gonna be like this from now on. Deal with it.

If we do "Deal with it" then yes, Blizzard games will be like this from now on but if we complain and refuse to buy Blizzard games, they may change it. If enough sales are lost they will be forced to change it.

So, I think I'll disregard your advice.

Here is the thing...people ARE going to buy the game.

 

[Nesco Nomen]

in Mabi and DFO they aren't drops at all. You have to buy them and all of them give you some kind of stat buff yet in DFO the avatars are random unless you go all out to buy a full set.

In D3 there are no web-shops. Only thing happening in D3 economy is ppl trading in-game acquired goods, right?

So there isn't anything in-common with Mabi and DFO, beside citizens of PR of China playing all of them, is it

Here is the thing...people ARE going to buy the game.

Game will sell more then Skyrim, BF3 and maaybe even more then MW3. PC only of course.

 

[Epona]

You have to always be on-line for SC2 I believe, and it is pretty obvious blizzard games are gonna be like this from now on. Deal with it.

If we do "Deal with it" then yes, Blizzard games will be like this from now on but if we complain and refuse to buy Blizzard games, they may change it. If enough sales are lost they will be forced to change it.

So, I think I'll disregard your advice.

Here is the thing...people ARE going to buy the game.

I have seen this argument alot in this thread. It's not much of an argument since you don't know that yet.

We also heard this argument about the 3DS because Nintendo handhelds always sell.