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El Poncho

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Kukul said:
Blah blah blah.
If you let the Queen of England rule over you, that means you're English. Gain independence and then we'll talk.
Well the queen doesn't rule over us we have a British parliment with little mini parliments for each country in Wales and Scotland, the royal family hasn't been able to make decisions since some sort of war. She is just a tourist attraction for you Americans to enjoy:)

Edit: Also I don't mind being called British I think the OP means don't say everyone in Britain is English they can be Scottish or Welsh , if you are not sure call them British.
 

Mr Cwtchy

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Shadow of The East said:
Living in Wales, I am British.

Born in Wales, and with Welsh parents, I am Welsh.

As far as I'm concerned, they are interchangeable, although a correction is necessary if anyone calls me English. ;)
What annoys me as an Englishman (with a Scot father and a partly Irish mother) is the way Americans say 'British' to mean ONLY the English - you Welsh and the Scots are British too, but the yanks bother to learn you are different, whereas very few Americans go as far with us and specify 'English'. Just abit of a peeve.
Agreed. Personally, I think it would be far easier if everyone was happy with being British, but apparently that isn't enough anymore.

After all, we achieved far more united than we did divided.
 

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lewiswhitling said:
olikunmissile said:
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olikunmissile said:
Umm... I'm English yet I live in Wales, calling me either English or British doesn't bother me.
erm.. I'm pretty sure you're Welsh in that case. But you're a UK resident and you are a Brit too... i think? Are you a Brit if you're Welsh?
Born in England, English blood, that makes me English, not where I live.
Ah sorry, misread what you put. I thought you were saying that you're English regardless of being born in Wales. Could you answer my other questions though? they're just to make sure.
Sure, sorry I didn't answer them the first time. The UK doesn't really mean what it used to, it used to mean the United Kingdom, However since the Republic of Ireland claimed their independence, it was no longer United. So the term British was re adopted, at least I think that's how it goes. But since Scotland (and to a lesser extent Wales) also claimed a form of independence, it's not really Britain any more. I think that's the gist of it, but I'm not too familiar with all the politics of it.

EDIT: I talked myself off topic... However the islands are named the British Isles so even though it's divided, British is still used.
 

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comadorcrack said:
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In a way this is correct, both Americans and Brit's speak English, their very own dialects of English but English nonetheless. So British = English and American = English.
I always say they Speak American. Because so many words have been "Americanised".
Like A certain metal.

The correct way to say it in staight English is Al-u-min-I-Um
But The Americans say Al-Um-In-Um
If all was right and just in the world it would be called aluminum, just as the discoverer wanted [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#Nomenclature_history].

conqueror Kenny said:
Eldritch Warlord said:
conqueror Kenny said:
Both London (and the area surrounding) and Essex are counties, not cities.
Besides, since this argument is from the poor wikipedia definitions anyway: "The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy and unitary state consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.[19]"
Counties then, doesn't really invalidate my point anyway. I happen to be typing this from Houghton [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton_County,_Michigan].

What are you saying anyway? Is that not a good definition of the UK?
I'm saying comaring countries to states isn't a fair comparison. It's not a good definition as the UK is a is as the name suggests four countries united to form a unitary state.
And the US is 50 countries that form a unitary state. See? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state]
 

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I say I'm British, when I say I'm English they assume I speak English and live in America.

Speak American, it's the only language I know!
 

That Guy Ya Know

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Eldritch Warlord said:
comadorcrack said:
Neeko Masochist said:
In a way this is correct, both Americans and Brit's speak English, their very own dialects of English but English nonetheless. So British = English and American = English.
I always say they Speak American. Because so many words have been "Americanised".
Like A certain metal.

The correct way to say it in staight English is Al-u-min-I-Um
But The Americans say Al-Um-In-Um
If all was right and just in the world it would be called aluminum, just as the discoverer wanted [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#Nomenclature_history].

conqueror Kenny said:
Eldritch Warlord said:
conqueror Kenny said:
Both London (and the area surrounding) and Essex are counties, not cities.
Besides, since this argument is from the poor wikipedia definitions anyway: "The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy and unitary state consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.[19]"
Counties then, doesn't really invalidate my point anyway. I happen to be typing this from Houghton [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton_County,_Michigan].

What are you saying anyway? Is that not a good definition of the UK?
I'm saying comaring countries to states isn't a fair comparison. It's not a good definition as the UK is a is as the name suggests four countries united to form a unitary state.
And the US is 50 countries that form a unitary state. See? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state]
That Guy Ya Know said:
@Agayek: There is a very major difference between the countries of the United Kingdoms and the States of America in that we have thousands of years history of fighting one another, the american states almost all banded together as soon as they were founded (Yes I realise some were added later) you can hardly compare a few states that came into existence at same time and banded together for protection to countries who have fought and killed and died to each other until ultimately one was subjugated by the other. It's a completely different scenario.
 

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Eldritch Warlord said:
conqueror Kenny said:
Eldritch Warlord said:
conqueror Kenny said:
Both London (and the area surrounding) and Essex are counties, not cities.
Besides, since this argument is from the poor wikipedia definitions anyway: "The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy and unitary state consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.[19]"
Counties then, doesn't really invalidate my point anyway. I happen to be typing this from Houghton [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton_County,_Michigan].

What are you saying anyway? Is that not a good definition of the UK?
I'm saying comaring countries to states isn't a fair comparison. It's not a good definition as the UK is a is as the name suggests four countries united to form a unitary state.
And the US is 50 countries that form a unitary state. See? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state]
No, actually it's a federation. Each state has its own government, as opposed to the UK in which each country is run by the same government.
 

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yes well Americans are ignorant and single minded beings. just for all of you Americans out there im going to give you a geography lesson in a way you might understand. Ulster+Wales+Scotland+England=Britain(not including the several small islands they control)
 

Eldritch Warlord

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conqueror Kenny said:
No, actually it's a federation. Each state has its own government, as opposed to the UK in which each country is run by the same government.
True, blame the headache. But it further solidifies my argument that the Welsh (for example) should STFU about not being British.
 

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That Guy Ya Know said:
CIA said:
Why is it not your nationality? I usually go by whats on my passport rather than the name of my state. That does not mean I'm part Alaskan, but that I share a country with a piece of land called Alaska, just as you share a country with a piece of land called Wales.

You're a citizen of the United Kingdom correct? Not of just Wales, Scotland, England, or Northern Ireland.

I must admit I don't get it. Why can't it be used?
To clarify on the history of the British Isles, waaay back in the mist of time there was this country called normandy, an unassuming little place on the north coast of France being the sneaky bugger he was the Norman king, William, forced the most prominent claimant as heir to the English throne, Harold, (The current king having no children the matter was slightly confused) to declare support for William's candidacy. When the king died Harold had himself crowned he then went and fought of one claimant from Norway before rushing back down to the south to get himself killed by William. William then proceeded to set up England as we know it today.

A little while later England got fed up of the sheep shaggers next door with whom we had been fighting for ages so we finally conquered them once and for all. Then we got all the sheep! ;D

The English "conquest" of Scotland is a bit more involved, unlike the Welsh who were basically a pushover because they were too busy with their sheep the Scots like getting drunk and fighting which meant they were harder to put down. Ultimately the fights between the two nations came to a close when a Scottish king also became the English king, throw in the English civil wars for a bit of extra fun in which our Parliament (Our equivalent of the senate back then) decided that the king advisors were misleading him (You couldn't actually directly accuse the king or else you'd lose all your support) and decided the best thing to do was go to war with him. After a lot of farting about in which neither side actually wanted to win Parliament finally got their act straight promised the Scots we would introduce their religion over here and had them capture the king for us, we then let him escape so that we could recapture and execute him. This really pissed off the Scots since he was their king too and they came and fought us and lost. A lot of fannying about and the conquest of Ireland later the only person in England who had any clue what was going on died we fought among ourselves for a bit and the scots got fed up marched into London and plonked the old kings son on the throne.

The conquest of Ireland actually happened a lot earlier but it was during the civil war that they became independent again, once we had won it (and lost it, that's the problem with a civil war) Oliver Cromwell the guy behind the execution of the king and ruler of England for while marched over to Ireland and slaughtered them until they decided maybe it was better to be English subjects than dead.

From this brief overview you can see that the Welsh hate being called English because we stole their sheep. The Scots hate being called English because despite beating us and having their king on the throne twice we still rule them. And the Irish hate being called English because us English are evil protestants who eat good catholic babies for breakfast. As for the English we hate being called English because it is a painful reminder that we aren't American.
Pretty much
 

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Once or twice I have been corrected in a rather rude manner for calling someone from the UK by the wrong nationality(given, I didn't know exactly where they hailed from), so since then I have stuck to a simple formula. If you hail from any nation involved with the EU I call you European until you tell me exactly where you live, or politely tell me what you prefer to be called. Do you see anything wrong with this system?
 

That Guy Ya Know

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jboking said:
Once or twice I have been corrected in a rather rude manner for calling someone from the UK by the wrong nationality(given, I didn't know exactly where they hailed from), so since then I have stuck to a simple formula. If you hail from any nation involved with the EU I call you European until you tell me exactly where you live, or politely tell me what you prefer to be called. Do you see anything wrong with this system?
Well England and I'm sure some of the other European countries have a few people who would take offence at being called European. Check if they read The Daily Mail first, if they do then don't call them European for the love of god.
 

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That Guy Ya Know said:
To clarify on the history of the British Isles... awesome explanation..
Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Except I can perhaps add some insight on the Northern Ireland thing (I'm "Catholic" and from there..).

Most Catholics in Northern Ireland choose to call themselves Irish and don't fully understand what British means and therefore 'follow the leader' in regards to who they despise. The common view is that they want Ireland to be united. Oh and they can't really get over the fact the English continue to support them financially, yet stamped on their faces 100 years ago during the Famine.

The Protestant view is (remember most are from Scotland) that since they arrived and settled on Irish shores and have the backing of the Queen, they should be allowed to stay there. They consider themselves British.

And that's about it.


I myself couldn't give a flying fuck if I was British. With girls, I call myself Irish (instant win). Anything financial, UK/British/Northern Ireland.

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hippykiller said:
Ulster+Wales+Scotland+England=Britain(not including the several small islands they control)
Nope, Ulster is made of 9 counties, 6 of which are located in Northern Ireland and 3 are in the Republic of Ireland.

Stabby- I stand corrected.
 

Stabby Joe

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Northern Irish are NOT British. The full title of the UK is as follows:

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
 

Antlers

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This silly indignant outrage at being called British only reinforces pointless boundaries between countries. I'm from Southern Ireland and am not arsed if an American thinks I'm British. I'll correct them for correctness sake, but not because I feel offended.

Get. Over. It. Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh people are all the bloody same. With slightly varying accents.