Call Of Duty 7... VIETNAM!?!?!

[vento 231]

I think it's good that CoD is trying something new, this will be the first veitnam war game that i've seen, and cod always comes through. :#

 

[Dr. Gorgenflex]

Vietnam is the best war for gaming, especially on the American side. It is just Americans having fun shooting people, especially if they use a story that takes aspects from full metal jacket. Battlefield: Vietnam is also the best Battlefield game IMO.

 

[WayOutThere]

There is room for potential here.

I'd like there to be a lot of tension because you never know when you will be atacked. That could be a good souce of immersion.

Yeah, I hope it happens.

 

[Shock and Awe]

I would prefer Korea.

 

[e2density]

Who gives a shit, Infinity Ward is pumping out games like Octomom does babies...

 

[berault]

The best part will be the 6 month boat ride bonus level where you can unlock "scurvy"

 

[vento 231]

I await the My Lai level with morbid interest.

They'd never do it. Nor do I think they should, particularly. There's more than little distinction between that and the airport level in MW2.

OT: Don't care anymore anyway. If IW having told my kind to fuck off, then Treyarch certainly will as well (assuming they played a role in the stupid decisions made, as well as Activision).

It'd certainly be interesting to see an American company recreate a war that they lost though. I know there's been a 'Nam game before but I think it was pretty shit, and subsequently ignored.

I enjoyed the airport level and thought it greatly contributed to the story line.

 

[berault]

I await the My Lai level with morbid interest.

Basically "No Russian", but with rape

 

[Poofs]

at this point anything is better than more Nazi's and Japanese

 

[gunbladejoe]

only if there's still the zombies thing really.

 

[Mr. Win]

Every other mission will be from the point of view of a Vietnamese soldier. His story is shown with incredible sympathy (even though he has to kill Americans, which would be apparently offensive, etc.) and in the last mission, the two characters collide and the Vietnamese soldier is killed mercilessly. PLZ TREYARCH TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE POWER GAME STORIES CAN HAVE

 

[knight of zendikar]

I'd prefer a CoD game centered around Canadians fighting in World War II or Korea, personally.

Or a CoD game set in the War of 1812.

Or fuck it, WORLD WAR I.

bay of pigs was an attempt of the us to invade kuba in short...they got their ass handed on a plate on that day, extremely disastrous in an almost slapstick manner.

there was actually one incident in the crisis that came to light decades later. an u.s. destroyer unprovoked tried to bomb a soviet submarine with waterbombs. the correct response acording to soviet military doctrine would have been to blast the us-fleet away with a nuclear torpedo. only one brave soviet officer named Wassili Alexandrowitsch Archipow refused to obey the orders and start a nuclear war. that's right, the only reason we are not fighting over scrap food in a nuclear wasteland today is because one russian officer didn't let himself get worked up over the provocation of some stupid cowboys.

First of all, use proper grammar.
Secondly, it's "Cuba", not "Kuba".
Thirdly, America never took part in Bay of Pigs. That was an independent CIA operation, and the only combatants were Cubans. No Americans died during Bay of Pigs.
Fourth, they're called "Depth Charges", not "Waterbombs".
Fifth, there is no such thing as a nuclear torpedo
Sixth, that incident still wouldn't make a good game

I dont want to get banned so im beeing kind with these words. He is fucking right about the Soviet officier negating nuclear warfare by convincing them to abort the launch of "A GODDAMN NUCLEAR TORPEDO" so check your facts before you try and start a flame war. fuck!!!

 

[Floppertje]

and Karnith blames the loss of the war on that there was no political support and he repeatedly blames the democrats for refusing to fund the war... I could be wrong, I wasn't there, but it seems he doesn't like them... though maybe they deserve it, I don't know.

As for placing the whole failure on the democrats I don't know, but certainly it was the politicians and hippies who pulled the plug on the whole thing and left South Vietnam to its fate.

oh, propaganda. crap, I forgot about that. okay, it makes sense I guess... But if the war was censored... why did they let this get through?

That's just it: it wasn't censored. Oh, people certainly said it was at the time, but it really wasn't. They said that the government inflated the numbers of VC and North Vietnamese killed when after the war it was discovered that the government's statistics were actually conservative and we killed more than they said we did.

In addition, in World War II there was censorship. There were things the government wouldn't allow to be shown the American public. No such thing existed in the Vietnam War, so when Americans were exposed to the ugliness of war for the first time their naive little minds snapped and sent them running to the peace table.


We were not losing the war. We were, in fact, winning it but the hippies and pacifists at home didn't think so and put enormous pressure on the government to pull out. And we did. Not only that, but we even cut funding to South Vietnam and their supply of weapons and ammo dried up.

North Vietnam, by contrast, was under no such pressure and received ample support from the Soviet Union and China all throughout.

South Vietnam felt betrayed and of course we know how it ends.

It is really a tragedy in US history, but not for the reasons that most people think it was.

there was no propaganda during vietnam?? I always thought there was loads.

teach me for using movies as basis for my historical knowledge. and for listening to my history teacher...

Considering your standpoint, it may come as a surprise to you that a lot of the propaganda (or at least, the propaganda that is easy to find today) was actually opposing the Vietnam War, especially in the cases of the Tet Offensive (which was what seemed like a concerted effort on the part of the American media to make the war even less popular than it is now) and the pictures of "Hanoi Jane" Fonda posing with Vietnamese anti-air cannons. Another little tidbit that may surprise you (and which, for some reason, never is mentioned) is that the war in Vietnam was that the war was popular until about 1968 with the country at large, and the biggest supporters of the war were young people aged 21-29. You know, the age group during the sixties and seventies that we are taught were huge skeptics of the government and ardently pacifistic. Source [http://www.jstor.org/stable/447561], and check here [http://www.jstor.org/stable/447561?seq=13] for the data on age demographics.

As to my own political bent, I don't think that it will come as a shock to anyone that I'm just a bit to the right of center. However, I also do not classify myself as a Republican due to the neo-conservatism that has been displayed by them recently (i.e. acting as the world's policeman). I do believe, however, that once we've gone into a war, we should be there to win, not act passively as during Vietnam under Johnson's administration, or sit there unable to act as during the Nixon administration. The reason that I'm critical of Democrats during this period is that they held the reins of power in the U.S. (holding both the House and the Senate during the entirety of the war, and controlling the presidency from early 1961 to early 1969).

Oh, and they already tried Vietnamese zombies in Shellshock 2: Blood Trails. It didn't work then, and I don't think it'd work now.

*jaw drops* Ok, you got me. I'm surprised. I was definitely not expecting the hippies to be in favor of the war...

I was right about you not liking democrats though, I said republican because that's opposite of democrat (at least I think so, I'm no expert on american politics)
and if nazi zombies worked in WaW, why wouldn't VC zombies work in CoD7? it'll just be the same thing with different maps and skins...

 

[Karnith]

and Karnith blames the loss of the war on that there was no political support and he repeatedly blames the democrats for refusing to fund the war... I could be wrong, I wasn't there, but it seems he doesn't like them... though maybe they deserve it, I don't know.

As for placing the whole failure on the democrats I don't know, but certainly it was the politicians and hippies who pulled the plug on the whole thing and left South Vietnam to its fate.

oh, propaganda. crap, I forgot about that. okay, it makes sense I guess... But if the war was censored... why did they let this get through?

That's just it: it wasn't censored. Oh, people certainly said it was at the time, but it really wasn't. They said that the government inflated the numbers of VC and North Vietnamese killed when after the war it was discovered that the government's statistics were actually conservative and we killed more than they said we did.

In addition, in World War II there was censorship. There were things the government wouldn't allow to be shown the American public. No such thing existed in the Vietnam War, so when Americans were exposed to the ugliness of war for the first time their naive little minds snapped and sent them running to the peace table.


We were not losing the war. We were, in fact, winning it but the hippies and pacifists at home didn't think so and put enormous pressure on the government to pull out. And we did. Not only that, but we even cut funding to South Vietnam and their supply of weapons and ammo dried up.

North Vietnam, by contrast, was under no such pressure and received ample support from the Soviet Union and China all throughout.

South Vietnam felt betrayed and of course we know how it ends.

It is really a tragedy in US history, but not for the reasons that most people think it was.

there was no propaganda during vietnam?? I always thought there was loads.

teach me for using movies as basis for my historical knowledge. and for listening to my history teacher...

Considering your standpoint, it may come as a surprise to you that a lot of the propaganda (or at least, the propaganda that is easy to find today) was actually opposing the Vietnam War, especially in the cases of the Tet Offensive (which was what seemed like a concerted effort on the part of the American media to make the war even less popular than it is now) and the pictures of "Hanoi Jane" Fonda posing with Vietnamese anti-air cannons. Another little tidbit that may surprise you (and which, for some reason, never is mentioned) is that the war in Vietnam was that the war was popular until about 1968 with the country at large, and the biggest supporters of the war were young people aged 21-29. You know, the age group during the sixties and seventies that we are taught were huge skeptics of the government and ardently pacifistic. Source [http://www.jstor.org/stable/447561], and check here [http://www.jstor.org/stable/447561?seq=13] for the data on age demographics.

As to my own political bent, I don't think that it will come as a shock to anyone that I'm just a bit to the right of center. However, I also do not classify myself as a Republican due to the neo-conservatism that has been displayed by them recently (i.e. acting as the world's policeman). I do believe, however, that once we've gone into a war, we should be there to win, not act passively as during Vietnam under Johnson's administration, or sit there unable to act as during the Nixon administration. The reason that I'm critical of Democrats during this period is that they held the reins of power in the U.S. (holding both the House and the Senate during the entirety of the war, and controlling the presidency from early 1961 to early 1969).

Oh, and they already tried Vietnamese zombies in Shellshock 2: Blood Trails. It didn't work then, and I don't think it'd work now.

*jaw drops* Ok, you got me. I'm surprised. I was definitely not expecting the hippies to be in favor of the war...

I was right about you not liking democrats though, I said republican because that's opposite of democrat (at least I think so, I'm no expert on american politics)
and if nazi zombies worked in WaW, why wouldn't VC zombies work in CoD7? it'll just be the same thing with different maps and skins...

Actually, I never knew about those numbers until last fall when I did a term paper on the Vietnam War protests in California and New York for a history class. Believe me, I was as surprised as anyone. And until 1968, hippies were also a rather small minority in the United States - until the Tet Offensive, steadfast opposition to the war usually hovered around 20-30% (with the remaining people polled taking the undecided option; I have no idea how a person can have no opinion on the topic of a war, but whatever...). It's a common myth of America during the sixties that hippies were in the majority, but the movement only gained power very late in the decade and carried over into the seventies.

And I don't blame you for not telepathically knowing that I'm conservative but not Republican. It's pretty unusual in this country. Sorry if I was a bit rude, but Cold War politics really interests me and I can take it really seriously.

As for VC zombies, I was just referencing that Shellshock 2 was a really bad game. The only objection I have to it in COD 7 is that it would be stale for me. If all you're going to do is give an old game a new paint job (especially a game in which there are already DLC maps), you might as well not make it. But, who knows, it could be great. I'll just assume that it won't be unless proven otherwise.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

I await the My Lai level with morbid interest.

Yep, that would be the equivalent of the airport level from MW2. The fall of Saigon would also be interesting.

Having spent some time in Vietnam and been to the war museum and various battle sites over there it really gives you some serious perspective on what that war would have been like. I don't think there's been a Vietnam war game that correctly captures the choking claustrophobia of the jungle, the stifling humidity and heavy rain that sent the troops troppo or the tenaciousness and resourcefulness of the VietCong. Not to mention the horrifying effects of napalm and Agent Orange.

 

[Spaghetti]

I'll be intrigued how they do this actually. Almost every other historical/modern FPS has shown the US soldiers to be god like heroes, and as we all know, in Vietnam they were not.
And it's not like fighting Nazi's or Terrorists in these other games where it's relativley easy to de-humanize the enemy. But the Vietnamese were never doing anything evil.
Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if half the levels were American and the other half were Vietnamese.

 

[Srcruls]

Right, i cant be arsed to check every post but il say this.

Your source's article was written in 2008, before MW2 even came out. This is probably written on someones blog and the site decided to run with it. Slow news day maybe.

Either way i doubt it will be vietnam. People like the cool gadgets and modern/future weapons hence why MW/MW2 sold more than any other of its WW2 games.

 

[The87Italians]

Call of Duty: Can't find Charlie

Call of Duty: Shoot randomly into bushes and hope you kill something. And oh, get killed by the tripwire log trap you're about to step on.

 

[Karnith]

Call of Duty: Can't find Charlie

Call of Duty: Shoot randomly into bushes and hope you kill something. And oh, get killed by the tripwire log trap you're about to step on.

Call of Duty: Charlie Don't Surf.

Or Call of Duty: Serve Your Country and Get Spit upon by Americans, if you're a bitter, resentful individual.

This should be the new purpose of this thread.

 

[floppylobster]

Most of the Call of Duty games are based off popular movies anyway - Enemy at the Gates, The Longest Day, Saving Private Ryan... I know these movies are based off the war but expect to see something that recreates the feeling of being in a war movie rather than being in a war.