Call Of Duty 7... VIETNAM!?!?!
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there was no propaganda during vietnam?? I always thought there was loads.ThaMahstah said:
teach me for using movies as basis for my historical knowledge. and for listening to my history teacher...
call of duty 3 wasent very bad i mean look at MW2 it isint very good at all in my own opinioun i would rather play WAW or the first MW.AndyFromMonday said:
If they innovate gameplay a little, it should be interesting. Make you a sergeant from the get-go, orders perhaps, and things like that could make it worthwhile.
Picture it: You, several GIs under your command, patrolling through a field; all of a sudden, mortar and machine fire from a treeline; little cover; you call in a strike, organize your troops; wait a couple; helicopters come in and blow hell out of the trees. You fly a copter at some point. Defending a hill at Khe Sahn from a concerted attack. A PBR ala Apocalypse Now. Tet Offensive, perhaps the US Embassy attack.
Make it sort of like United Offensive where you change characters every couple missions, and you can make an effective game.
Picture it: You, several GIs under your command, patrolling through a field; all of a sudden, mortar and machine fire from a treeline; little cover; you call in a strike, organize your troops; wait a couple; helicopters come in and blow hell out of the trees. You fly a copter at some point. Defending a hill at Khe Sahn from a concerted attack. A PBR ala Apocalypse Now. Tet Offensive, perhaps the US Embassy attack.
Make it sort of like United Offensive where you change characters every couple missions, and you can make an effective game.
I'll think I'd pass on that because I hate Call of Duty and Activision (My principles intervene basically).
Personally, I don't see the problem with a company making more of something I love and play endlessly, even if there isn't much innovation. By the time WaW came out I'd had enough of COD:MW and welcomed the new maps and new guns (which were a bit more balanced... a bit).
But what bothers me is why don't they just give us what we want? MORE ZOMBIES! You can make comparisons to L4D, but WaW Zombies was made as a FPS tower defense game, it plays like a FPS tower defense game and it was great. It was original, they kept it fresh with every map. I even enjoyed the cheesy characters and bits of plot. Where L4D kept you vulnerable and fleeing for your life WAW:Z made you feel like that high-powered killing machine, but your death was inevitable. Having a non-linear FPS that isn't just the long corridor that all single player games kind of have to be was wonderful. The feeling of the arcade, that it wasn't about winning, but about getting the high score and putting another quarter in was great. I loved L4D and WaW both, but definitely logged more hours on WaW.
There isn't really much of a demand for a Vietnam game... but there is still a strong demand for a game based around the Z-Day Wars.
However... I know they won't go this angle, but I would love a game that put you in the shoes of the VC. Now there is an ideal FPS character. You're outnumbered, out gunned, stealthing, sniping, and single handedly winning a war with the odds against you. I do not mean any disrespect to those who served, my father among them, but a VC FPS kind of writes itself. It would be awesome if the narrative bounced between the sides. One chapter playing the VC as you deal with air strikes and fight through freshly defoliated jungle. The next chapter you call in air strikes and fight off an ambush.
Unfortunately we'll probably get the same-old. An American grunt and a British special-ops. Running in a line with bad guys infinitely spawning. I'll still play it and I'll still love the new levels, even if they will be more of the same. But still... ZOMBIES! GIVE US MORE ZOMBIES! Modern Zombies. Nazi Zombies. VC Zombies. Zombies in Grenada. Zombies in Israel. Zombies in Iran. Zombies in Afghanistan (every major country has been there at some point). Korean Zombies. I want to shoot the hoards with M16s and Aks, I want to drop napalm on them. I want to rape them with double 1887's and wreck them with an LSW. I want to call in an AC-130 on a hoard and set up a Sentry gun. I want chainsaws and riot shields. I want to build anti-zombie loadouts, or just jump in with a knife.
Treyarch, you had a great idea that set your game apart from every other FPS. Build on it and we will come.
But what bothers me is why don't they just give us what we want? MORE ZOMBIES! You can make comparisons to L4D, but WaW Zombies was made as a FPS tower defense game, it plays like a FPS tower defense game and it was great. It was original, they kept it fresh with every map. I even enjoyed the cheesy characters and bits of plot. Where L4D kept you vulnerable and fleeing for your life WAW:Z made you feel like that high-powered killing machine, but your death was inevitable. Having a non-linear FPS that isn't just the long corridor that all single player games kind of have to be was wonderful. The feeling of the arcade, that it wasn't about winning, but about getting the high score and putting another quarter in was great. I loved L4D and WaW both, but definitely logged more hours on WaW.
There isn't really much of a demand for a Vietnam game... but there is still a strong demand for a game based around the Z-Day Wars.
However... I know they won't go this angle, but I would love a game that put you in the shoes of the VC. Now there is an ideal FPS character. You're outnumbered, out gunned, stealthing, sniping, and single handedly winning a war with the odds against you. I do not mean any disrespect to those who served, my father among them, but a VC FPS kind of writes itself. It would be awesome if the narrative bounced between the sides. One chapter playing the VC as you deal with air strikes and fight through freshly defoliated jungle. The next chapter you call in air strikes and fight off an ambush.
Unfortunately we'll probably get the same-old. An American grunt and a British special-ops. Running in a line with bad guys infinitely spawning. I'll still play it and I'll still love the new levels, even if they will be more of the same. But still... ZOMBIES! GIVE US MORE ZOMBIES! Modern Zombies. Nazi Zombies. VC Zombies. Zombies in Grenada. Zombies in Israel. Zombies in Iran. Zombies in Afghanistan (every major country has been there at some point). Korean Zombies. I want to shoot the hoards with M16s and Aks, I want to drop napalm on them. I want to rape them with double 1887's and wreck them with an LSW. I want to call in an AC-130 on a hoard and set up a Sentry gun. I want chainsaws and riot shields. I want to build anti-zombie loadouts, or just jump in with a knife.
Treyarch, you had a great idea that set your game apart from every other FPS. Build on it and we will come.
Considering your standpoint, it may come as a surprise to you that a lot of the propaganda (or at least, the propaganda that is easy to find today) was actually opposing the Vietnam War, especially in the cases of the Tet Offensive (which was what seemed like a concerted effort on the part of the American media to make the war even less popular than it is now) and the pictures of "Hanoi Jane" Fonda posing with Vietnamese anti-air cannons. Another little tidbit that may surprise you (and which, for some reason, never is mentioned) is that the war in Vietnam was that the war was popular until about 1968 with the country at large, and the biggest supporters of the war were young people aged 21-29. You know, the age group during the sixties and seventies that we are taught were huge skeptics of the government and ardently pacifistic. Source [http://www.jstor.org/stable/447561], and check here [http://www.jstor.org/stable/447561?seq=13] for the data on age demographics.Floppertje said:
As to my own political bent, I don't think that it will come as a shock to anyone that I'm just a bit to the right of center. However, I also do not classify myself as a Republican due to the neo-conservatism that has been displayed by them recently (i.e. acting as the world's policeman). I do believe, however, that once we've gone into a war, we should be there to win, not act passively as during Vietnam under Johnson's administration, or sit there unable to act as during the Nixon administration. The reason that I'm critical of Democrats during this period is that they held the reins of power in the U.S. (holding both the House and the Senate during the entirety of the war, and controlling the presidency from early 1961 to early 1969).
Oh, and they already tried Vietnamese zombies in Shellshock 2: Blood Trails. It didn't work then, and I don't think it'd work now.
There have been good 'nam games. There was one I played a long time ago I think it was called vietcong or something. I don't know I was like 5 at the time and all that I remember of it is it was fun the bushes where 2d and I learned the very important lesson "When a man comes screaming at you with a bomb on there chest shoot them. a lot." damn now i'll have to look that game up and give it another go. in short though it would be cool and i hope the soundtracks good. lets hope for some Jimi.
Edit:
The game was called NAM.
Also I believe all the talk about no good nam game is wrong. However there has never been a good revolutionary/civil/any other war with guns before WW2 war game.
Edit:
The game was called NAM.
Also I believe all the talk about no good nam game is wrong. However there has never been a good revolutionary/civil/any other war with guns before WW2 war game.
