Call Of Duty 7... VIETNAM!?!?!
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It might sound stupid, but ever since COD 3 I've always wondered why the hell they've never done a Vietnam war game.
Then of course that Battlefield game came out... erm, god knows how long ago. But I never played it. So, hell, why not? Updated graphics, better gameplay and another reason to put Kings of Leon's discography on repeat whilst I fail at online play.
Then of course that Battlefield game came out... erm, god knows how long ago. But I never played it. So, hell, why not? Updated graphics, better gameplay and another reason to put Kings of Leon's discography on repeat whilst I fail at online play.
I would love for this to come out. Because it wont be just some game where "America" loses, it will be some game where EVERYONE loses.
All of the soldiers wishing they were somewhere else, patrols where one of the soldiers fall into a pungi stick trap, and you have to help him out while Vietcong emerge and draw fire on your squad. A game that will depress the ever living shit out of you, a game depicting things that actually happened.
And for good measure, if your fictional (or non fictional) character comes back to America, all of the American people throw shit at you and call you names just because of what some other company did (See My Lai).
THEN as an added bonus! During the credits, you play as a homeless vietnam veteran, YEAH that'll nip it all in the bud.
All of the soldiers wishing they were somewhere else, patrols where one of the soldiers fall into a pungi stick trap, and you have to help him out while Vietcong emerge and draw fire on your squad. A game that will depress the ever living shit out of you, a game depicting things that actually happened.
And for good measure, if your fictional (or non fictional) character comes back to America, all of the American people throw shit at you and call you names just because of what some other company did (See My Lai).
THEN as an added bonus! During the credits, you play as a homeless vietnam veteran, YEAH that'll nip it all in the bud.
I don't think they'll do it. They'll probably show other horrible stuff, but I think my lai is just too much. someone shooting a baby 3 times and people standing around laughing? there's no WAY they'll get away with that so I don't think they'll even try it.Furburt said:
edit: but you're right when you say people should know and it shouldn't happen again. but it will cause there's still sicko's in the world.
I think it would be good for the majority of Americans to realize their military isn't some sort of benevolent paladin cleansing the land of evil and corruption. So I hope they do it, I really do. I've asked many Americans if they know what My Lai is and none of them have a damn clue it happened, THAT'S what sickens me.Furburt said:
What's with everybody claiming this is gonna be some kind of zeitgeist? This is a CoD game not Duke Nukem of course they aren't making it completely realistic cause that would suck ass but at least it should be historically accurate.
It also might do some good for the rest of the world to realize we're not as bad as you think we are. Of course, we don't go out of our way to learn every shameful instance of other militaries' pasts so we may then throw it in their faces. I have learned about it in school but the purpose wasn't to make me feel guilty or accountable it was to not let transgressions like it ever happen again.AC10 said:
All right, in order (I suppose):brucelee13245 said:It all depends on how you look at things. Militarily speaking, the NVA and the Vietcong suffered FAR more casualties than the Americans did. Yes it was hard for American troops to dislodge any north Vietnamese resistance due the guerrilla tactics and the MASSIVE underground networks of tunnels used to transport personal, weapons and supplies from north Vietnam into south Vietnam. But I personally do believe that many reasons leading to American withdrawal from Vietnam are political. All perspective.Kathinka said:a common variant of the "dagger thrust legend" originally invented by the germans to make it appear the "victorious" forces in the field of world war one only lost because they were betrayed by the peaceloving dirty communists back home. the u.s. got defeated decisively by a bunch of ricefarmers with half a century old equipment, on a military level. of course the opposition to the war helped, but still, the vietnamese dominated the military side.Karnith said:Where did you get your history lesson? The My Lai massacre ended up with between three and five hundred dead Vietnamese citizens, none of whom were actual combatants.Floppertje said:yeah we do, america got it's ass kicked... where did you get history lessons?Kathinka said:would suck to get autoteambalanced in the vietnamese team though...fighting off bloodthirsty amiercans with assault rifles with nothing but your evil looks...we all know how it endedFurburt said:
And, also for the record, the U.S. didn't get "it's [sic] ass kicked" in the war; a huge domestic opposition to the war caused American support to dry up and forced the military to withdraw. Under President Nixon's plans, the South Vietnamese people had a fair shot at lasting long enough to get their own, independent army up and running. But Democrats in Congress blocked all military aid to the South Vietnamese, and the Viet Cong inevitably captured Saigon.
I'm not entirely sure (this being directed at Kathinka) what you're talking about when you mention the U.S. being decisively defeated by the Viet Cong, especially since the most famous and well known of all Viet Cong campaigns, the Tet Offensive, was actually an enormous (military) success for the United States, only to be played as a defeat by the media, which led to an abandonment of the cause in Vietnam. Next, while the Americans were most definitely better equipped than the Viet Cong (faulty design of the M16a1 not included), the story of a Viet Cong army being comprised solely of Vietnamese citizens using old equipment is also misleading. The Viet Cong (as well as the NVA) were being aided by both the Soviets and Communist China in their fight, and had access to numerous modern weapons (interestingly, I have heard anecdotes of Viet Cong soldiers refusing to take American guns because they had better weapons). And, lastly, the United States could have probably gotten to a Korea-esque compromise had not the Democrats in America refused to support/authorize funds for attacks (especially air strikes and bombings) on Northern Vietnamese targets early in the war - President Johnson could have won the war had he chosen to initiate targeted strikes early in the campaign and pushed north to Hanoi.
Sorry for misunderstanding your sarcasm, by the by. These things are difficult to convey on the Internet.
Oh, and for the record, I need to echo this:
JWAN said:
We'd have to play as South Vietnamese then, as the US military had pulled out of Vietnam long before the fall of Saigon.tomany2 said:
That's not quite true. While actual ground campaigns had stopped by then, there were American troops at the embassy in Saigon, and Operation Frequent Wind [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frequent_Wind]. But I'm not sure that they really did a whole lot of fighting.ThaMahstah said:
At risk of derailing the topic, I'll just say this, and President Nixon actually said it best: "No event in American history is more misunderstood than the Vietnam War. It was misreported then, and it is misremembered now. Rarely have so many people been so wrong about so much. Never have the consequences of their misunderstanding been so tragic."
The most damning thing of all is the myth that America lost/was losing the war.
The Tet Offensive was what finally broke America's morale. Ironically, this is the equivalent of Americans saying that the Battle of Bulge meant that Germany couldn't be defeated.
The most damning thing of all is the myth that America lost/was losing the war.
The Tet Offensive was what finally broke America's morale. Ironically, this is the equivalent of Americans saying that the Battle of Bulge meant that Germany couldn't be defeated.
Either way, CoD retelling of Vietnam war could work, Lord knows it's a long time coming. Loved WW2, but it's over played so much. For shits and giggles they should do a WWI game, would love to play The Battle of Verdun, Gallipoli, or the Battle of Tanga. That should be really interesting.