I agree on the stealth part very much, from both perspectives.ayahtzeefan said:
Yep, sounds about right.Kathinka said:well they need a boogyman to enshure the whole world will dance to their music and they have excuses to topple gonvernements, dictators and democraticly elected alike. today it's the fairytale of the international evil super-terrorist organisation that spans the whole globe and wants to kill us all, back in the day it were the dirty commiesEggsnham said:
You know, oddly enough I'd have to agree. Very entertaining, even if it's just one huge cutscene. Though it'd be far more interesting to do it yourself than watch a cinematic of it while you wait to push buttons.Furburt said:
Screw Soap, Captain Price hasnt missed a game yetLord Thodin said:
The Korean war would be good, since it was fairly balanced. The NATO forces inital steamrolling of North Korea, followed by Chinas Steamrolling fo everything, followed by the back and forths that followed.CloggedDonkey said:
It all depends on how you look at things. Militarily speaking, the NVA and the Vietcong suffered FAR more casualties than the Americans did. Yes it was hard for American troops to dislodge any north Vietnamese resistance due the guerrilla tactics and the MASSIVE underground networks of tunnels used to transport personal, weapons and supplies from north Vietnam into south Vietnam. But I personally do believe that many reasons leading to American withdrawal from Vietnam are political. All perspective.Kathinka said:a common variant of the "dagger thrust legend" originally invented by the germans to make it appear the "victorious" forces in the field of world war one only lost because they were betrayed by the peaceloving dirty communists back home. the u.s. got defeated decisively by a bunch of ricefarmers with half a century old equipment, on a military level. of course the opposition to the war helped, but still, the vietnamese dominated the military side.Karnith said:Where did you get your history lesson? The My Lai massacre ended up with between three and five hundred dead Vietnamese citizens, none of whom were actual combatants.Floppertje said:yeah we do, america got it's ass kicked... where did you get history lessons?Kathinka said:would suck to get autoteambalanced in the vietnamese team though...fighting off bloodthirsty amiercans with assault rifles with nothing but your evil looks...we all know how it endedFurburt said:
And, also for the record, the U.S. didn't get "it's [sic] ass kicked" in the war; a huge domestic opposition to the war caused American support to dry up and forced the military to withdraw. Under President Nixon's plans, the South Vietnamese people had a fair shot at lasting long enough to get their own, independent army up and running. But Democrats in Congress blocked all military aid to the South Vietnamese, and the Viet Cong inevitably captured Saigon.
yes, the vietnamese suffered far more casualties than the Americans, but there were more vietnamese around to die than there were americans too. remember WW2? on the axis side, 12 million dead. on the allied side... 61 million!!!! but they still won.brucelee13245 said:It all depends on how you look at things. Militarily speaking, the NVA and the Vietcong suffered FAR more casualties than the Americans did. Yes it was hard for American troops to dislodge any north Vietnamese resistance due the guerrilla tactics and the MASSIVE underground networks of tunnels used to transport personal, weapons and supplies from north Vietnam into south Vietnam. But I personally do believe that many reasons leading to American withdrawal from Vietnam are political. All perspective.Kathinka said:a common variant of the "dagger thrust legend" originally invented by the germans to make it appear the "victorious" forces in the field of world war one only lost because they were betrayed by the peaceloving dirty communists back home. the u.s. got defeated decisively by a bunch of ricefarmers with half a century old equipment, on a military level. of course the opposition to the war helped, but still, the vietnamese dominated the military side.Karnith said:Where did you get your history lesson? The My Lai massacre ended up with between three and five hundred dead Vietnamese citizens, none of whom were actual combatants.Floppertje said:yeah we do, america got it's ass kicked... where did you get history lessons?Kathinka said:would suck to get autoteambalanced in the vietnamese team though...fighting off bloodthirsty amiercans with assault rifles with nothing but your evil looks...we all know how it endedFurburt said:
And, also for the record, the U.S. didn't get "it's [sic] ass kicked" in the war; a huge domestic opposition to the war caused American support to dry up and forced the military to withdraw. Under President Nixon's plans, the South Vietnamese people had a fair shot at lasting long enough to get their own, independent army up and running. But Democrats in Congress blocked all military aid to the South Vietnamese, and the Viet Cong inevitably captured Saigon.
'He fired at it [the baby] with a .45. He missed. We all laughed. He got up three or four feet closer and missed again. We laughed. Then he got up right on top and plugged him.'Furburt said:
