Can killing be justified?

[Jaranja]

Killing is never justified.

Especially when we're talking capital punishment, because what if with new evidence the poor sod that's already pushin' up daisies turns out to be innocent? Seriously, that would suck ass big time.

So if someone's just about to slit your throat, you wouldn't kill them?

That would be with the intent to save myself, not with the intent to murder him.

Oh, my mistake. I thought you said "Killing is never justified".

Oi, I didn't say it was justified. It's just different then cold-blooded murder.

But it is justified, they were going to kill you .

 

[Ekonk]

Killing is never justified.

Especially when we're talking capital punishment, because what if with new evidence the poor sod that's already pushin' up daisies turns out to be innocent? Seriously, that would suck ass big time.

So if someone's just about to slit your throat, you wouldn't kill them?

That would be with the intent to save myself, not with the intent to murder him.

Oh, my mistake. I thought you said "Killing is never justified".

Oi, I didn't say it was justified. It's just different then cold-blooded murder.

But it is justified, they were going to kill you .

It's justified a little in some way, perhaps, but there's still someone dead and that is never completely justifiable. (spelling?)

 

[Entropyutd]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

It is not as clear cut as that, personally, no, but then again I would, if given the chance blink a lot of people out of existence.

First of all there is the religious argument, if you do believe in the 10 commandments, then no matter how you look at it, Killing is wrong, and if you are of that conviction then the question becomes, your soul or Hitlers death.

Secondly, there is the butterfly effect.
Sure killing Hiltler during his failed art student phase seems like a gimmie, but then again without the Nazis how do you know that Stalin would not have sent a red tide of equally horrednous proportions across Europe/The world.

No Hitler would mean no influx of German scientists to the US, No space program, that alone would probably set the USA back 40 years.




Back on Topic


If you can be 100% sure of guilt, then I would vote to execute all rapists, pedophiles and murderers.
I think manslaughter is a different thing.

But again I want to specify 100% sure has to be irrevocable evidence, not a "crazy man" confession. I think you need to be completely sure.

 

[ICanBreakTheseCuffs]

Yes, they said it in Red Dead Redemption

 

[Jaranja]

Killing is never justified.

Especially when we're talking capital punishment, because what if with new evidence the poor sod that's already pushin' up daisies turns out to be innocent? Seriously, that would suck ass big time.

So if someone's just about to slit your throat, you wouldn't kill them?

That would be with the intent to save myself, not with the intent to murder him.

Oh, my mistake. I thought you said "Killing is never justified".

Oi, I didn't say it was justified. It's just different then cold-blooded murder.

But it is justified, they were going to kill you .

It's justified a little in some way, perhaps, but there's still someone dead and that is never completely justifiable. (spelling?)

I completely disagree because whether something is justifiable or not is, in itself, subjective. I mean, I personally think that a murderer (someone that goes out with the intent to murder someone for a trivial reason) should be killed.

 

[Ekonk]

Killing is never justified.

Especially when we're talking capital punishment, because what if with new evidence the poor sod that's already pushin' up daisies turns out to be innocent? Seriously, that would suck ass big time.

So if someone's just about to slit your throat, you wouldn't kill them?

That would be with the intent to save myself, not with the intent to murder him.

Oh, my mistake. I thought you said "Killing is never justified".

Oi, I didn't say it was justified. It's just different then cold-blooded murder.

But it is justified, they were going to kill you .

It's justified a little in some way, perhaps, but there's still someone dead and that is never completely justifiable. (spelling?)

I completely disagree because whether something is justifiable or not is, in itself, subjective. I mean, I personally think that a murderer (someone that goes out with the intent to murder someone for a trivial reason) should be killed.

Yeah, but that makes the killer a murderer as well, doesn't it? And I can think of numerous cases in my country where capital punishment would have led to ginormous outrage over people who got killed over something they didn't do. Seriously, no matter what your moral views on the rights of murderers are, the risk that someone gets put to death for something they didn't do is just to big.

 

[ElTigreSantiago]

If we ever get to the point where we can prove WITHOUT A DOUBT someone's crimes, then yeah go ahead and execute the bastard. But until then, what if an innocent man is convicted and executed?

 

[Jaranja]

Killing is never justified.

Especially when we're talking capital punishment, because what if with new evidence the poor sod that's already pushin' up daisies turns out to be innocent? Seriously, that would suck ass big time.

So if someone's just about to slit your throat, you wouldn't kill them?

That would be with the intent to save myself, not with the intent to murder him.

Oh, my mistake. I thought you said "Killing is never justified".

Oi, I didn't say it was justified. It's just different then cold-blooded murder.

But it is justified, they were going to kill you .

It's justified a little in some way, perhaps, but there's still someone dead and that is never completely justifiable. (spelling?)

I completely disagree because whether something is justifiable or not is, in itself, subjective. I mean, I personally think that a murderer (someone that goes out with the intent to murder someone for a trivial reason) should be killed.

Yeah, but that makes the killer a murderer as well, doesn't it? And I can think of numerous cases in my country where capital punishment would have led to ginormous outrage over people who got killed over something they didn't do. Seriously, no matter what your moral views on the rights of murderers are, the risk that someone gets put to death for something they didn't do is just to big.

Fair enough. I guess that's a risk. The killer of the murderer is not a murderer, in my eyes, he's doing what's right.

 

[SlowShootinPete]

It depends. Legally, killing is only justifiable when you or another person is in immediate danger of death or serious physical harm. And that's a pretty good law, to be honest. In any other case, it's better to run away (if you're being attacked) or subdue/arrest the person who initiated violence.

Relevant article: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/violence_scale.htm

 

[Blueruler182]

Justice isn't a general term, the law is a form of justice, but an individual will experience a different form of wrong that may make them act. Is killing an acceptable form of action? No. I've always been a "rise above it, be better" point of view, though. Is killing justified? People justify it all the time, doesn't make it right. I believe in the "eye for an eye" form of justice, even if it doesn't work, which basically means I believe in the death penalty as the only form of acceptable killing.

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Who is "they", exactly?

people more important than you

Could you be more specific?

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Who is "they", exactly?

The Allies.

 

[etherlance]

completly depends upon the circumstances in which it was done:

killing a person in self defense = ok

in a war scenario another soldier tryin to kill you = ok

killing a person because they looked at you funny = perfectly fine......no wait scratch that one

 

[goldenjester]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

It is not as clear cut as that, personally, no, but then again I would, if given the chance blink a lot of people out of existence.

First of all there is the religious argument, if you do believe in the 10 commandments, then no matter how you look at it, Killing is wrong, and if you are of that conviction then the question becomes, your soul or Hitlers death.

Actually, to clarify, the original word in the Bible, before being translated to English, more accurately means "to kill in cold blood." There is absolutely no Biblical punishment for a self-defense or protection killing. For example, guy robs a bank and is ready to stab/shoot teller, you attack him and he dies, that's fine-it was done to preserve an innocent life against one who has de-valued their own life.

 

[JanatUrlich]

I think if someone was trying to kill me I'd be justified in killing them. But not in any other circumstance, no.

 

[spartan231490]

Killing can be justified. Self-defense, punishment, ect. Murder cannot in my opinion, even if you believe that a person will turn into another hitler, i dont believe that it is right to kill someone in cold blood.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Death is quick, painless and efficient. It is too merciful for some people, but should be the worst we inflict so that we ourselves don't become monsters.

So, yeah, I support killing of rapists and murderers.

 

[jamesworkshop]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Not exactly Hitler died cos he lost the war stalin lived because he won the war.

plus hitler kinda killed himself

allies should have taken out stalin during ww2

Stalin was part of the allied forces,

Churchill wanted to after the fall of Berlin but nobody else really liked the idea and britian voted him out after the war