Can killing be justified?

[Socius]

Mao wasn't a douche. Bad things happened under his rule, but he punished the ones who abused their power. he was a good man, with a little lack of controll over his subjects.

He let between 20-40 million people die and cause massive economic damage. People are still starving today as a result so you think he wasn't?

You wish to blame a single man for an economic prototype that failed? Yes, the consiquences of mistakes in the plan economy is horrible, still what the world learned from this may, and Will be used in the future. Whenever you like it or not for our planet and race to survive we need a social demokratic world wide rule. In the end Communism is the only thing that will work, and we will on that day look back with honour and grief to those whom lost their lives in failed atempts in what will eventually become the source of world peace. and my answer is still, Mao was no Douche. Just not as good a planer as he should have been for his position.

 

[blarg363]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

Yes, And befor everyone proseeds to rip me apart let me put it like this, If i were a soldier back then, Then yes, It would be my duty as a soldier to eliminate the crazy bastard

But, If given the chance to go back and kill him before he brought one of the most "in bad taste" joke's ever wouldn't, After all what's to say that he didn't kill someone would have done something even worse, it would change the whole world as we know it

Well anyway thats how i see it (please be gentle >_<)

OT: If i had my way prisons WOULD NOT be over crowded, i'd focus on gang's by putting special forces on the streets acting as splinter cells,

Putting these gang banging thugs behind bars only lets them lern more about avoiding officers, How to be more efficient in the making and selling of drugs and narcotics and acuire recording contracts,

So in short, I have little to know problem with killing the scum of are society

 

[SonicKoala]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Who is "they", exactly?

people more important than you

That was a pretty stupid response.

 

[SonicKoala]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Who is "they", exactly?

The Allies.

Of course they let him live - it was largely because of Russia that Hitler was defeated in the first place. But seriously, it's not as if killing him would have been easy.

 

[Dapsen]

Well, I'd say that you can justify it in your own mind, with a hateful line of thought.
But everyone else will still see the logic in punishing you.

No killing is never right. One should instead take the little sinner, tear down his defences, and leave him helpless. Then help him find the right path.

Except nobody has the time and/or power to do so, so we just kill the git.
Now isn't that just wonderful everybody?

 

[Zero47]

I think that if someone plans and commits murder he deserves to die, an eye for an eye. What made us step away from that philosophy anyway? "lowering ourselves to their standards"? Does a low act not deserve the payment of an equally low act? I can only imagine it was some kind of elitist douchebag that thought of this concept first, "No Frank. Spare him, do not lower yourself to his level" he would say, as his brother just had his daughter raped and killed by a savage criminal, ofcourse this new motto would easily be repeated by every other man in town that didn't know the pain of loss. It's not even about retribution for me, disposing of the murderer removes a threat from society and I feel on a principal level that a murderer does not deserve to live. Aren't we denying the worth of a life if a murderer can get out of prison in 15 years?

 

[jamesworkshop]

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Not exactly Hitler died cos he lost the war stalin lived because he won the war.

plus hitler kinda killed himself

allies should have taken out stalin during ww2

Stalin was part of the allied forces,

Churchill wanted to after the fall of Berlin but nobody else really liked the idea and britian voted him out after the war

stalin was part of the allies after hitler attacked him. the allies should have attacked stalin too

So instead of fighting Germany, Italy and Japan with the soviet union as back up the allies should have fought Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia

That doesn't sound like a smart idea considering how crucial Russia was in defeating Germany and liberating the first concentration camps.

 

[Blueruler182]

Justice isn't a general term, the law is a form of justice, but an individual will experience a different form of wrong that may make them act. Is killing an acceptable form of action? No. I've always been a "rise above it, be better" point of view, though. Is killing justified? People justify it all the time, doesn't make it right. I believe in the "eye for an eye" form of justice, even if it doesn't work, which basically means I believe in the death penalty as the only form of acceptable killing.

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Who is "they", exactly?

people more important than you

Could you be more specific?

the allies during ww2

Still not very specific.

 

[Safe in the Dark]

Well personally my view is if you kill an innocent you've just forfeited your own life and should be killed,Rapists and other scum too,why let them get 3 squares a day and a bed when some law abiding people don't even have that much?Like I said earlier Goverment bullshit makes my head spin and bureucrats make me sick,Some people just don't deserve life.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

The excellent thing about morality is that it is not at all absolute. With that in mind, I would argue that you would have to try very, very hard to argue that killing is not justified given just how regularly it is done from the personal personal(one individual murders another) or bueracratically (lots of deals lead directly to the death of someone), or politically (wars produce a LOT of bodies) or even in the pursuit of justice (One group murders an individual, often as punishment for a previous murder).

It's easy to justify muder to yourself I'd say. I'd say pacifism would be the hard point to argue.

 

[Plazmatic]

I'm not the best at moral conundrums....but if say you know who a serial killer or similar criminal is,is it wrong to bring him to the justice he deserves?Can you justify it?If not what makes it wrong?Is it right to let muderers live while their victims die?Like I said I'm morally grey,What do you all believe?

No, not even Hitler, well actually there is one way I'd let killing another human being slide, its if they wanted to die, and not some moody little prick who needs to get off their period, I'm talking about old people who don't think they should live anymore, since they are totally disabled and stuck in a hospital not able to enjoy the world and with no hope of getting out of their current state. I think its acceptable in this instant, as long as the person in question of dying wants to die.

 

[bobknowsall]

I'm not the best at moral conundrums....but if say you know who a serial killer or similar criminal is,is it wrong to bring him to the justice he deserves?Can you justify it?If not what makes it wrong?Is it right to let muderers live while their victims die?Like I said I'm morally grey,What do you all believe?

I'd feel that you're stooping to the murderer's level by killing him. Imprisoning him indefinitely seems a more fitting punishment.

Killing's only really justified when you're defending yourself or those who are weaker than you. In other circumstances, it's just wrong.

 

[Lullabye]

Well personally my view is if you kill an innocent you've just forfeited your own life and should be killed,Rapists and other scum too,why let them get 3 squares a day and a bed when some law abiding people don't even have that much?Like I said earlier Goverment bullshit makes my head spin and bureucrats make me sick,Some people just don't deserve life.

eh, people who do bad things to other people will always be around. Sure, some are more extreme than others, but they're still human.
I mean, really there is nothing stopping us from doing what we want, except physical restrictions and our own mental ones.
The way I see it, if you are going to kill, rape, etc(basically anything thats known to cause huge emotional reactions in people) you had better be prepared to accept the consequences. I think people who truly hinder our society should be 'dealt' with. But hen we get into what qualifies as "hinder" and blah blah blah.
Honestly, people should just try and not be dicks to each other.

 

[zHellas]

"Can killing be justified?"

...Of course it can.

 

[Blueruler182]

Justice isn't a general term, the law is a form of justice, but an individual will experience a different form of wrong that may make them act. Is killing an acceptable form of action? No. I've always been a "rise above it, be better" point of view, though. Is killing justified? People justify it all the time, doesn't make it right. I believe in the "eye for an eye" form of justice, even if it doesn't work, which basically means I believe in the death penalty as the only form of acceptable killing.

Would you let Hitler live? Exactly

they let stalin live

Who is "they", exactly?

people more important than you

Could you be more specific?

the allies during ww2

Still not very specific.

i have an idea. you obv care about this a lot more so you figure it out

Well that's just rude. I was simply making a joke about there being a lot more important people than that guy. You didn't need to be rude.