Censorship is REAL and ADVANCING
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1, he called me a bastardArcticflame said:
b, so what? you think that because an illegal website is censored, other legitimate websites are in danger? what logic is that based on?
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IT IS INNAPROPRIATE!!! try advertising stolen goods in your local newspaper and see what happens.s0denone said:
I don't know too much about how checks and balances factor in that government, but illegality is illegality. I just think it's a little sensationalistic to assume that Denmark are just going censor everything now that one illegal, market-damaging site has been taken off.Arcticflame said:
Thepiratebay.org IS NOT an illegal website, for gods sake: That's the root of the problem.jim_doki said:
I'm not complaining if the government is banning child pornography. I am complaining when the government DECIDES that something is not SUITABLE for ME to view.
Do you really want me to answer that?jim_doki said:
The government sure as hell don't ban the newspaper like they are banning websites.
They would find the SINGLE person advertising; like they should be searching for the "ringleaders" of piracy if they really want to get rid of it.
Hand his ass back and hang your head in shame.jim_doki said:
The pirate bay has pointed out, and will continue to point out, that they do not endorse people downloading copyrighted material that they do not have the license too. There are a LOT of legal things, such as movie trailers, game trailers, game demos and various projects that use torrents and sites like the piratebay.org as a method of distributing their material. By your logic it's fine if we fuck over the little people and remove their marketing tool, because some rich guys have decided they are losing money. Does this sound fair? It's like you being banned from spruiking on a street corner, and it is most definately not ok.
Surely then we should go all the way and ban the entire internet, as what you are proposing is we assrape all the filehosting services, companys/devs who develop third party mods and fixes for games and software, freeware programs and evey other form of indie development. You might be against piracy, but the people who will suffer because of your ignorance are not the pirates. Censorship is rarely a good thing, and in this case it will hurt honest peoples income.
It's called THE PIRATE BAY!!!! a BAY for PIRATES!!!! just because they have a disclaimer doesn't mean that they aren't encouraging. If they got rid of everything copyrighted, or showed me a document or a process saying they had the legal right to distribute what they had, then maybe i could believe them.Dys said:
How about I make my point clear.jim_doki said:
Say if I go onto the pirate bay with every policeman in australia behind me, and all the judges and lawyers too.
I'm not breaking the law. I can refresh the page a million times and I'm still hundred percent fine.
Now I download a torrent.
Well now I am in a legal grey area.
Download the game illegally.
Well now im totally in the red.
The accessing the website isn't illegal, the act of downloading the torrent is.
Denmark has removed the initial stage, effectively stopping a non-illegal action. To use a metaphor, Instead of legal action against people taking drugs and selling drugs, they have made it illegal to talk to the drug dealer, no matter the context. Which is entirely wrong, and very totalatarian.
With a precedent now behind them (assuming no public outcry or legal case) they can spread their wings to things such as gagging websites abusing the government as they consider them "linked with terrorism". Or perhaps anything which abused the royals is censored.
Perhaps things which are considered wrong by the conservatives in denmark, like certain pornography, or perhaps censoring the entire youtube because it has some illegal content, despite the fact youtube itself censors its material.
Do you see now how it could get very nasty? Already in australia there is a possibility that MSN might be broken and Legal P2P or Direct connecting between computers (e.g. Hamachi) could be destroyed due to the attempt at censorship.
actually you should go hang your head in shame, for a few reasonsDys said:
1. the piratebay is ALL about piracy, sure you can find some legal torrents on their but they are rather rare to find
2. legal torrents can be legally downloaded from other sites besides the piratebay, such as the company/developer's website
3. those developing third party mods have legal permission to do so and have nothing to do with pirates
4. indie developers having MANY forms of distribution besides the piratebay to earn money as they don't get money from the piratebay as their only goal is to give stuff away for free
5. other legal torrent sites have nothing in common with the piratebay besides the fact they use bittorrent
Consider this: Torrents don't necessarily hurt anyone. Child pornography does. Child porn humiliates and scars a young child for the rest of their life, and their family are going to be distraught as hell over it. Torrents just mean you can get music, games and movies without throwing money at a bunch of mega corporations.jim_doki said:
Yes, it is undeniably questionably legal, but is a world where the public, normal person forced to throw money at the higher class in order to enjoy basic things in life a world you want to live in? How is that any different from the dark ages where only the rich enjoyed life and the peasantry wallowed in misery? I don't see why I should have to work for 40 hours a week to afford a bunch of new albums, when I can get them for free and the people I'm giving the money to don't even need it. Why should someone have to put in that much effort just to contribute money to a rock band or celebrity so they can afford their new jet a few months earlier?
If someone needs or deserves the money, I'm all for it. I know for a fact I'd throw money at companies like Valve or Relic, because they put effort into their games and focus on enjoyment above money. I'd also throw money at a new company who genuinely needed it to get a headstart and made a good product. But no, I'm completely against the idea of people spending so much cash for companies like EA or a giant record label, because frankly they don't need it and the majority of the time their products exist solely to milk cash from you (For example, a shitload of Sims expansions or more recently, a silly Spore parts pack which charged you 1/4 the price of a normal game when it was virtually useless). Companies like that make more than enough money from subscriptions, live shows, conventions and cinema showings.
actually no viewing it is in a legal grey area as there is intent, you don't go to the piratebay and think to yourself "well let me just have a quick look and see what's going on" you go to the piratebay and think "well let's see what's there that i can download"Arcticflame said:
as was pointed out earlier in the thread and using your same example blocking a child porn site would be wrong as simply opening the page isn't illegal but dl'n the pics or uploading any would be illegal.
No. There is no grey area there at all.cleverlymadeup said:
It's not illegal.
It is a reality in australia. If the government gets it's way then my internet will be slowed, and many direct connections blocked due to a heavy handed blanket ban on connections in an attempt to stop "illegal material".RebelRising said:
Suddenly it's not so sensationalistic.
I would like to say piracy isn't stealing. I'm not saying its not illegal and wrong, but it is not theft of a physical nature. It's conceptual theft at best as it does not steal property beyond a possibility, and does not take something away from them in a physical sense.jim_doki said:
Yes, because usually I like to make small talk with drug dealers.Arcticflame said:
Secondly, the 'slippery slope' argument is seeming to make the rounds here. Sorry guys, but that argument isn't always applicable. I guess since the government says how fast you can drive, they'll be telling us how fast we can eat, and how fast we can walk, and how fast we can take showers! OH MY GOD GEORGE ORWELL WAS RIGHT! QUICK, EVERYONE, SCATTER BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT AGENTS FIND YOUUUUUU!
This. I can't believe there are people naive enough to defend thepiratebay.org, seriously people, complain when there are real issues of censorship where freedom of speech is being harmed.jim_doki said:
Defending pirates is only putting you on the same level as them.