Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

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CommanderKirov said:
Populist quotes from "Researches".
The legal definition from where? Mars? Mexico? France? You overlooked such a basic fact -- that laws differ from location to location, and opinions from person to person. Fairly poor for someone who then proceeds to launch into a fervent rant on the issue of objectivity and quality of information. Poor indeed.

As to the line I am quoting in this reply - do show me where I quoted any research. Oh, I forgot. I didn't. That's right. Had your post spent less time asserting a snide sense if superiority, it may have contained some truth. As it stands, you simply spouted a bunch of words you seem to think much of - and little of, if I could add a joke.

If you wish to repost your comment, sans the blatant lies, I'd be happy to read it. If not, your opinion seems moot - far be it from me to take serious a post that I've just shown hollow and full of self-righteousness.

Enjoy your day.
 

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Hive Mind said:
CommanderKirov said:
Populist quotes from "Researches".
The legal definition from where? Mars? Mexico? France? You overlooked such a basic fact -- that laws differ from location to location, and opinions from person to person. Fairly poor for someone who then proceeds to launch into a fervent rant on the issue of objectivity and quality of information. Poor indeed.

As to the line I am quoting in this reply - do show me where I quoted any research. Oh, I forgot. I didn't. That's right. Had your post spent less time asserting a snide sense if superiority, it may have contained some truth. As it stands, you simply spouted a bunch of words you seem to think much of - and little of, if I could add a joke.

If you wish to repost your comment, sans the blatant lies, I'd be happy to read it. If not, your opinion seems moot - far be it from me to take serious a post that I've just shown hollow and full of self-righteousness.

Enjoy your day.

"B) It is a statistical fact that only about 5-10% of rapists are ever charged or convicted and 1 in 6 women in the U.S is raped or has been the victim of an attempted rape, with roughly 50% of rapes going unreported and the average victim being under the age of sixteen."

Want me to quote your original post or will you insult your intelligence by saying that statistical data is not in fact based on research and than used in populist media?

EDIT: Also that is the legal definition from "A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier.". The United States makes me assume it's not Mexican. And reffering to the original incident happening in USA i believe this is relevant.
 

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Sorry I have my first amendment rights regardless of where I am or what activity I am doing. The Constitution doesn't stop at the gates of the school.
 

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Pyro Paul said:
Also, He repaid his debt to society...
why is every one so keen on treating him like a no name criminal even after he did his time?
I find it indescribably sad that you think one can ever repay or repair the damage caused by rape. To pass it off so casually... 'Oh but he has made it up. Let him live a normal life.' Had he not taken from another what can never be returned; harmed another in a way that can never heal; if he had not acted like a plague infested wild dog, then perhaps one could be forgiven.

Rape is a crime that never leaves the victim. So to should it never leave the rapist, as their life is made more difficult for it. In that maybe we can find respite.

I hope your appalling attitude is caused not by arrogance or cold, callous indifference, but by simple disconnection -- that you nor anyone you care for has never had to experience the crime.
 

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CommanderKirov said:
"B) It is a statistical fact that only about 5-10% of rapists are ever charged or convicted and 1 in 6 women in the U.S is raped or has been the victim of an attempted rape, with roughly 50% of rapes going unreported and the average victim being under the age of sixteen."
Actually, similar research has been repeated many times in different countries with similar results, although most actually put conviction rates lower. Those statistics are reasonably well established and well known.

I'm sure you're aware of the scientific concept of repeatability.
 

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Move where? That other high school in the same town? It's not that big. Just pick up the whole family and move to another town and start another job there, at huge cost, breaking off the kids' education mid-year et cetera et cetera to get away from the assailant? Why should they? Why shouldn't he have to move somewhere else, like maybe Alabama or Utah, or maybe Alaska?
I didn't say she should move. I said she should have quit the cheerleading team, if she didn't want to cheer for the guy. Yes, I know that's fucked up. I just don't feel like the court made the wrong decision, even if it was incredibly cold hearted. And when they say ongoing, they hadn't even proven that the guy was guilty yet when he was still playing. Granted, it was probably within their rights to not let him play basketball, but not to kick him out of school for a crime he had not been convicted of. Being accused of rape does not make you a rapist in the eyes of the law. Was he still allowed to attend high school after he was convicted? Or play basketball there?
 

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Sorry I have my first amendment rights regardless of where I am or what activity I am doing. The Constitution doesn't stop at the gates of the school.
You also don't have the right to be a cheerleader, it is a privilege and if you are not going to do what cheerleaders do, you are no longer a cheerleader
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
Shoqiyqa said:
Move where? That other high school in the same town? It's not that big. Just pick up the whole family and move to another town and start another job there, at huge cost, breaking off the kids' education mid-year et cetera et cetera to get away from the assailant? Why should they? Why shouldn't he have to move somewhere else, like maybe Alabama or Utah, or maybe Alaska?
I didn't say she should move. I said she should have quit the cheerleading team, if she didn't want to cheer for the guy. Yes, I know that's fucked up. I just don't feel like the court made the wrong decision, even if it was incredibly cold hearted. And when they say ongoing, they hadn't even proven that the guy was guilty yet when he was still playing. Granted, it was probably within their rights to not let him play basketball, but not to kick him out of school for a crime he had not been convicted of. Being accused of rape does not make you a rapist in the eyes of the law. Was he still allowed to attend high school after he was convicted? Or play basketball there?
He was never convicted of rape, the charges were dropped
 

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Oh for the love of all things right in this world!

Who in their right mind would force a fine on a girl that got raped? Even more so the money goes to the man that raped her!

Sure she didn't do her job, but the justification is sound! The coach sounds like a real stuck up swine and I hope he feels VERY bad, or gets fired.

Texans, this article only reinforces my dislike and borderline hate with the colonials.
 

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evilthecat said:
CommanderKirov said:
"B) It is a statistical fact that only about 5-10% of rapists are ever charged or convicted and 1 in 6 women in the U.S is raped or has been the victim of an attempted rape, with roughly 50% of rapes going unreported and the average victim being under the age of sixteen."
Actually, similar research has been repeated many times in different countries with similar results, although most actually put conviction rates lower. Those statistics are reasonably well established and well known.

I'm sure you're aware of the scientific concept of repeatability.
Yes. Yet I doubt that most of the statistic remember to mention that "Prison" rapes are also taken in account and in majority of the countries Unverified Rapes consist largely of ones registered at same sex prisons.
 

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slowpoke999 said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.
That's what I would consider doing. That's fucked up. what kind of backward ass people are they? Fuck em all


I'm a Texan. I live here. Born and raised. So please feel free to call me out when I speak about the residents of Liverpool or Melbourne as if I've ever been there.

I thought this story sounded skewed and inflammatory, and I know that journalists in every country sometimes have fantastical notions of other nations (I remember reading an American article about a Londoner arrested for making fun of an Indian waiter, for example), so I googled Rakheem Bolton and checked out the first several hits. Most were blogs filled with conjecture and invective. While, if all of this is true, I would agree with the opinion of the journalist who used asshole metaphors to describe the superintendent, triple use of the word "sphincteriffic" automatically disqualifies one from sitting at the professional journalist table. So none of this should be taken as gospel. I also couldn't find anything else stating that the Supreme Court heard the case.

It is true, there are TV shows about Texas football for a reason: most of us are obsessed with the sport, even at the high school level. And local football stars do enjoy a (completely undeserved) high level of celebrity in some communities, so some of the more crooked/lazy/inept school faculty and city hall members will usually be very complacent in helping them slip something under the rug.

However, I find it odd that all of these blogs assume that she was raped, when in our court system and in yours, innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land, in principal if not always in practice. If he did rape her I'd be happy knowing that he would spend the rest of his life in prison, but we don't know that he raped her. We only know that these blogs say he did, and that they concede through their wording that this is an assumption.

Also, if we could get a constitutional amendment removing personhood from corporations, school districts, and anyone who is not an actual person, then maybe in the future school districts won't be able to sue unemployed children. This, of course, only applies if the school district actually counter-sued.
 

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slowpoke999 said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.
Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

Hmmm, well I think your missing some important details here. This is why "Justice Is Blind" so to speak.

Right now the guy isn't a rapist in the eyes of the law, he was able to plea out of it. Given that he's effectively innocent of that accusation, and the cheerleader has a job she agreed to do, there is a lot of legitmacy for thise case. Like it or not the kid IS playing the game, and the cheerleaders are supposed to hype him up, it's their job. To not do so, reflects on the school and it's morale.

What's more, we don't know the details of the case from reading this, all we know is that SHE claims this guy raped her. Given that the charge was pled down, it could very easily be a case where she was claiming rape in a case where she was groped or whatever, which is why the prosection was willing to reduce the charges and go with what amounts to a slap on the wrist. Groping someone being bad, but hardly a full on case of rape with forced sexual contact and so on. I don't know that this is the case, just what the ruling was.

Normally I'd be a bit suspicious given that this is apparently one of those "sports towns" where Jocks are above the law since so much of the school's livelyhood and town economy relies on their athletics, *BUT* this case was apparently looked at by a higher court and apparently thrown out (they refused to hear it) that leads me to believe that there is a bit more to this than we're hearing.

On the surface we can all envision a situation where it's one of those schools where Jocks are allowed to torture nerds, can ignore local laws like speed limits in the surrounding town(s), and cheerleaders are expected to service the sports teams on all levels you can think of. I however get the impression that this is not what we're seeing because unlike a lot of those horror stories, higher authorities DID look at this, and the guys who made the desician to not allow an appeal have to be able to justify that should there be an official inquiry. We have not seen an official inquiry, or any kind of record of their ruling and reasoning, all we have is a news story that is playing the whole "rape" card, when at least legally there is no rape involved. The most the cheerleader can say is that the guy assaulted her and got a slap on the wrist, if she accuses him of rape or makes a show out of that accusation, she's arguably guilty of slander because the court already made a ruling, like it or not.


To put things into perspective, if you went to a party, tried to come onto some girl, maybe brushed up against her, or petted her or whatever, and then got accused of rape, how would you feel about it? Sure, you probably went too far, and it was wrong, but you DID stop yourself and didn't throw her down and force her to have sex or whatever. You go to court, tell your side, get a reduced penelty and take your lumps. However the girl on the receiving end wants her five minutes of fame and insists on her right to basically slander you in large public gatherings for something that wasn't true to the extent she claims, and for which you've paid your penance.

We don't know the details, but we do know the rulings, and overall I can't say this is unfair based on the information presented. The girl violated school policy, that can't be denied. If she can't put personal feelings behind her, then she doesn't belong in a public relations job like a cheerleader. That would be like me in Casino Security (where I used to work) refusing to provide dressing room security or an escort for a celebrity because I thought he was a rapist, murderer, or whatever else, or worse yet wanted to annouce that to passing patrons as I was there. I'd have gotten my butt kicked to the curb at lightspeed, and no court in the land would agree with me being right.
 

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CommanderKirov said:
Yes. Yet I doubt that most of the statistic remember to mention that "Prison" rapes are also taken in account and in majority of the countries Unverified Rapes consist largely of ones registered at same sex prisons.
I'm.. really going to need to see some evidence on that.

I really don't think you have that one right, or can possibly sustain it.
 

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funguy2121 said:
Psychotic-ishSOB said:
slowpoke999 said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.
That's what I would consider doing. That's fucked up. what kind of backward ass people are they? Fuck em all


I'm a Texan. I live here. Born and raised. So please feel free to call me out when I speak about the residents of Liverpool or Melbourne as if I've ever been there.

I thought this story sounded skewed and inflammatory, and I know that journalists in every country sometimes have fantastical notions of other nations (I remember reading an American article about a Londoner arrested for making fun of an Indian waiter, for example), so I googled Rakheem Bolton and checked out the first several hits. Most were blogs filled with conjecture and invective. While, if all of this is true, I would agree with the opinion of the journalist who used asshole metaphors to describe the superintendent, triple use of the word "sphincteriffic" automatically disqualifies one from sitting at the professional journalist table. So none of this should be taken as gospel. I also couldn't find anything else stating that the Supreme Court heard the case.

It is true, there are TV shows about Texas football for a reason: most of us are obsessed with the sport, even at the high school level. And local football stars do enjoy a (completely undeserved) high level of celebrity in some communities, so some of the more crooked/lazy/inept school faculty and city hall members will usually be very complacent in helping them slip something under the rug.

However, I find it odd that all of these blogs assume that she was raped, when in our court system and in yours, innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land, in principal if not always in practice. If he did rape her I'd be happy knowing that he would spend the rest of his life in prison, but we don't know that he raped her. We only know that these blogs say he did, and that they concede through their wording that this is an assumption.

Also, if we could get a constitutional amendment removing personhood from corporations, school districts, and anyone who is not an actual person, then maybe in the future school districts won't be able to sue unemployed children. This, of course, only applies if the school district actually counter-sued.
I'm from Texas also and from my experiences with my fellow football(American) players I would put my money on that POS raping her. By the time I left HS half the team was convicted of some crime and at least 10 of them were arrested for sexual assault but never convicted because of the love of Football in this state. I cannot tell you how many times we had to go pull drunk girls out of parties because our dumbass team mates would take advantage of them.
 

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Psychotic-ishSOB said:
slowpoke999 said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.
That's what I would consider doing. That's fucked up. what kind of backward ass people are they? Fuck em all
They're Texans.