Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist'

[Clankenbeard]

So much anger. Sexual assault is awful. Yes. We all agree. But this story has a huge slant to it. Why? So readers will get emotionally charged about it. I'd say it's working nicely. Here?s another completely unrelated (yeah, right) article by someone else (I just wrote). I hail from Texas in case you were wondering...

SCHOOL VINDICATED AFTER MULTIPLE FRIVOLUOUS LAWSUITS!

After one of the high-school cheerleaders refused to participate in a cheer for a specific basketball player shooting free throws, she was removed from the game. Instead of cheering in unison with the squad she stood, arms folded and silent, drawing great attention from the crowd. She held a personal 4-month-old grudge against the player shooting foul shots and stated that she would never cheer for that player. She was later removed from the squad.

The school refused to reinstate her to the squad, stating that she would not be allowed back on the team unless she was willing to represent the school properly and all of its players. She and her family brought legal action against the school, seeking compensation for her expulsion. Two separate hearings were conducted, both ruling in favor of the school?s decision. An appeal was even filed to hear the case in the Supreme Court which was denied.

In September, 2010 Federal Appeals court upheld the two lower court decisions. To cover the school?s legal expenses, the cheerleader?s family was ordered to pay for the weighty court costs. The frivolous lawsuit had racked up an impressive $45,000 worth of debt for the school, defending its stance on school unity and pride. With the court case settled, the school can finally get back to the business of teaching children.

 

[CommanderKirov]

"B) It is a statistical fact that only about 5-10% of rapists are ever charged or convicted and 1 in 6 women in the U.S is raped or has been the victim of an attempted rape, with roughly 50% of rapes going unreported and the average victim being under the age of sixteen."

Want me to quote your original post or will you insult your intelligence by saying that statistical data is not in fact based on research and than used in populist media?

EDIT: Also that is the legal definition from "A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States. By John Bouvier.". The United States makes me assume it's not Mexican. And reffering to the original incident happening in USA i believe this is relevant.

Oh dear... You've put your foot in it now.

Where and from whom was I apparently quoting? Oh, right. I wasn't. I was stating statics. I gave no source and offered no reference from whom (if anyone) the quote had come from. You assume much indeed.

I'm sorry, while I was asleep did the U.S definition of a crime become the entire world's? No? Well I suppose your edit added nothing to the discussion at all and did equally little to combat my previous comment -- your oversight as to the varying definitions of crime.

Also, as an aside:

Based on research and than used in populist media?

The correct term is "Then," not "Than" - it is a common mistake.

Insulting one's intelligence does seem to be occurring, only perhaps not in the way you would have hoped as you slung mud in my direction.

And with this last post I move myself from discussion. In the first part of post you showed you are mindlessly repeating formulas not having an idea if the claims they make are correct or simply "Chinese Whispers".

I believe that since the case we are discussing occured in US it was fit to quote US laws on rape. I suggest you go search all the other law dictonaries from different countries. If you find a definition of rape differing from the one claimed above please post it with correct refference, than I'll believe in your wild pointless claims and admit mistake.

You are accurate in pointing out my mistake (The only issue you have factual evidence on). I apologize that my grasp of English grammar and vocabulary is quite poor but as I pointed out previously on this site. I had to self-teach myself this language. Yet it still does not excuse my mistake. I'll do a better job in correcting myself in the future.


But as I claimed at the start of this post. I remove myself from this conversation because your bogus argumentation can be compared to that of a child ("Why?" "Because"). If later on I will see improvement in the quality of your reasoning or a correction in your attitude I will possibly return to engage you in something that contributes to the actual discussion. As for now, I believe this is below my level. And hopefully yours as well.

Respectfully, Kirov.

 

[Pyro Paul]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.

Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

I can't really think over the roaring sound of fuck filling my head right now. It's one thing to not grant her compensation, I can agree with that. If you don't want to cheer, you can be kicked of the squad, but the fact that "justice" is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked up in this country that a judge can make her pay the school is absolutely infuriating. I kinda want to punch someone in the face right now. Over and over. Until they are dead.

it costs $250 to file an Appeal.

It may cost a school up of $10,000 to defend themselves in court.
and what happens if the school wins?

nothing. that school doesn't get paid a single cent and the money it spent to just defend itself simply disappears into fees and lawyers.

she appealed this case some 4 times..
thats $1000 for her to go to court...
thats in excess of $40,000 to the school just to defend itself.

 

[Hive Mind]

funny words

Once again your posts continue to give me a chuckle. For that I thank you.

 

[Bloodysoldier]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

A teenage girl who was dropped from her high school's cheer leading squad after refusing to chant the name of a basketball player who had sexually assaulted her must pay compensation of $45,000 (£27,300) after losing a legal challenge against the decision.

Normally stuff like this makes me rage so hard I am unable to type,this time I am sort of in a transcended state of pure rage so I am able to coherently type.It happened in the US in Texas btw.

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

Hang on a minute what was she suing for?

I mean I totally understand that she doesn't want to applaud a guy who raped her, but her job is to cheer all the players. If she can't do that job then acting out is a dangerous game as it IS grounds for dismissal.

If she has VERY FUCKING GOOD REASON no to cheer one of the players it's not enough to just refuse to follow the routine, that will lose you your job even if you have a good reason. The appropriate response is give the ultimatum:

"either that rapist moves to another team - so I never have to cheer him - or I leave the cheering squad"

She should have convinced her fellow cheerleaders to strike/boycott till they packed this rapist off to some other team, that might have achieved something.

HS has been given terrible legal advice, there is no way the court is going to rule this dismissal as liable as it would effectively mean that schools will be forced to change their performance routines to accommodate grievances and vendettas. Now she has to pay for her lawyers and court costs and all that.

Lawsuits are not the way to solve issue like this, I know Texans are going to hate this but the cheerleaders should have learned the power of activism, protesting and strikes. If the entire Cheerleading team had got behind HS then they may have gotten this rapist kicked off.

Litigation was a mistake and surprise surprise the lawyers walk away with $45'000.

Actually I find you to be a reasonable person and do not hate you, reading through this thread I am offended by most of these posters due to they're inability to read. Then again all other states school systems are behind Texas (i.e. Texas leads the educational system by the nose(example: see those high school books your reading, you can thank Texas for them) )

Most of the posters are immature, unintelligent dicks who have no grasp on how the law works and has no ability in reading and comprehension.

I thank you sir for being a nose above such hate filled comments and applaud you for it.
But as I state before I am very offended by others.

 

[drisky]

]I'm from Texas also and from my experiences with my fellow football(American) players I would put my money on that POS raping her. By the time I left HS half the team was convicted of some crime and at least 10 of them were arrested for sexual assault but never convicted because of the love of Football in this state. I cannot tell you how many times we had to go pull drunk girls out of parties because our dumbass team mates would take advantage of them.

Its a terrible culture of God worship of High School athletes. It down right deplorable. They let a game override the most basic of human ethics.

 

[Ignatz_Zwakh]

*Face-Palm*

Gads...I shouldn't be surprised..and yet I still am ever surprised by humanity's ability to be completely cruel and pathetic. Even worse is that she LOST in bloody court. Just fucking baffling.

 

[funguy2121]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

So,what are the Escapists feelings on this,I consider myself level headed and understand crazy shit happens in this world,but if I had a daughter who got raped and I had to pay the rapists legal fees,I think I would instead use that money to buy guns and ammo and go postal on the judge and rapist.This is if I was 100% certain my daughter got raped.

That's what I would consider doing. That's fucked up. what kind of backward ass people are they? Fuck em all

I'm a Texan. I live here. Born and raised. So please feel free to call me out when I speak about the residents of Liverpool or Melbourne as if I've ever been there.

I thought this story sounded skewed and inflammatory, and I know that journalists in every country sometimes have fantastical notions of other nations (I remember reading an American article about a Londoner arrested for making fun of an Indian waiter, for example), so I googled Rakheem Bolton and checked out the first several hits. Most were blogs filled with conjecture and invective. While, if all of this is true, I would agree with the opinion of the journalist who used asshole metaphors to describe the superintendent, triple use of the word "sphincteriffic" automatically disqualifies one from sitting at the professional journalist table. So none of this should be taken as gospel. I also couldn't find anything else stating that the Supreme Court heard the case.

It is true, there are TV shows about Texas football for a reason: most of us are obsessed with the sport, even at the high school level. And local football stars do enjoy a (completely undeserved) high level of celebrity in some communities, so some of the more crooked/lazy/inept school faculty and city hall members will usually be very complacent in helping them slip something under the rug.

However, I find it odd that all of these blogs assume that she was raped, when in our court system and in yours, innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land, in principal if not always in practice. If he did rape her I'd be happy knowing that he would spend the rest of his life in prison, but we don't know that he raped her. We only know that these blogs say he did, and that they concede through their wording that this is an assumption.

Also, if we could get a constitutional amendment removing personhood from corporations, school districts, and anyone who is not an actual person, then maybe in the future school districts won't be able to sue unemployed children. This, of course, only applies if the school district actually counter-sued.

I'm from Texas also and from my experiences with my fellow football(American) players I would put my money on that POS raping her. By the time I left HS half the team was convicted of some crime and at least 10 of them were arrested for sexual assault but never convicted because of the love of Football in this state. I cannot tell you how many times we had to go pull drunk girls out of parties because our dumbass team mates would take advantage of them.

Hey, I'm no more a stranger to jock douche-baggery than you are. But we can't just assume this guy's a rapist because he's an athlete and happens to play the most popular sport in the state(s?).

 

[Tsaba]

Somehow, I feel a lot of people didn't read the link, I feel nothing for her since her family decided to sue the crap out of the school for "compensation" (money), and now she has to pay legal fees for a frivolous law suit... she's a cheer leader, she volunteered for the position, she acts as a "voice" for support from the school, she either does her "job" or she gets "fired." Its a sad story, but, I'm going to side with the law on this one.

I see things wrong with both parties, but, the link is pretty darn one sided and I don't feel like expressing my rage at one party until I learn more on this matter.

 

[natster43]

Well all I can say is fucking hell Texas.

 

[BlackWidower]

Wait, if he did that, why would he still be going to the same school, much less outside the four walls of a prison? The man pleaded guilty, so we know he did it. So why didn't they try to get a restraining order? How big a deal would it have been for him to go to a different school?

 

[Clankenbeard]

Sorry I have my first amendment rights regardless of where I am or what activity I am doing. The Constitution doesn't stop at the gates of the school.

Ah, but there's a time and place:
1. The school isn't going to let you be on the chess team if you decide to speak your mind all through somebody else's match.
2. Nor will they let you be in drama if you are going to say whatever lines you choose, when you choose to.

You have the right to say things. But your choice of what, when and where may bring consequences for whether or not you get the opportunity again. Society's rules may govern the delivery of your constitutional rights. If you join drama or chess club, you agree to play by that organization's rules.

 

[JMeganSnow]

I find the reporting in this article to be highly suspect and extremely biased. Note that the rape charge was *dropped*, yet it's not explained WHY it was dropped. The article just assumes that everything the girl says about the "sexual assault" is 100% true. If she's so opposed to this guy, why did she join the cheerleading squad instead of switching schools or whatever? And why did she seek monetary "compensation" in court instead of seeking to be *reinstated* on the cheerleading team? Were other avenues of negotiation with the school pursued before a lawsuit was brought?

Opinions and vague assertions are rife in this article but facts are scanty. I wouldn't feel informed enough to give any useful opinion on this topic whatsoever.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

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I would not only not pay those fees, I would launch a nationwide campaign to get them reversed. Fuck that shit.

 

[Hive Mind]

words

Oh. No. Mistakes are fine. Drop a cup? It's okay. Lock us out of the house? Oh well. It happens. Ruin my new shirt? Damn. It's okay though. Mistakes happen. You don't accidentally force someone to have sex with you, however. There is no 'opps'; it's a calculated choice. Hell, I'd gladly end the life of a rapist with my own hands. I see no foul in removing a flea from a dog.

I guess we must disagree.

 

[Karilas]

Also, if the person who raped your daughter, was back in the same school as her, wouldn't you see about moving her to a different school?

No. I'd seriously consider having the raping scumbag removed from the mortal coil, but instead arrange for him to be raped by several big angry steroid users. I'd definitely have photos of his snivelling rape-face plastered all over the school.

 

[subtlefuge]

WHAT........ THE ........... FUCK!!??!! she now owe's the school 45 grand because she wouldnt aplaud her RAPIST!?! WTF is up with texas and there wholehearted, Complete and utter devotion to high school level sports!?... Fukin retards

It's business.

I think it's fucked up, but it's true. My old high school had a student body of 2500 people. Our stadium had a capacity of 17,000 people, and it filled up every week. That's 17,000 x 10 (tickets) + 200,000 (concessions) = 370,000 per week. Multiply that by 8 home games, and you have a multi-million dollar business.

It's sick, but it wouldn't be different anywhere else.

 

[CommanderKirov]

Yes. Yet I doubt that most of the statistic remember to mention that "Prison" rapes are also taken in account and in majority of the countries Unverified Rapes consist largely of ones registered at same sex prisons.

I'm.. really going to need to see some evidence on that.

I really don't think you have that one right, or can possibly sustain it.

Hmm hits I believe would be a trouble since the article I would have to link to you would be from a Polish magazine detailing Polish take on it.

After some searching HRW in America claims there are about 140.000 inmates raped every year.

Although I'm sorry for not having the data to support the actual percentile value in the USA I was basing my assumptions on the statistic regarding my country, although I'm sure someone could count the value of overall rapes and get the percents right. If your friends actually have the correct statistics or perhaps a link to the site with the data. I would be much obliged if you could direct me to that..