Child suspended for his religious beliefs

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/convert

 

[Skeleon]

I will give you that, but on the same note, we have witness cults brainwashing people. And what is a cult but just a smaller sect on the religious poster board?

Yes, but they actually believe in it (again, except for maybe the higher-ups controlling their followers)! That's the difference I'm trying to point out.

Christianity itself started out as a Jewish cult, too, but people believed (and, of course, still believe) in it.
What I'm trying to say is that I don't care for the religion's size. What matters for it to be "legit" is that people really believe in it.
And I don't mean "legit" positively or negatively in any way.

 

[TheFacelessOne]

Well, I would say its retarded and it shouldn't be allowed, but technically, I guess you still count it as a religion so...

Just ask him to...I don't know. Just don't suspend him.

 

[tiredinnuendo]

Come now, nobody here honestly thinks this kid believes in the FSM.
He just did this to fuck with people.
I'm all for free expression but there are limits.
What, if I decide my religion says I must run around naked, only covered in green paint except for an Indiana Jones-hat, that would suddenly make it right?
Wearing a pirate outfit is bullshit and he's just trying to annoy people.
A real atheist, a person of conviction, wouldn't act that childish.
I get the point of the FSM but all it is, is a little thought experiment that's meant to get religious folks to rethink their position.

first ammendment says yes, it would be right
he's not offending anyone
if he was suspended for shouting out in a pirate accent in class, that would be different

but to stop him wearing the outfit is ridiculous

fucking double standards

I was just going to go with the South Park quote and be on my merry way, but since everyone seems to have missed the point here...

He is not being subjugated for his "religion". He is being suspended for repeatedly making a statement about religion that was disruptive to the classroom environment. It's the same with that retarded "Jedi" thing and all those Scientologists running around.

We get it. You don't believe what some people do. Gotcha. What you're doing isn't clever, it's just unprovoked mockery. And in this case the school did exactly the right thing.

- J

i respectively disagree
i get your point, but the first ammendment still entitles him to express himself

the best course of action from the school wouldve simply been to ignore it
it would wear thin after a while and he'd get bored and start conforming again

but this was honestly the worst way they couldve dealt with it

and if christians are offended by this, then it shows insecurities within their own beliefs

You're respectfully wrong. "Free Speech" does not mean that you can say and/or do whatever you want with no repercussions at any time. He was in school, which is either a state or private institution with its own rules and code of conduct. He broke those rules by creating a disturbance in the name of making a farcical statement. While he is free to dress like a Jackass, they're also free to suspend him for it.

- J

Prove he doesn't believe in it, and also prove why muslim students should be allowed to wear headwear during class despite the rules saying otherwise just because they believe in an imaginary friend that I don't?

If you honestly believe he was doing anything other than pulling a stunt with mockery as his only intent, you're an idiot, and I don't argue with idiots. It's a waste of my effort.

If you don't believe the above, than we have nothing to discuss.

- J

 

[Jedisolo75]

Not any stupider then the other religions I herd of...

They said they suspended him because of his outfit, not because of his religion. His outfit is part of his religion, therefor if they are not discriminating against his religion he should be allowed to come in a pirate costume at school because of his religion.

It's the same as suspending a girl because she wore a Burka to school...

Are you serious? It's a made up religion, nobody really believes in it, the kid was being an ass hat and got punished for it, it's not like taking away a muslim girls burka.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Not that I expect or encourage you to believe in the Big Bang Theory, but your statement makes me curious: were you somehow privy to hard evidence of whatever religion you believe in? Also, your avatar makes me dizzy, lol.

No, it's just that the idea that being created by intelligent design just makes more sense to me. The way everything in the universe just runs like clockwork, I find it hard to believe that it was just accident. Think about the way that everything works... the human body is extremely complex. I just think that there's no way that something that complicated could have been accidentally made.

The human body wasn't made ya noob. It was grown and refined over millions upon millions of years of natural selection. Thats how evolution works. (And yes, we can recreate the idea of bringing life from nothing truly living. Scientists have done many experiments involving amino acids and have come forward with repeatable results)

Pffft, panspermia is much more believable.

/sarcasm

Though I'd like to believe panspermia is true. Then we know that life is out there, not just assume.

Well it didn't have to be brought here from other sources (The life that is) just the materials for life were brought here, got a good zap (In lamens terms) and started that pot cookin!

I believe there could be other life out there. I mean the thought that trillions x trillions x possible infinity galaxies out there are all lifeless is kinda hard for me to believe. Though what constitutes life could possibly defy what we constitute as possible. (Hell, there could be a water planet of Blogs, creatures who communicate solely through farts for all we know >.<) I would be lying if I said we have seen 1% of our galaxy. I would be lying if an entire 200 forum pages could hold enough zeroes to properly display the fraction of the universe we have seen clear enough to pass judgement. *Shrugs* who knows.

But that's just it. We can assume to nearly doubtless proportions, but we don't know for sure. Which makes me glad that I was born when I was- I think this is the age when we'll finally see life in outer space.

Under Ares' ice caps, or in the frozen sea of Titan; who knows.

hehehe communication by flatulence.

Edit:

Fuckin ill people getting special privelages.. I hope they catch some horrible dis-oooooh....

OT: Our police force has two guys wearing turbans due to religious beliefs... if you don't want to take off your turban, find a job that allows hats. Don't ask for, and receive special treatment.

To clarify- medical purposes means like wearing a helmet if you had severe head trauma, or other such examples.

My friends had to wear a bike helmet in p.e. for like two years because he fell from a high branch and landed on the roots that had popped up from the ground.

Yes, ouch.

Oh I understand completely, was just a bit of dark humor. A buddy of mine had an operation to implant a plastic plug in his brain after falling infront of a car (he was drunk). He had to wear those special education helmets for a couple of months until his skull completely healed and to protect the plug from moving until his body had coated it in bioorganic matter. (Speaking of which, off topic, my cat came back last month with a bebe in his neck, doctors say it is 2 cm from his jugular but once his body coated it in that biofilm, not only would it move away, but it would be rendered harmless.. want to kick the fucker who shot him..)

 

[G1eet]

Here's a question: ARE Muslim kids in America allowed to wear burqas? It's a comparison I'm seeing a lot in this thread, but I've never heard of a case in this country where someone tried to bring one to school. I would think that would be terribly disruptive as well. Especially when you consider the lengths a lot of places already go to in order to make sure kids aren't bringing guns and drugs to school.

They are in my school district.

We get at least 2 Islamic exchange students (you know, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, etc.) every year, not to mention the regulars. It's somewhere in the Code of Conduct; I'm just too lazy to dictate it. It's something along the lines of "Students may not wear any headwear during a normal school day, except for religious or medical purposes".

Is that just the headgear (I'm sorry, I don't know the appropriate term), or a full body-covering burqa? I could see allowing a turban or whatever if other kids are allowed to wear hats but how is something that completely hides the wearer NOT disruptive? Besides the obvious issue of possible contraband under there (or even putting a friend in the outfit on the day of a difficult test!), like kids aren't going to be as distracted checking THAT out as looking at pirate boy. I don't care what schools decide, as long as it's evenly enforced.

It is evenly enforced. Our latest Indonesian exchange student wore a tudung for the entire term she was here for.

As for the full burkahs, je ne sais pas. To the best of my knowledge, nobody's ever tried, but I doubt they would refuse the owner from wearing it.

 

[Guitar Gamer]

Uh...... i think the school did a good thing i mean who the hell goes to school dressed as a pirate?

*GAH*!!!
INTOLERANT!!
that is part of his beliefs good sir! it is his right to dress as a pirate!
it's all our right to be able to dress up as pirates any day of the week!
even funerals, especially pirate funerals!

 

[tiredinnuendo]

Come now, nobody here honestly thinks this kid believes in the FSM.
He just did this to fuck with people.
I'm all for free expression but there are limits.
What, if I decide my religion says I must run around naked, only covered in green paint except for an Indiana Jones-hat, that would suddenly make it right?
Wearing a pirate outfit is bullshit and he's just trying to annoy people.
A real atheist, a person of conviction, wouldn't act that childish.
I get the point of the FSM but all it is, is a little thought experiment that's meant to get religious folks to rethink their position.

first ammendment says yes, it would be right
he's not offending anyone
if he was suspended for shouting out in a pirate accent in class, that would be different

but to stop him wearing the outfit is ridiculous

fucking double standards

I was just going to go with the South Park quote and be on my merry way, but since everyone seems to have missed the point here...

He is not being subjugated for his "religion". He is being suspended for repeatedly making a statement about religion that was disruptive to the classroom environment. It's the same with that retarded "Jedi" thing and all those Scientologists running around.

We get it. You don't believe what some people do. Gotcha. What you're doing isn't clever, it's just unprovoked mockery. And in this case the school did exactly the right thing.

- J

i respectively disagree
i get your point, but the first ammendment still entitles him to express himself

the best course of action from the school wouldve simply been to ignore it
it would wear thin after a while and he'd get bored and start conforming again

but this was honestly the worst way they couldve dealt with it

and if christians are offended by this, then it shows insecurities within their own beliefs

You're respectfully wrong. "Free Speech" does not mean that you can say and/or do whatever you want with no repercussions at any time. He was in school, which is either a state or private institution with its own rules and code of conduct. He broke those rules by creating a disturbance in the name of making a farcical statement. While he is free to dress like a Jackass, they're also free to suspend him for it.

- J

did you even read my post? whatever

if the school was a uniform school, then fair enough
but if students are free to wear their own clothes then he broke no rules and was simply seeking attention which would've been dealt with best by simply ignoring him

we dont know enough information really
but assuming he wasnt making a disruptance besides wearing a pirate costume, and the school allows student's own clothes, then they were in the wrong

Here's the thing. Acting like a jackass is acting like a jackass. The article says he'd been repeatedly talked to about not wearing that outfit because it was causing a disturbance, and he chose to break the rules (again) anyway. He had this coming, and no posturing this as some sort of religious intolerance is going to make it anything less than what it was: a school ensuring its ability to keep discipline within its student body.

Anyway, I've said enough here. I'm out. Everyone who goes on about how this kid is some sort of hero really needs to think that over a bit. Making fun of religious people just for the sake of doing so doesn't actually make you as cool as you all seem to think it does.

- J

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Not any stupider then the other religions I herd of...

They said they suspended him because of his outfit, not because of his religion. His outfit is part of his religion, therefor if they are not discriminating against his religion he should be allowed to come in a pirate costume at school because of his religion.

It's the same as suspending a girl because she wore a Burka to school...

Are you serious? It's a made up religion, nobody really believes in it, the kid was being an ass hat and got punished for it, it's not like taking away a muslim girls burka.

Prove he doesn't believe it. And prove the religion wrong has it has actually gathered some followers, and once it has enough, WILL be registered AND recognized as a real organized religion. If the "Religion of BOB" can become a real religion, so can this be treated as such.

 

[Valine]

I don't think they were thinking of material gain wayyy back in 400 B.C.E.

What about the control of the masses? Did you forget that reason - I could see why you might want to if you're coming from your worldview seeing as "religion is the opiate of the masses" as Marx put it.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Come now, nobody here honestly thinks this kid believes in the FSM.
He just did this to fuck with people.
I'm all for free expression but there are limits.
What, if I decide my religion says I must run around naked, only covered in green paint except for an Indiana Jones-hat, that would suddenly make it right?
Wearing a pirate outfit is bullshit and he's just trying to annoy people.
A real atheist, a person of conviction, wouldn't act that childish.
I get the point of the FSM but all it is, is a little thought experiment that's meant to get religious folks to rethink their position.

first ammendment says yes, it would be right
he's not offending anyone
if he was suspended for shouting out in a pirate accent in class, that would be different

but to stop him wearing the outfit is ridiculous

fucking double standards

I was just going to go with the South Park quote and be on my merry way, but since everyone seems to have missed the point here...

He is not being subjugated for his "religion". He is being suspended for repeatedly making a statement about religion that was disruptive to the classroom environment. It's the same with that retarded "Jedi" thing and all those Scientologists running around.

We get it. You don't believe what some people do. Gotcha. What you're doing isn't clever, it's just unprovoked mockery. And in this case the school did exactly the right thing.

- J

i respectively disagree
i get your point, but the first ammendment still entitles him to express himself

the best course of action from the school wouldve simply been to ignore it
it would wear thin after a while and he'd get bored and start conforming again

but this was honestly the worst way they couldve dealt with it

and if christians are offended by this, then it shows insecurities within their own beliefs

You're respectfully wrong. "Free Speech" does not mean that you can say and/or do whatever you want with no repercussions at any time. He was in school, which is either a state or private institution with its own rules and code of conduct. He broke those rules by creating a disturbance in the name of making a farcical statement. While he is free to dress like a Jackass, they're also free to suspend him for it.

- J

did you even read my post? whatever

if the school was a uniform school, then fair enough
but if students are free to wear their own clothes then he broke no rules and was simply seeking attention which would've been dealt with best by simply ignoring him

we dont know enough information really
but assuming he wasnt making a disruptance besides wearing a pirate costume, and the school allows student's own clothes, then they were in the wrong

Here's the thing. Acting like a jackass is acting like a jackass. The article says he'd been repeatedly talked to about not wearing that outfit because it was causing a disturbance, and he chose to break the rules (again) anyway. He had this coming, and no posturing this as some sort of religious intolerance is going to make it anything less than what it was: a school ensuring its ability to keep discipline within its student body.

Anyway, I've said enough here. I'm out. Everyone who goes on about how this kid is some sort of hero really needs to think that over a bit. Making fun of religious people just for the sake of doing so doesn't actually make you as cool as you all seem to think it does.

- J

You have failed to prove that he doesn't actually believe in it, in fact, you only have helped to support his case by pointing out he has done this multiple times. Also, should a muslim girl remove her burka because I find it disruptive? Same goes for crosses, turbans, drawings, pictures, etc.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

And why can't he believe it? It's okay for someone to wear a cross that represents a invisible bearded man who lives in a cloud, punishes those who go against his orders that he had a man write down for him and so forth? Same concept goes to muslim religion. They should be suspended for wearing headwear during class.

He can believe it but I doubt he does. That's all I'm saying!
I know you're trying to say "everything has the same value" but that's not fully true. A religion gains it's value as a religion through faith so unless he really believes this stuff, he is just trying to be a rebel and make a statement.

Again, read what I wrote: If he really believes, he should still not wear a fully stereotypical pirate outfit (because it disrupts classes) but he should be allowed to wear pirate-type clothing to compromise with his beliefs.

If he really believed then, yes, his religion however wacky, would be just as valuable as any other. But I have no reason to assume that he does really believe in it seeing as this "religion" was created to point out logical fallacies in other religions, not become an actual religion itself.

I have no reason to believe that any religion is serious and that people are just following it to get attention and friends and the pastors follow it for easy money and to feel control... Prove thats not true and that people who claim faith aren't just lying for attention and to fit in.

This behavior is actually worse than trolling.

"He doesn't buy my bullshit. Quick, I must find a way to publically root him out in order to destroy his credibility! HE'S A TROLL!!!!" - Translation of text written by Cheeze Pavilion

I didn't say you were a troll. I said you were worse than one. At least trolls bring in funny pictures and say wacky stuff. The only thing that will come of what you're doing is a boring, probably flametastic end to all productive discussion.

You are honestly telling us you actually believe what you just wrote? You are really in doubt as to whether anyone is sincere in their religious beliefs?

Yep, because no one could be that retarded to believe in imaginary friends at an adult age without brain damage, need for personal gain, or being brainwashed. I refuse to believe humanity is that stupid. So go ahead, ban burkas, turbans, crosses, religious references of ANY sort from schools. Go on.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

You know, if I went to school in a priest's habit, I'D probably get suspended and you all would be on the side of the school. What, pirates make it okay?

But I think that people should be able to wear whatever they want as long as it's not profane or disgusting.

*snaps fingers* You got it right. Sadly the escapist is even more anti-theist than last year. We (religious people, your post makes me believe that you are religious) can only hope that the moderators will do something about this.
(Ok, admittedly they have done something because I noticed a decline in anti-theist flamer population last month.)

Well, that certainly seems to be the case. Halo flaming seems to be falling off a bit, but religious intolerance is in full swing as usual. I'm honestly surprised by the differences in people's reactions to any situation when the word "religion" is inserted. You could take the exact same news story, change a few words around to imply the presence of Christian/Catholic faith, then post it on The Escapist. The reception (I believe) would be wildly different in that case, which goes to show that people tend to only support like-minded individuals, regardless of any more serious issues (as with the recent anti-smoking topics around here, where I've come across some pretty harsh and rather discriminatory opinions. Some people seem to think that intolerance is alright as long as it's a popular enough hate figure).

Obviously some basic decency laws need to be observed at school, but I don't see the harm in letting kids wear what they want. In some of the schools in my area, camo clothes have been outlawed. I think this is stupid. You don't instantly become a highly-trained marine when you wear it, for goodness sake! And the kids don't have more "attitude" when wearing camo than they would wearing gangsta or rap attire (I believe that was the moronic reason given for the ban-that the clothes are "violent," an opinion which is idiotic).

Edit: And regarding the big pile of religion-related bile which is currently passing for a discussion, I was under the impression that the Church of the FSM was created by Atheists for Atheists for the express purpose of satire. A person who believes in a satire... That's like the guy who thinks Jonathon Swift actually wanted to eat babies. I'm pretty sure you could put every single member of the Church of the FSM under oath in open court and they'd all swear they don't believe he(she?) actually exists.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

I don't think they were thinking of material gain wayyy back in 400 B.C.E.

What about the control of the masses? Did you forget that reason - I could see why you might want to if you're coming from your worldview seeing as "religion is the opiate of the masses" as Marx put it.

1. Quote fail. XD Yuo gave me someone elses text >.<
2. Brainwashing is seen in cults all the time, why do people find it hard to believe it is true when religion is nothing but a very largely followed cult.

 

[The Austin]

That kid is going to hell.